Happy Mother's Day! (in the UK) When is it in your country?

Clammypollack comments on Mar 31, 2019:

May 12 in the US

Naomi replies on Mar 31, 2019:

Thank you. You're so kind! X

I WANT TO CHANGE THE IDENTITY POLITICS NARRATIVE!!!! We all know that identity politics sucks, yet ...

RMSPT comments on Mar 31, 2019:

Turn off the news. Try a one month detox. See what happens. These problems are magnified by companies profiting off fear and outrage. Get face to face time with neighbors and your community. You will find this shit disappears.

Naomi replies on Mar 31, 2019:

That's the thing. It's not gonna go away unless we do something about it, but we just don't know how. Meanwhile, we can see the cancer spreading fast. It's very frustrating.

I WANT TO CHANGE THE IDENTITY POLITICS NARRATIVE!!!! We all know that identity politics sucks, yet ...

SpaceWillie2000 comments on Mar 31, 2019:

Take one day a week and try to see things from someone else's point of view. Don't act on those thoughts or ideas, because if they're wrong you'll wind up harming the process more than helping. What we can do is take a real look at what is being done. Real laws, look at bill numbers and ...

Naomi replies on Mar 31, 2019:

Thank you. You're always so reasonable and cool-headed. :) Don't get me wrong, no matter how frustrated I may be inside, I'm not gonna go out and behave like a SJW! Maybe I'll go and binge-eat chocolate - that's as far I go. LOL

I WANT TO CHANGE THE IDENTITY POLITICS NARRATIVE!!!! We all know that identity politics sucks, yet ...

StrykerWolfe comments on Mar 31, 2019:

I"m going to disagree with the general tone of the replies below, in that I don't see a solution in our side learning more facts, or just tossing the whole idea of emotions in politics. We already have the facts, and have had them for quite some time now, so that won't solve anything. Emotions ...

Naomi replies on Mar 31, 2019:

Thank you for feeling my frustration! This really is a billion dollar question.

I WANT TO CHANGE THE IDENTITY POLITICS NARRATIVE!!!! We all know that identity politics sucks, yet ...

MADcHATTER comments on Mar 31, 2019:

This is the question. It is a sad rejoinder that Identity Politics has buried itself like a tick into the skin of Diversity over the last generation. What started out as an idea that we needed to "Celebrate" our diversity...which is a splendid principle of moral pedagogy. But it quickly turned into ...

Naomi replies on Mar 31, 2019:

Education! I'm all for that, but it takes time, perhaps too much time. Plus, I feel the damage has already been done to many young minds. You're right about how the ideology came about - those, who were indoctrinated when they were students, are now teachers and lecturers and executives, and with their authorities, they continue to spread the disease. The UK government is introducing LGBT education in September as part of the national curriculum, which is intended for children as young as four! Many parents feel very uneasy, if not strongly against it, but it is politically correct to deliver such a program. Even child psychologists are strangely quiet.

I WANT TO CHANGE THE IDENTITY POLITICS NARRATIVE!!!! We all know that identity politics sucks, yet ...

ViviMack comments on Mar 31, 2019:

Learn a few facts so you can present a credible argument when the situation arises (eg the myth of the Gender Pay Gap; Black on black crime is greater than white on black, etc- all the stats are out there). Other than that, just be responsible for your own values and language, and when it's...

Naomi replies on Mar 31, 2019:

Yeah, but, yeah, but, yeah, but... Not everyone is as intelligent, eloquent and patient as you are. What if you cannot convey yourself in sophisticated words in a convincing manner or the person you're trying to talk to keeps talking over you and calling you a racist, Islamophobe, etc.?

I WANT TO CHANGE THE IDENTITY POLITICS NARRATIVE!!!! We all know that identity politics sucks, yet ...

SpikeTalon comments on Mar 31, 2019:

Just say forget about political parties and go independent?

Naomi replies on Mar 31, 2019:

Thank you, but I don't know how!!!!

I WANT TO CHANGE THE IDENTITY POLITICS NARRATIVE!!!! We all know that identity politics sucks, yet ...

SpikeTalon comments on Mar 31, 2019:

Just say forget about political parties and go independent?

Naomi replies on Mar 31, 2019:

I mean more like changing our mindset through daily activities. Do you think it's possible not to be so conscious of each other's identity and of how politically correctly we're behaving? That kind of things.

Jesse Lee Peterson! How is he perceived in America?

purdyday comments on Mar 30, 2019:

Thank you for sharing this personality, will definitely listen to some.of his other stuff. While listening to this clip, and cringing at times, my ears perked up when he said "white people, you gotta have white babies, get married and have white babies, cause if you give up, it's over for this ...

Naomi replies on Mar 30, 2019:

I'm glad that you have discovered Jesse Lee Peterson. When you hear him say things like white people need to make more white babies, he may give the impression that he is an ethno-nationalist or some sort, but then you will soon find what he actually means by that when he also says that there is no racism. Whilst he doesn't mince words, there is always something profound behind his words. We have a very similar problem in the UK; we have a Muslim community and it is growing rapidly, especially in big cities like London, Birmingham, etc. Once I heard an old English man say "this WAS England.". These three words tell you so much about what is going on in the UK. Plus, Islam is a problematic religion and the UK government is so politically correct that Islam shall not be criticized - madness. The British society is ever more divided than integrated, and I blame identity politics. I wish I could be more optimistic. Anyway, enjoy the rest of your weekend. x

Jesse Lee Peterson! How is he perceived in America?

SpaceWillie2000 comments on Mar 29, 2019:

Love that guy. He only dips in to troll mode when people really deserve it. I used to follow him religeously until I leveled up with some ancient philosophy and constitution classes. Still just as entertaining as any of the rest of them though.

Naomi replies on Mar 30, 2019:

Thank you for the good explanation! I knew there was something profound behind JLP's words. Enjoy the rest of your weekend. :)

Jesse Lee Peterson! How is he perceived in America?

jasonc65 comments on Mar 30, 2019:

I find him boring most of the time. He had on black hebrew israelites https://youtu.be/xg97LQQF354

Naomi replies on Mar 30, 2019:

Yes, I watched this before. I can't put my finger on their concept, to be honest.

Jesse Lee Peterson! How is he perceived in America?

plebeian_lobster comments on Mar 29, 2019:

I honestly haven't even heard of him.

Naomi replies on Mar 30, 2019:

He's a breath of fresh air. He is actually a reverend, and although I'm not from a religious background, I agree with him on many points. Pick a few short video clips on YouTube, and see what you think. Many "savage moments" are funny.

Jesse Lee Peterson! How is he perceived in America?

RobBlair comments on Mar 29, 2019:

I'm gonna be nationalistic here: Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, Candace Owens, and yes, even Jordan Peterson's brother here, Jesse Lee - our blacks are better. http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-11-02.html

Naomi replies on Mar 30, 2019:

You know, Jordan Peterson and Jesse Lee Peterson are very different characters and from very different backgrounds, yet don't you find it amazing that their views often resonate with one another?

Jesse Lee Peterson! How is he perceived in America?

SpaceWillie2000 comments on Mar 29, 2019:

Love that guy. He only dips in to troll mode when people really deserve it. I used to follow him religeously until I leveled up with some ancient philosophy and constitution classes. Still just as entertaining as any of the rest of them though.

Naomi replies on Mar 30, 2019:

Tell me - when JLP says "forgive your mother for what she's done to you" or something along those lines, what does he mean by that exactly? Is he talking about what mothers are like in the black community in America? Are they particularly controlling or something (not all, not all, not all, but most)?

Jesse Lee Peterson! How is he perceived in America?

Scanderbeg comments on Mar 29, 2019:

Beeeeetaaaa Jesse the " SLUT MAKER" If you pay attention to Jesse, you will find out that he is consistent and doesnt change. Even if you disagree with him, you have to admire his consistency. He is entertaining and provocative, touching subjects that no one would even dare to even think about....

Naomi replies on Mar 30, 2019:

I agree. He's strong that way. When he says things like "it was a big mistake that women were given the voting right", it's shocking, but after following him for some time, I've learnt that while he doesn't mice words, there is normally something profound behind those words. He is a lot more knowledgeable than he lets on ("I'm black and slow." lol).

It's hard work to be a hipster! [youtube.com]

Phrankhs comments on Mar 29, 2019:

"If you really want to experience nonconformity, wear a MAGA hat"

Naomi replies on Mar 29, 2019:

Um...fighting... with a hat...? Only joking! LOL

Jesse Lee Peterson! How is he perceived in America?

stevahdabevah comments on Mar 29, 2019:

He is ok i agree with him on most subjects but he asks alot of leading questions for guests he doesn't agree with it's a lil much.

Naomi replies on Mar 29, 2019:

I know what you mean. The way he goes like: "Do you love black people?" "I love everybody." "Do you love black people?" "I've just answered your question - I love everybody." "I asked you a question - do you love black people?", and so on.

Jesse Lee Peterson! How is he perceived in America?

FrankZeleniuk comments on Mar 29, 2019:

I'm from Canada but I'll throw in my 2 cents. He's ah-mazing!

Naomi replies on Mar 29, 2019:

No. Just a guess.

It's hard work to be a hipster! [youtube.com]

Phrankhs comments on Mar 29, 2019:

"If you really want to experience nonconformity, wear a MAGA hat"

Naomi replies on Mar 29, 2019:

You'll get attacked, then!

Jesse Lee Peterson! How is he perceived in America?

FrankZeleniuk comments on Mar 29, 2019:

I'm from Canada but I'll throw in my 2 cents. He's ah-mazing!

Naomi replies on Mar 29, 2019:

Hope you are not "BETA male"! LOL

Jesse Lee Peterson! How is he perceived in America?

RobBlair comments on Mar 29, 2019:

I'm gonna be nationalistic here: Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, Candace Owens, and yes, even Jordan Peterson's brother here, Jesse Lee - our blacks are better. http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-11-02.html

Naomi replies on Mar 29, 2019:

And "Great White Hope!", he shouts. LOL

Jesse Lee Peterson! How is he perceived in America?

plebeian_lobster comments on Mar 29, 2019:

I honestly haven't even heard of him.

Naomi replies on Mar 29, 2019:

Fair enough. Thanks.

Poverty! What is it?

Mama83 comments on Mar 28, 2019:

I know what you mean! Drives me nuts! Our society seems to longer know about savings, needs vs. Wants, prioratizing, budgeting, etc... whats scarey is that the next generation of politicians and community leaders will likely severely lack these skills and mind frames. In one way I agree with...

Naomi replies on Mar 29, 2019:

In the UK, the welfare system and the healthcare system are good. They're supported by tax payers and the services are provided free at the point of delivery. You can imagine that some people take the advantage of and abuse the systems. Too much free stuff seems to make people lazy. They go on about their rights and entitlements but never about taking responsibilities for their own actions and suffering their own consequences.

Poverty! What is it?

militantMom comments on Mar 28, 2019:

Why are so many 'poor' people in North America overweight or obese?

Naomi replies on Mar 29, 2019:

I once watched a documentary about poor people's diet, where a mother says she can't afford food for herself, so she sits at the meal table, smoking and drinking (???), while her children eat a pile of pasta, fries, etc., basically lots of carbohydrates - cheap and filling. Quantity rather than quality, which makes them fat and unfit.

Poverty! What is it?

Buddy comments on Mar 29, 2019:

Welfare is the problem. Some need it but most are using it for there only income and the illegals are using it off the charts . Baby after baby and so are Americans but it’s Americans money, it’s not right . There is no poor unless you create your own downfall ,Not here in America. It’s ...

Naomi replies on Mar 29, 2019:

I totally agree! People insist so much on their rights and entitlements, but where are their responsibilities? In the UK, the welfare system and the healthcare system are very good, so much so that there are always some who abuse the systems. Too much free stuff makes people lazy, perhaps. Also, I think that it's high time that traditional values were appreciated again - the traditional family structure of father, mother and children, that kind of values.

Right, Karl Marx haters (and supporters)! LOL I was intrigued by Marx's quote "Religion is the opium...

Wreath comments on Mar 27, 2019:

Yea opium used to be legal, but expensive so only the Bourgeoisie could afford it. Marx didn't dislike religion and if you read the Communist Manifesto you'll not get that impression. Todays communists don't like religion broadly but thats an innovation. In fact Romania is an example of a pious ...

Naomi replies on Mar 29, 2019:

Are you talking about the possibility that that Marx's famous quote "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" took its inspiration directly from the New Testament?

Right, Karl Marx haters (and supporters)! LOL I was intrigued by Marx's quote "Religion is the opium...

JoelJackshaw comments on Mar 29, 2019:

So much for respectful debate. Marxism is a provable failed ideology, but he was right I believe when he compares man made religion to opium. I'm not a atheist, and do want to believe in something bigger than myself. But I won't use that belief to explain away all the pain and hardship life can ...

Naomi replies on Mar 29, 2019:

Take responsibilities for your own actions and suffer your own consequences. I agree!

Poverty! What is it?

bbwos comments on Mar 28, 2019:

Go to the Philippines. Then you'll know poverty.

Naomi replies on Mar 29, 2019:

Yet, they manage to smile and keep their families together (generally speaking) - do you think they have more resilience than us?

Poverty! What is it?

Sheryl_Jean comments on Mar 28, 2019:

Many years ago, as a single parent, I was living and saving - not extravagant but doing OK... I was so surprised to learn what was considered the poverty level because I was well below it!

Naomi replies on Mar 29, 2019:

Good for you! Maybe, in modern societies, people focus too much on rights and entitlements and not much on responsibilities. One has to "earn" one's entitlement, I think... Warmest wishes xxx

Poverty! What is it?

Georgesblogforum comments on Mar 28, 2019:

Poverty involves a lot more than being poor . That's why I wrote : "The Real Weapon of Mass Destruction : POVERTY" "Real History Group"

Naomi replies on Mar 29, 2019:

Oh, thank you! I'll certainly take a look.

Right, Karl Marx haters (and supporters)! LOL I was intrigued by Marx's quote "Religion is the opium...

SpaceWillie2000 comments on Mar 27, 2019:

All I know of Marxism and it's philosophy are the historical outcomes of application. Which have all ended in hundreds of thousands of dead bodies. Not sure why, but that's the way it runs in every example I can find.

Naomi replies on Mar 29, 2019:

I knew I was gonna get in trouble. I'm a bit of a contrarian sometimes - sorry! :P

Right, Karl Marx haters (and supporters)! LOL I was intrigued by Marx's quote "Religion is the opium...

Wreath comments on Mar 27, 2019:

Yea opium used to be legal, but expensive so only the Bourgeoisie could afford it. Marx didn't dislike religion and if you read the Communist Manifesto you'll not get that impression. Todays communists don't like religion broadly but thats an innovation. In fact Romania is an example of a pious ...

Naomi replies on Mar 29, 2019:

Yeeees! That's what I'm gradually getting at now! Needless to say, religion and politics always go hand in hand. Thank you for your input!

Right, Karl Marx haters (and supporters)! LOL I was intrigued by Marx's quote "Religion is the opium...

JoelJackshaw comments on Mar 28, 2019:

Addiction is when a drug or activity takes control over a person's life by dulling their senses and making their body and mind weak and dependent on a feeling or rush that ultimately will hurt them. In this way I believe Marx's was on to something when it comes to organized religion.

Naomi replies on Mar 29, 2019:

You know... I've been thinking about your comment. I took it like a joke first, then... For Marx, economic realities are what make up the social institutions like marriage, religion, education, that sort of things, and he says religion is the reflex of the economic realities (and possibly vise versa). Having established this connection between the two, maybe he was seeing the utility of religion... What do you think?

Right, Karl Marx haters (and supporters)! LOL I was intrigued by Marx's quote "Religion is the opium...

Wreath comments on Mar 27, 2019:

Yea opium used to be legal, but expensive so only the Bourgeoisie could afford it. Marx didn't dislike religion and if you read the Communist Manifesto you'll not get that impression. Todays communists don't like religion broadly but thats an innovation. In fact Romania is an example of a pious ...

Naomi replies on Mar 29, 2019:

Oh, thank you! I'll do more homework, too. So far, I came across the term "state-operated churches" in association with the USSR, implying that despite the anti-religious persecution against churches, some churches were run by the state and individuals continued with religious routines at the personal level.

I have started reading this book. Have you read it? If you have, any review?

Clammypollack comments on Mar 28, 2019:

I have not read the book but have much respect for the author.

Naomi replies on Mar 28, 2019:

Me, too!

Right, Karl Marx haters (and supporters)! LOL I was intrigued by Marx's quote "Religion is the opium...

Wreath comments on Mar 27, 2019:

Yea opium used to be legal, but expensive so only the Bourgeoisie could afford it. Marx didn't dislike religion and if you read the Communist Manifesto you'll not get that impression. Todays communists don't like religion broadly but thats an innovation. In fact Romania is an example of a pious ...

Naomi replies on Mar 28, 2019:

When you say "innovation", do you mean like the adaptation of Marxism, i.e, Marxism–Leninism, Marxism–Leninism–Maoism, etc.?

Right, Karl Marx haters (and supporters)! LOL I was intrigued by Marx's quote "Religion is the opium...

JoelJackshaw comments on Mar 28, 2019:

Addiction is when a drug or activity takes control over a person's life by dulling their senses and making their body and mind weak and dependent on a feeling or rush that ultimately will hurt them. In this way I believe Marx's was on to something when it comes to organized religion.

Naomi replies on Mar 28, 2019:

I like that! XD

Right, Karl Marx haters (and supporters)! LOL I was intrigued by Marx's quote "Religion is the opium...

Bonita777 comments on Mar 28, 2019:

Always great to be critical thinkers. I am recently a returned University student. I was surprised in my first unit, Introduction to Sociology, how Marx was heralded as one of 3 great sociologists. Weber and Durkhieim the other 2. I was intrigued as the little I had heard of Marx, was the little ...

Naomi replies on Mar 28, 2019:

Thanks for your input - much appreciated! I'm reading the Manifesto right now. "Hating the rich" definitely comes from the Labour Party, in the UK. Incidentally, I became curious about Marx's sociological view on religion; he did not make religion the primary enemy of the oppressed. Rather, he somehow interpreted religion as a social institution that helped maintain the status quo. This almost sympathetic view regarding religion coming from such an angry atheist makes it all curious.

Right, Karl Marx haters (and supporters)! LOL I was intrigued by Marx's quote "Religion is the opium...

Wreath comments on Mar 27, 2019:

Yea opium used to be legal, but expensive so only the Bourgeoisie could afford it. Marx didn't dislike religion and if you read the Communist Manifesto you'll not get that impression. Todays communists don't like religion broadly but thats an innovation. In fact Romania is an example of a pious ...

Naomi replies on Mar 28, 2019:

So, although it is said that he was an atheist and loathed religion, Marx did not make religion the primary enemy of workers and communists. Rather, he acknowledged religion as a human social institution, which depended on economic realities to maintain the status quo... something like that, isn't it? I'm intrigued by you saying that religion is disliked by today's communists and it is an innovation. Are there any materials that support that claim and that explain a little more.?

Right, Karl Marx haters (and supporters)! LOL I was intrigued by Marx's quote "Religion is the opium...

JeremyPeel comments on Mar 27, 2019:

Marx, well may be right about " religion is the opiate of the masses" look at where the atheist of the time have congregated. I think he was generalizing about human nature to need religion, coming from a non religious person. I would enjoy a debate of this claim.

Naomi replies on Mar 27, 2019:

Feel free! I'm learning so much here. :)

Right, Karl Marx haters (and supporters)! LOL I was intrigued by Marx's quote "Religion is the opium...

Wreath comments on Mar 27, 2019:

Yea opium used to be legal, but expensive so only the Bourgeoisie could afford it. Marx didn't dislike religion and if you read the Communist Manifesto you'll not get that impression. Todays communists don't like religion broadly but thats an innovation. In fact Romania is an example of a pious ...

Naomi replies on Mar 27, 2019:

I found the Communist Manifesto. I'll read it tomorrow. Thanks again!

Right, Karl Marx haters (and supporters)! LOL I was intrigued by Marx's quote "Religion is the opium...

Wreath comments on Mar 27, 2019:

Yea opium used to be legal, but expensive so only the Bourgeoisie could afford it. Marx didn't dislike religion and if you read the Communist Manifesto you'll not get that impression. Todays communists don't like religion broadly but thats an innovation. In fact Romania is an example of a pious ...

Naomi replies on Mar 27, 2019:

Wow, Thank you for your contribution! I feel I've learnt something! lol

Right, Karl Marx haters (and supporters)! LOL I was intrigued by Marx's quote "Religion is the opium...

SpaceWillie2000 comments on Mar 27, 2019:

All I know of Marxism and it's philosophy are the historical outcomes of application. Which have all ended in hundreds of thousands of dead bodies. Not sure why, but that's the way it runs in every example I can find.

Naomi replies on Mar 27, 2019:

There is no doubt that every time his ideology was put into practice, it led to most horrible consequences. I find this article interesting because it talks about Marx's perspective of religion and his understanding of its role in society at that time. The article concludes that: "Marx's relationship with and ideas about religion are thus far more complex than most realize. Marx's analysis of religion has flaws, but despite them, his perspective is worth taking seriously. Specifically, he argues that religion is not so much an independent "thing" in society but, rather, a reflection or creation of other, more fundamental "things" like economic relationships. That's not the only way of looking at religion, but it can provide some interesting illumination on the social roles that religion plays." I think that there is a moral psychological side to Marx's analysis of religion. After all, he cared about the oppressed; his mind was in the right place (I'll get in trouble by saying this!) but his economic theories were terrible when implemented.

Right, Karl Marx haters (and supporters)! LOL I was intrigued by Marx's quote "Religion is the opium...

jondspen comments on Mar 27, 2019:

Read the article, and the assumption is people hear the statement and can't see the complexity of the situation. Sure, society and life is heartless - just look to animals trying to survive in the wild (which is really what we are). And yes, religion provides some escape from that oppression. But...

Naomi replies on Mar 27, 2019:

Thank you for getting the ball rolling! (Apparently, in the 19th century, what they called "opium" was more like "anodyne" (a painkiller).) The article says: "The truth is that, while Marx was very critical of religion, he was also in some ways sympathetic.", and that intrigued me. While his economic theories are much talked about, his analysis of religion is not.

The role that identity politics should play I know what you think, but bear with me.

Naomi comments on Mar 27, 2019:

I like posts like this because they really make me think, but then, I don't like posts like this because they distract me from my work for hours. lol In my simple mind, I see like this: I don't believe that one can be completely self-reliant, i.e., completely individual. Basically because ...

Naomi replies on Mar 27, 2019:

Yeah, in my simple mind, it's got to be a two-way thing. If you support free speech, you have to be prepared to hear something you don't like as well as something you like and acknowledge it with respect. When there is mutual respect, you can integrate. Having said that, there are some people you just can't stand, so you also reserve the option of walking away from them. lol

Reparations for slavery

Naomi comments on Mar 26, 2019:

Why is it that no one talks about white slaves...? If reparations for slavery is just, that should include white slaves as well as black slaves. But it doesn't fit the left-wing narrative, I guess. lol

Naomi replies on Mar 27, 2019:

Fascinating! And victimhood - I hate it, too. Thanks ever so much for sharing your personal story. X

YOUTUBE keeps trying to take this video down... But somebody needs to help this boy [youtu.be]

Naomi comments on Mar 26, 2019:

I don't know what to say - this is sickening. In the UK, a social worker would probably get involved, concerning the physical and mental wellbeing of this boy.

Naomi replies on Mar 26, 2019:

I find it very frustrating. Makes me feel like screaming "Let children be children!" They're entitled to a decent childhood.

This has just come in: "YouTube deleted a channel hosting a Joe Rogan podcast within 3 hours of ...

richardwrites comments on Mar 26, 2019:

Soros operates through a variety of fronts so that his opinions appear to be those of a multitude. We lack the money or manpower to match this yet... but we will have this quite soon.

Naomi replies on Mar 26, 2019:

Stay safe...

This is Antifa for you... [youtube.com]

jasonc65 comments on Mar 25, 2019:

This is British Deep State for you https://youtu.be/J8NA1CAynJI

Naomi replies on Mar 26, 2019:

I'm watching this right now, and wow, this is shocking! I think this kind of things have to be told, not to promote hatred, of course, but so that we will never drive ourselves into this kind of situation again. You know, some are Holocaust deniers, some justify Atomic bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, and so on, but we all have to accept that what happened happened, and we, as the mankind, have got only ourselves to blame.

This is Antifa for you... [youtube.com]

purdyday comments on Mar 26, 2019:

I think of Anti-fa like this, Anti-First Amendment. Keeps it real for me.

Naomi replies on Mar 26, 2019:

Nice one!

Reparations for slavery

Buflineks comments on Mar 25, 2019:

I would think that if they are going after the governments who instigated slavery in the U.S. they need to go after the Portuguese for the " 20 and odd" at Jamestown, as well as the U.K. for allowing it under colonial rule.

Naomi replies on Mar 26, 2019:

Ah, I see. Thanks.

This has just come in: "YouTube deleted a channel hosting a Joe Rogan podcast within 3 hours of ...

richardwrites comments on Mar 26, 2019:

Soros operates through a variety of fronts so that his opinions appear to be those of a multitude. We lack the money or manpower to match this yet... but we will have this quite soon.

Naomi replies on Mar 26, 2019:

Some say that Soros is a "radical left" billionaire. There is even a speculation that he pays traffickers to ship migrants across borders in Europe...

This has just come in: "YouTube deleted a channel hosting a Joe Rogan podcast within 3 hours of ...

raeraefire comments on Mar 26, 2019:

Media Matters is kind of like the Southern Poverty Law Center. They are a watchdog group for the left, pointing out anything they deem hate speech. They are resourceful and have power.

Naomi replies on Mar 26, 2019:

But I thought Joe Rogan was an open-minded all-round kind of person. He wouldn't say or do anything to promote hate or violence, would he?

"There is no such thing as society" - it sounds a little disconcerting, doesn't it?

InternetDorkWeb comments on Mar 25, 2019:

I do not think her critics are using that quote out of context. People sometimes do limit it to “There’s no such thing as society” because that’s memorable, and you can infer the meaning from it. The suggestion that everyone should look to their families and neighbors for help, completely...

Naomi replies on Mar 26, 2019:

Now you're talking! lol This is very interesting. "The truth is that, while Marx was very critical of religion, he was also in some ways sympathetic.", right? You should post this to invite others to discuss - you haven't posted anything yet. Or shall I do that for you?

Reparations for slavery

Buflineks comments on Mar 25, 2019:

I would think that if they are going after the governments who instigated slavery in the U.S. they need to go after the Portuguese for the " 20 and odd" at Jamestown, as well as the U.K. for allowing it under colonial rule.

Naomi replies on Mar 26, 2019:

I thought the Arab slave trade was the very beginning of the slavery history; didn't they ship lots of Africans to many different countries? Or, have I got that wrong?

This is Antifa for you... [youtube.com]

jondspen comments on Mar 25, 2019:

How is this not criminal? Better yet, how is this not being prosecuted?

Naomi replies on Mar 26, 2019:

Shocking, isn't it? That's the corrupt UK government for you.

This is Antifa for you... [youtube.com]

purdyday comments on Mar 25, 2019:

Did anyone notice the picture of the somalian, with the bloody cleaver? This was right after they ran over Lee Rigby,an off duty soldier, and chopped him up, near his barracks in Woolich, London. I grew up near there, my sister still lives near there. There were school children at the scene. And ...

Naomi replies on Mar 26, 2019:

And the British government are constantly and deliberately misportraying Tommy Robinson; thug, far-right, Nazi sympathiser, etc. They also choose to overlook it every time this kind of thing is done to him. Basically, they're scared of him because he won't stop speaking truth and they would do anything to take him down. I fear for his life, to be honest; they tried last time when they put him in prison for a bogus crime... I know there are some politicians, though only a few, like Gerard Batten, who support Tommy. I wish they had more power to protect him. In any event, it's just not right - no matter how much you may hate someone, you shan't try to hurt their innocent children - that's just sick.

This is Antifa for you... [youtube.com]

jasonc65 comments on Mar 26, 2019:

And this is Antifa Down Under, aka #repselect. Their actions had racist, xenophobic consequences. Figure that. https://junkee.com/sydney-uni-student-politics-repselect/180392

Naomi replies on Mar 26, 2019:

When I was growing up, if I behaved like this, I would've been told off by grownups for my rudeness and bad manners - as simple as that. We're somehow all afraid to do the same to kids nowadays. How did we come to this?

This is the point at which I feel I'm absolutely stuck and powerless.

RobBlair comments on Mar 25, 2019:

Anti speech laws. Calling it hate speech is silly. The idea that children don't know anything but somehow know that they aren't the gender they are is an irrational jump. Giving children castration drugs is child abuse and I hope to someday see the doctors that participate in this child abuse go ...

Naomi replies on Mar 25, 2019:

Looks like ideologues are winning at the moment, unfortunately... You may be interested to watch the other video I've just posted.

This is the point at which I feel I'm absolutely stuck and powerless.

Guido_Provolone comments on Mar 25, 2019:

Humans, the most intelligent morons on the planet.

Naomi replies on Mar 25, 2019:

Same here! (Apart from smoking; I binge-eat chocolate!)

This is Antifa for you... [youtube.com]

Rok19 comments on Mar 25, 2019:

Tommy needs to arm up and get a concealed handgun for his wife,at least that's what we would do here. I feel terrible for Tommy Robinson and how he is getting attacked and harassed by the media and the government. His haters are huge in number,but so are his fans and allies.

Naomi replies on Mar 25, 2019:

Ah, but then, that's exactly what they (the rotten establishment) want; they're waiting for Tommy to react badly. That'll give them a golden opportunity to lock him up. How frustrating! Thankfully, Tommy is not stupid.

This is the point at which I feel I'm absolutely stuck and powerless.

RobBlair comments on Mar 25, 2019:

Anti speech laws. Calling it hate speech is silly. The idea that children don't know anything but somehow know that they aren't the gender they are is an irrational jump. Giving children castration drugs is child abuse and I hope to someday see the doctors that participate in this child abuse go ...

Naomi replies on Mar 25, 2019:

Thanks for the article - interesting! At least one thing I'm clear about is that I definitely disagree that gender is fluid. To me, it has to stay as just a theory. Otherwise, it's nonsense. I'm not so concerned about self identification with adults; I expect them to be responsible for whatever choice they may make and suffer the consequences. However, when children, say aged 10 to 14, think that they're trapped in a wrong body and, if their condition is properly identified as gender dysphoria (and even if their minds are influenced by ideological activist parents like the one in the video), then, I think we have a responsibility as members of society to protect them. As the article suggests, even if they eventually grow out of it, how we should accommodate such children in various social circumstances until such time comes would be my question. Incidentally, in the UK, children under the age 18 with gender dysphoria are provided with psychological treatment, mainly by counselling, Puberty is also taken into consideration. My brain is hurting. lol

This is the point at which I feel I'm absolutely stuck and powerless.

Guido_Provolone comments on Mar 25, 2019:

Humans, the most intelligent morons on the planet.

Naomi replies on Mar 25, 2019:

Including you and me. LOL

"There is no such thing as society" - it sounds a little disconcerting, doesn't it?

Lickspittle comments on Mar 24, 2019:

Lady Thatcher is absolutely spot on here. In the same sense there is no government, but a collection of individual politician and bureaucrats who make decisions that affect us all. Collective groups only make decisions and choices if there are enough individuals within that group who decide or ...

Naomi replies on Mar 25, 2019:

Corbyn - Don't get me started! Or May for that matter! The UK is an absolute embarrassment to the world, re: Brexit! I'm gonna have to calm down now, and no thanks to you. LOL

"There is no such thing as society" - it sounds a little disconcerting, doesn't it?

InternetDorkWeb comments on Mar 25, 2019:

I do not think her critics are using that quote out of context. People sometimes do limit it to “There’s no such thing as society” because that’s memorable, and you can infer the meaning from it. The suggestion that everyone should look to their families and neighbors for help, completely...

Naomi replies on Mar 25, 2019:

I take your point about Thatcher, but I think it has to be discussed under a different post. Why don't you open a debate on Thatcherism yourself? I'm sure many people will be interested. As you point out yourself, a tiny excerpt from someone's remark is inferable, and that is the point I was making. Please let me know if you can think of any excerpts and quotes that are slightly controversially inferable, as I hardly know any myself.

This is Antifa for you... [youtube.com]

richardwrites comments on Mar 25, 2019:

We need to create our own- purely defensive army.

Naomi replies on Mar 25, 2019:

What disgusts me the most is that the establishment, including the police, are overlooking what Antifa and the like are doing to innocent people. They're unbelievably corrupt. Not like I didn't know but it still shocks me.

"There is no such thing as society" - it sounds a little disconcerting, doesn't it?

Lickspittle comments on Mar 24, 2019:

Lady Thatcher is absolutely spot on here. In the same sense there is no government, but a collection of individual politician and bureaucrats who make decisions that affect us all. Collective groups only make decisions and choices if there are enough individuals within that group who decide or ...

Naomi replies on Mar 25, 2019:

I agree! We cannot not belong to a group, but it's got to be the individuals in that group who are the driving force of the group, not the group that controls the individuals in it. In my simple mind, I prefer bottom-up approach (liberalism?) to top-down approach (socialism?) .

"There is no such thing as society" - it sounds a little disconcerting, doesn't it?

Michendo comments on Mar 25, 2019:

Generally I sympathise with what she was saying. But she did not say it particulary well. Of course there is society. Perhaps there is no society in the sense that people invoke when they feel powerless.

Naomi replies on Mar 25, 2019:

My point was how someone's remark could be taken out of context and misapplied. In Thatcher's case (and others' for that matter), she can't defend herself because she's dead. lol But I hear what you say.

"There is no such thing as society" - it sounds a little disconcerting, doesn't it?

DesertMinx comments on Mar 24, 2019:

I agree with this nearly entirely. I can't think of any (mis)quotes at the moment, but I know one I want to paraphrase. You've heard the quote "Soylent Green is people!" ? I think it might be on point to howl "Government is people!" in the same tones of alarm. Certainly I feel the US gov has got ...

Naomi replies on Mar 24, 2019:

Tell me about it. It's going backwards... baffling.

"There is no such thing as society" - it sounds a little disconcerting, doesn't it?

DesertMinx comments on Mar 24, 2019:

I agree with this nearly entirely. I can't think of any (mis)quotes at the moment, but I know one I want to paraphrase. You've heard the quote "Soylent Green is people!" ? I think it might be on point to howl "Government is people!" in the same tones of alarm. Certainly I feel the US gov has got ...

Naomi replies on Mar 24, 2019:

I hear what you say. The UK government is terrible in a similar manner. Brexit is on news day in day out, and it's become apparent that the politicians are not representing their constituents; they're too busy with political struggles among themselves to listen to what the people in the UK are demanding. Plus, the censorship implemented by the government is getting worse. Freedom of speech is dying in the UK, yet, many people seem nonchalant about it. Perhaps, they can't relate themselves when high-profile figures like Sargon of Akkad and Tommy Robinson become banned by social media. The thing is, once it got to them, it would be all too late.

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StrykerWolfe comments on Mar 23, 2019:

This has been going on for a few months now to my recollection. I’m almost more in line with their views on transgender people than ours, but they lose me completely at compelled sterilization. How that isn’t a violation of international law is beyond me. You treat sick people, you try to cure ...

Naomi replies on Mar 24, 2019:

Me, too.

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JJreuter comments on Mar 24, 2019:

https://jjreuter.wordpress.com/2018/11/22/madness/

Naomi replies on Mar 24, 2019:

Thank you very much for sharing your piece - very interesting! I always interact with people as individuals and never identify them with the categories they belong to, so, I have no problems with LGBTQs. I was intrigued by the article I originally posted about the Japanese government's approach to gender transition. Having found more about it and trying to read between the lines, I'm beginning to think that the Japanese GID Act was set up to send out a message that gender transition mustn't be taken too lightly. But then, this obviously does not help solve the problems the trans people face in Japan. This is such a huge matter. Even the definition of gender is debatable; some define it simply by the biological concept and others by the societal concept. Some regard gender transition as a mental disorder and others do not. Then, there are human right issues, social issues like interactions with others from marriage to child adoption and even bathroom sharing, a whole bunch of stuff! At least one thing that is clear in my head is that I also disagree that gender is fluid. I have to say that it is an ideological trend. I also agree when you talk about reproduction in evolutionary terms. I think it was Bret Weinstein who made a similar comment in one of those debates/ discussions he was in, maybe on YouTube. Thanks again for your contribution. I shall carry on hurting my brain. lol

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Judah80 comments on Mar 23, 2019:

Japan has a history of this sort of thing, and not just with trans people. Up until 1996 they would legally sterilize people with mental disorders and certain diseases in order to "ensure the health of future generations". https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-sterilisations-idUSKBN1I90MU ...

Naomi replies on Mar 24, 2019:

Not sure if gender transition is all down to individual choice and freedom if that includes switching over between sexes as one wishes. Choice always comes with responsibilities and consequences, right? So whether gender is defined by the biological concept or by the societal concept, it affects social integration like relationships and the roles of those in the relationships.

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StrykerWolfe comments on Mar 23, 2019:

This has been going on for a few months now to my recollection. I’m almost more in line with their views on transgender people than ours, but they lose me completely at compelled sterilization. How that isn’t a violation of international law is beyond me. You treat sick people, you try to cure ...

Naomi replies on Mar 24, 2019:

While vasectomy, for example, is not uncommon as a means of birth control, you would probably agree that it has to be a personal choice and not something that is imposed on anyone by any authority.

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ScottThomson comments on Mar 23, 2019:

"Compelled" implies force. Force restricts liberty. Government is force. Less government force = increased individual liberty. The end of all government action should be to secure individual liberty.

Naomi replies on Mar 23, 2019:

Yes, I find "compel" is the troublesome word in all this.

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Judah80 comments on Mar 23, 2019:

Japan has a history of this sort of thing, and not just with trans people. Up until 1996 they would legally sterilize people with mental disorders and certain diseases in order to "ensure the health of future generations". https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-sterilisations-idUSKBN1I90MU ...

Naomi replies on Mar 23, 2019:

Hmmm...it makes me think...

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Judah80 comments on Mar 23, 2019:

Japan has a history of this sort of thing, and not just with trans people. Up until 1996 they would legally sterilize people with mental disorders and certain diseases in order to "ensure the health of future generations". https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-sterilisations-idUSKBN1I90MU ...

Naomi replies on Mar 23, 2019:

In the article I posted, some trans people do not wish to have "irreversible" treatment. Does it sound to you that they want to change their gender but they want to keep the option of going back to their original gender just in case they might change their mind?

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StrykerWolfe comments on Mar 23, 2019:

This has been going on for a few months now to my recollection. I’m almost more in line with their views on transgender people than ours, but they lose me completely at compelled sterilization. How that isn’t a violation of international law is beyond me. You treat sick people, you try to cure ...

Naomi replies on Mar 23, 2019:

If there is a good medical reason, yes, I think so, especially when there is a life-threatening risk that can be avoided by sterilisation.

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StrykerWolfe comments on Mar 23, 2019:

This has been going on for a few months now to my recollection. I’m almost more in line with their views on transgender people than ours, but they lose me completely at compelled sterilization. How that isn’t a violation of international law is beyond me. You treat sick people, you try to cure ...

Naomi replies on Mar 23, 2019:

It is the black and white notion of "to sterilise or not to sterilise" that startles me a little.

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SpaceWillie2000 comments on Mar 23, 2019:

It's an option to be retitled, but if they want to play the part, there's been a price added by Japan's government of not being able to reproduce. If they don't like it, they could always try to change the laws. That's what's happening in the US. Legislative matters to defend someone's right to...

Naomi replies on Mar 23, 2019:

As young as 9 - gasp! In the UK, the NHS (National Health Service) provides treatment for gender dysphoria. For children under 18, it is normally psychological treatment by counselling. Puberty is also taken into consideration. Meanwhile, the Gender Recognition Act 2004 gives certain legal rights to trans men and women. In a nutshell, under the Gender Recognition Act of 2004, trans men and women can: - apply for and obtain a Gender Recognition Certificate to acknowledge their gender identity - get a new birth certificate, driving licence and passport - marry in their new gender To apply for a Gender Recognition Certificate, you must be over 18. The application process requires you to prove that: - you have or have had gender dysphoria - you have lived as your preferred gender for the last two years - you intend to live permanently in your preferred gender In the video, "the violation of human rights" is mentioned. I'm not sure how to define the scope of the human rights any more, as the social structure, particularly in the West, has become very complicated. Of course, everybody has the right to live, but does this right extend to include the right to change the gender, I wonder...

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StrykerWolfe comments on Mar 23, 2019:

This has been going on for a few months now to my recollection. I’m almost more in line with their views on transgender people than ours, but they lose me completely at compelled sterilization. How that isn’t a violation of international law is beyond me. You treat sick people, you try to cure ...

Naomi replies on Mar 23, 2019:

I guess it's like saying "if you're a woman and want to become a man, you must get rid of all the female parts inside your body as well as the outside ".

Is the IDW at risk of being infiltrated by alt-right provocateurs?

shash comments on Mar 18, 2019:

If by alt right, you mean white supremacists, then you mean far leftist. All group identity politics is leftist politics. Individual politics are rightist. Just because the Democrats have decided to make white Christians the main enemy, does not mean the Republicans some how adopted white ...

Naomi replies on Mar 23, 2019:

Hello jnaatjes. Sorry for my late entry, but I just wanted to mention the term "ethnonationalism". I see ethnonationalism as synonymous with white supremacy and Nazism. I thought it might help define nationalism better. Take care.

Who is Blaire White?

plebeian_lobster comments on Mar 23, 2019:

She is one of those personalities that I just don't think add very much in terms of thoughts--kind of like Candace Owens. I don't think Candace or Blaire say anything that classical liberals haven't been saying for decades now. The only reason they have a following today, I think, is because they ...

Naomi replies on Mar 23, 2019:

Good observation! I agree when you are kind of saying that White and Owens are using their identities as a weapon, and it does make them hypocritical if they see themselves as classical liberals. Thanks for your contribution. Enjoy the rest of your weekend!

Sargon of Akkad with Tommy Robinson talking abut the UK police, deplatforming, immigration, racism, ...

MarPep comments on Mar 21, 2019:

He is a thorn in the side of the Establishment, but not enough to kill outright. He will be punished to the point that he gives up or is murdered in prison. The US has had numerous Presidents and politicians that were against the Globalist Banking Establishment, and who have been shot or ...

Naomi replies on Mar 22, 2019:

What is distinctive about Tommy Robinson is that he is just a working-class lad from a small town of England. He hasn't got much academic background. He's never been involved in politics (he actually hates and distrusts all politicians, hence he's never voted); it's more like that he's been dragged into politics (some describe him as a "political prisoner"). He's not a racist, not an Islamophobe, nor is he far-right. He is a single-issue man; he fights against Islamic ideology. I think his existence speaks volumes; many people can relate themselves to him because he is just an ordinary bloke who is fighting for his country and its culture and for freedom of speech.

Wow! Is this a genuine quote?

MADcHATTER comments on Mar 20, 2019:

Actually no... these are the words of early Nazi party official Gregor Strasser, printed in a 1926 pamphlet titled *Thoughts about the Tasks of the Future.* They have been incorrectly misattributed to Hitler. And he did call on some aspects of Stassers insights but they are still not Hitlers words. ...

Naomi replies on Mar 21, 2019:

Thank you for the correction. When I say Nazis were socialists, I normally get told to educate myself. XD I'm gonna go and learn a bit more about Gregor Strasser. Good talking to you.

[youtu.be] Another good video by Matt Christiansen on the recent censorship talks.

Naomi comments on Mar 20, 2019:

He has a good point; trying to silence someone only increases the public profile of that person. Tommy Robinson is a good example in the UK. A working class lad from a tiny town now has more than a million followers.

Naomi replies on Mar 21, 2019:

He isn't allowed to talk; he just won't stop talking. lol

Love him or hate him, that's not the point.

BrunosDad comments on Mar 19, 2019:

It is weird that when I was a daily Quora user UK members were always pointing to the problems in the US making the UK sound utopian. Being here for just a week I am beginning to think it just isn't so. Looks like we both have our problems to work out. Just learned about Tommy yesterday, have a lot...

Naomi replies on Mar 20, 2019:

Oops! LOL Anyway, good talking to you!

Love him or hate him, that's not the point.

BrunosDad comments on Mar 19, 2019:

It is weird that when I was a daily Quora user UK members were always pointing to the problems in the US making the UK sound utopian. Being here for just a week I am beginning to think it just isn't so. Looks like we both have our problems to work out. Just learned about Tommy yesterday, have a lot...

Naomi replies on Mar 19, 2019:

You could visit this post where many people are talking about Tommy Robinson. https://idw.community/post/21056/whats-peoples-thoughts-on-tommy-robinson-being-banned-from-all-social-media?aid=6683

Love him or hate him, that's not the point.

BrunosDad comments on Mar 19, 2019:

It is weird that when I was a daily Quora user UK members were always pointing to the problems in the US making the UK sound utopian. Being here for just a week I am beginning to think it just isn't so. Looks like we both have our problems to work out. Just learned about Tommy yesterday, have a lot...

Naomi replies on Mar 19, 2019:

When it comes to freedom of speech, I reckon it is worse in the UK than it is in the US; we have hate speech laws - a big mistake! It is fair to say that Tommy Robinson is a divisive figure. Some say he is a free speech fighter, and others say he is just a thug. He is loved by many because he speaks the truth, and he is also hated by many because he won't stop speaking the truth - ha, ha! You're right; the UK and the US, and the West as a whole, have common problems - freedom of speech, identity politics, political correctness, and so on. They drive me nuts! Enjoy the rest of your holiday in the UK! X

Who is Blaire White?

Bumpkin111 comments on Mar 19, 2019:

Watched 3/4 of her interview by Dave Rubin. I don't have much feeling about it. She's intelligent, aware and eloquent, other than that she's just another conservative YouTuber with a fan base. Good for her.

Naomi replies on Mar 19, 2019:

Yes, I've learnt a bit more about her, too. It's refreshing that a transgender woman acknowledges that her condition is a mental disorder. And she's a conservative - no wonder she gets attacked by radical lefty-type LGBTQs and feminists - ha, ha! I think I'll follow her for a while. Thank you for your contribution.

Yellow Vest in Paris on 18th straight weekend of demonstrations.

MADcHATTER comments on Mar 17, 2019:

I know they floated the name of his last Challenger Marie Le Pen. She's the right wing National Rally party candidate who ran against him last election. I do not know if she's involved or not. I know she stated that the French Government was responsible for the unrest in the country sparked by the ...

Naomi replies on Mar 17, 2019:

That's the thing. I can understand the cause and development of the Yellow Vest movement. I can even sympathise with the protesters. Demonstrations have been going on for 18 consecutive weekends (and how many more weekends?!) and this involves a lot commitment, persistence and perseverance. It is all very well that they want Macron out, but other than that, I don't think there is anything specific on the table right now to settle the situation any time soon. I am beginning to wonder if there is anything productive and constructive that could come out of this all.

A balanced view for a change.

MADcHATTER comments on Mar 16, 2019:

So dispite what the leftists are saying about the Shooter in Christchurch New Zealand...he is NOT, repeat...NOT a Conservative. According to his own Manifesto he hoped what he did would rip America apart and bring about the destruction of the 2nd Amendment. That is not Conservative by any (except ...

Naomi replies on Mar 16, 2019:

I like Tucker; he always has good points. It is shocking how little time it takes for those to politicise a tragedy like this. I've already heard one feminist say white men are to blame for the NZ attacks, and the UK MSM have quickly made an association between the attacks and Tommy Robinson (he has nothing to do with this, of course). I also find it extremely disrespectful to the victims and their families.

A balanced view for a change.

MarPep comments on Mar 16, 2019:

We have had a controlled MSM for a century in the US, longer in Europe. The controllers have definite plans for a one-world government, and the MSM has their agenda at the heart of all major news reporting. A short vid on the history of how the MSM was bought--and it started just 2 years after...

Naomi replies on Mar 16, 2019:

An interesting piece. Thanks for your contribution. I posted the article here; it was originally shared on Facebook by a small press with a little note saying that the article might be removed by Facebook. The MSM in the UK are terribly biased and small media trying to pursue the truth are constantly targeted by Facebook, Twitter, etc.

A British ISIS bride has recently had her British citizenship stripped by the UK government so that ...

InternetDorkWeb comments on Mar 13, 2019:

Removing someone’s citizenship and rendering them stateless is not an adequate solution to anything. It leaves a person in limbo where they have nowhere to go... yet they cannot be nowhere, and so they are in a permanent state of flux. If she has no citizenship she can’t return to the UK. ...

Naomi replies on Mar 15, 2019:

@InternetDorkWeb Because the things you listed in your comment are well-known facts in the UK. It's not just me saying it. In addition, de-radicalisation of Islamic extremists is very difficult if not impossible, which is another fact the UK government acknowledges. I don't know why you're so upset by these facts. I am simply exploring different views. Plus why do I need to seek justification in all this? I am not even involved in this matter, publicly or privately. You're clearly beginning to take it all personally. Time to leave the conversation.

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InternetDorkWeb comments on Mar 13, 2019:

Removing someone’s citizenship and rendering them stateless is not an adequate solution to anything. It leaves a person in limbo where they have nowhere to go... yet they cannot be nowhere, and so they are in a permanent state of flux. If she has no citizenship she can’t return to the UK. ...

Naomi replies on Mar 14, 2019:

@InternetDorkWeb With all due respect, I think you're going off the tracka little. I'm trying to look at the matter from different angles, I'm thinking aloud, if you like, and other members have been kind to offer their views, hence the continuation of the discussion. If I knew the answer to this all, I wouldn't have shared the article. Somehow, you've gone into the attacking mode and I don't know why...

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Bay0Wulf comments on Mar 13, 2019:

While I sort of see her ... and your ... point, the question is then, what to do with them if they were allowed re-entry? Were they allowed to return, would they be put ... could they be put ... through a typical “Western Justice” System? Based on what “crimes”? Based on what ...

Naomi replies on Mar 14, 2019:

@InternetDorkWeb ISIS kills defectors and their families and relatives. Begum has been all over the media, plus her family and relatives are in the UK, where there are some Islamists lurking about, yet they're not under threat. Begum is remorseless, by the way. Do you think there could be a plan by ISIS?

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Bay0Wulf comments on Mar 13, 2019:

While I sort of see her ... and your ... point, the question is then, what to do with them if they were allowed re-entry? Were they allowed to return, would they be put ... could they be put ... through a typical “Western Justice” System? Based on what “crimes”? Based on what ...

Naomi replies on Mar 14, 2019:

@InternetDorkWeb Perhaps there is a problem in that we try to deal with a case like this by applying the Western legal system on the subconscious assumption that everyone shares the Western values...?

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bil2276 comments on Mar 13, 2019:

I don't mind as long as you're bringing them home to hang them for treason.

Naomi replies on Mar 14, 2019:

There's no capital punishment in the UK.

A British ISIS bride has recently had her British citizenship stripped by the UK government so that ...

InternetDorkWeb comments on Mar 13, 2019:

Removing someone’s citizenship and rendering them stateless is not an adequate solution to anything. It leaves a person in limbo where they have nowhere to go... yet they cannot be nowhere, and so they are in a permanent state of flux. If she has no citizenship she can’t return to the UK. ...

Naomi replies on Mar 14, 2019:

Even if Begum was imprisoned successfully so that she will never come out, prisons in the UK are already full of Islamist criminals, i.e., UK prisons are breeding grounds for Islamist extremism, and this is a fact. She would take the advantage of being in prison and try to radicalise other offenders. If that is the case, she could be held in a solitary confinement unit, I guess, but then, considering there are already many others like her, it would be difficult to provide enough facilities so that they can all be held in solitary confinement units respectively.

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beekeeper comments on Mar 13, 2019:

They turned their backs on the country of their origin I don't see any wrong with the country of their origin turning their backs on them . There are consequences for your actions .

Naomi replies on Mar 14, 2019:

I agree about taking responsibilities and facing consequences for your own actions. I'm trying to figure out beyond that point, though, like the Yazidi lady says,"You cannot just wash your hands of them (by removing citizenship) and leave them in Iraq and Syria."