I came across this interesting biblical question today: Did Jesus want organized religion?

Boardwine comments on May 8, 2019:

19 “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. 20 Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.” 21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on ...

Naomi replies on May 8, 2019:

How about the Seven Churches? I came across a comment "He spoke to the churches. Seven of them. He held the church accountable in each instance. Not an individual..not the pastor..the church as a whole..." Would that mean that He was speaking to organised churches?

I came across this interesting biblical question today: Did Jesus want organized religion?

Boardwine comments on May 8, 2019:

19 “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. 20 Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.” 21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on ...

Naomi replies on May 8, 2019:

Thank you!

I came across this interesting biblical question today: Did Jesus want organized religion?

Aurelien comments on May 7, 2019:

The question is irrelevant, because it completly ignores the context of Jesus' life. He lived in a time and society where 'organised' religion was so prevalent, it wasn't even questioned. Especially with him, a Jew. In other words, if you could ask him that question he would most probably look at ...

Naomi replies on May 8, 2019:

Hi Boardwine. So, you believe, unlike many people, Paul met Jesus...? And after Jesus died, Paul fell out with James (Jesus's oldest brother?). Was that the beginning of the political struggle between the two?

I came across this interesting biblical question today: Did Jesus want organized religion?

tigercake comments on May 7, 2019:

What is your question exactly? Did Jesus want Christianity the way it unfolded?

Naomi replies on May 8, 2019:

So, I watched the documentary - fascinating! It seems to me that there was (and still is) a political struggle between the gospel version of Jesus (by Paul) and the historical version of Jesus. According to the gospel version, it was a mythological necessity for Paul to portray Jesus as Son of God so as to promote the "Jesus movement" as an organised religion, thus, a political means, while according to the historical version, Jesus himself was a charismatic political rebel who fought for the liberation of Jews. It is also interesting that the persecution of Jews by the Romans before the birth of Jesus and the existence of John the Baptist are constantly played down by the Gospels. I must admit that the alternative biography is more telling. It is a shame that the alternative biography cannot provide enough evidence to explain the resurrection. Anyway, it always seems to be the case that religion and politics make a toxic cocktail... Thanks again for introducing me to this fascinating documentary.

I came across this interesting biblical question today: Did Jesus want organized religion?

Aurelien comments on May 7, 2019:

The question is irrelevant, because it completly ignores the context of Jesus' life. He lived in a time and society where 'organised' religion was so prevalent, it wasn't even questioned. Especially with him, a Jew. In other words, if you could ask him that question he would most probably look at ...

Naomi replies on May 8, 2019:

Just one thing. What is your interpretation of "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it." [Matthew 16:18]? Apparently, it is significant that this is the first occurrence of the word Church in the New Testament. Do you think building a church can mean the first step of congregation, and therefore of the organisation of the religion by Jesus? (Some say that like Paul, Matthew never met Jesus.)

I came across this interesting biblical question today: Did Jesus want organized religion?

Aurelien comments on May 7, 2019:

The question is irrelevant, because it completly ignores the context of Jesus' life. He lived in a time and society where 'organised' religion was so prevalent, it wasn't even questioned. Especially with him, a Jew. In other words, if you could ask him that question he would most probably look at ...

Naomi replies on May 8, 2019:

Thank you. :)

I came across this interesting biblical question today: Did Jesus want organized religion?

tigercake comments on May 7, 2019:

What is your question exactly? Did Jesus want Christianity the way it unfolded?

Naomi replies on May 7, 2019:

Thank you, tigercake!!

I came across this interesting biblical question today: Did Jesus want organized religion?

tigercake comments on May 7, 2019:

What is your question exactly? Did Jesus want Christianity the way it unfolded?

Naomi replies on May 7, 2019:

Wow, tigercake! I would love to watch that documentary. Is it on YouTube?

I came across this interesting biblical question today: Did Jesus want organized religion?

tigercake comments on May 7, 2019:

What is your question exactly? Did Jesus want Christianity the way it unfolded?

Naomi replies on May 7, 2019:

I think the question is deliberately ambiguous. It could be as "Did Jesus want Christianity to be an organised religion?" I don't know...

Is "Free Speech" a sacred Cow, or Shibboleth?

Naomi comments on May 7, 2019:

Both, and it's a cult word. it's susceptible to subjectivity and bias.

Naomi replies on May 7, 2019:

For example...

A vineyard employs 900 ducks - YouTube

PFGreg3 comments on May 7, 2019:

Duck glue everywhere! You know, that stuff that sticks to your feet! :p

Naomi replies on May 7, 2019:

Hi. Never thought of that! LOl!

Do you regard yourself as a kind person?

Ericrmusing comments on May 5, 2019:

My answer to all your questions is "no". When I am moved by kindness, it has nothing to do with making me feel good. I am not imposing my values nor feeling self-righteous. It has to do with care and concern for someone and acting on that.

Naomi replies on May 6, 2019:

Thanks. You actually provide a good example. There're some homeless people in my town. I normally give them food if I see them but never money. I believe that not all but most of them have problems with drugs and alcohol. If I give them money "out of kindness", they will probably use it to buy drugs and alcohol, in which case, I "think" I'm being kind to them, as I "simply allow the impulse to generosity move me" (as you put it), but it is a wrong kind of kindness, i.e., in fact it isn't kind at all and I'm just being self-righteous.

Do you regard yourself as a kind person?

Ericrmusing comments on May 5, 2019:

My answer to all your questions is "no". When I am moved by kindness, it has nothing to do with making me feel good. I am not imposing my values nor feeling self-righteous. It has to do with care and concern for someone and acting on that.

Naomi replies on May 5, 2019:

I'm just wondering what kindness really is - that's all. A kind act is performed by one person to another; it is initially a one-way thing. I'm wondering when I'm being kind to someone (because I "think" I'm doing a good deed although I don't really know what this person needs ), the person will probably say thank-you to me, maybe only because he/she feels obliged to say so. Of course, I will feel good about myself, thinking that I did something good because the person thanked me. The truth is, I'll never find out if I was truly kind or helpful to the person. I'm just thinking aloud here. Lol.

Do you regard yourself as a kind person?

Ericrmusing comments on May 5, 2019:

My answer to all your questions is "no". When I am moved by kindness, it has nothing to do with making me feel good. I am not imposing my values nor feeling self-righteous. It has to do with care and concern for someone and acting on that.

Naomi replies on May 5, 2019:

Hello. Thank you for your response. My next question would be: When you act kindly to someone, how do you know that the person needs your kindness?

How do we get people on the Left

TommyB comments on May 3, 2019:

They're here i can name a few. The refreshing thing is they're more civil & actually attempt to back up their positions with sources & intelligent arguments. In fact, i have to admit they pushed MY buttons a couple of times, & it's usually the other way around. It was easier to spot 'em on the ...

Naomi replies on May 5, 2019:

Hello. I hear what you're saying; I remember you told me that you have a Marxist in your family. When you are involved at a personal level, it's difficult. Maybe, the circumstances are different between the area where you live in America and the area where I live in England. I know a few who are left-leaning and they're all reasonable.

Well, I see the madness continues in the UK.

An_Ominous comments on Apr 30, 2019:

Stabbings are up in the UK. No one is allowed to carry a knife over 3 inches long. And as to lengthier cutlery they've already asserted that, "no one needs a knife that big." It seems almost parody... but no, it's stranger than fiction. So... after they ban knives what next? Apparently people ...

Naomi replies on May 4, 2019:

The logic is that if you carry a knife, you sure intend to use it. So, banning carrying a knife in the first place should prevent using it. However, only decent people comply with such a law. There are gang wars going on in the UK and gangs are least likely to comply with it... ^^;

Signing off This will be my last post here.

Babou comments on May 3, 2019:

Well, God damn it. Indeed it seems that the rest of the internet has been taken over by snowflakes (FaceBorg just tossing people off the other day) and this IDW place is just where a bunch of paleo-libertarians and clan-anarchists and would-be individualists (which means they're never had a serious ...

Naomi replies on May 4, 2019:

"Paleo-libertarians" - brilliant!

How do we get people on the Left

TommyB comments on May 3, 2019:

They're here i can name a few. The refreshing thing is they're more civil & actually attempt to back up their positions with sources & intelligent arguments. In fact, i have to admit they pushed MY buttons a couple of times, & it's usually the other way around. It was easier to spot 'em on the ...

Naomi replies on May 4, 2019:

Hello. Yes, I can be a little mischievous contrarian, sometimes. :D I'm actually not a leftist, nor am I a rightist. I basically don't like the polarisation of pinions or identity-based approaches. Oh how I hate identity politics! I like mingling with all sorts of people with all sorts of views as long as they are valid. I believe that what I don't know is often in opinions that are different or opposite to mine. Talking of leftists, I'm under the impression that there is a perception of leftists being the same as SJWs, particularly in the US? It is a shame because there are decent leftists who have valid points which are worth debating.

‘Blind’ NYT guided by anti-Semites: Israeli cartoonist draws response to controversial sketch ...

Babou comments on May 4, 2019:

A Likud rally member was seen some years ago with a rally sign showing political opponent Yitzhak Rabin dressed in the SS uniform of Heinrich Himmler. Flyers went out with that image as well. It’s Israeli politics as usual. Anywhere else that would have been quashed as three kinds of hate speech, ...

Naomi replies on May 4, 2019:

Hello. Thanks ever so much for your input. Hypocrisy - hell yes! That's what I'm talking about. Sometimes it is hard to be honest and admit hypocrisy of which we are all guilty.

I noticed this new thing by the admin today: De-grouped Posts "These are posts that were removed ...

Marta-Amance comments on May 4, 2019:

I suppose if a number of group members "flag" a post or if the moderator decides the post is not the ideals of the group, then the post is removed. I understand that the subject matter of a group is impaired when posts too far afield of the norm and merely serve to waste the group's time. Given ...

Naomi replies on May 4, 2019:

Hello. "More to their liking" - tricky, eh?

"Toxic Femininity" is REAL. Here's proof. - YouTube

Boardwine comments on May 3, 2019:

3rd wave feminism is certainly toxic. I’d assume women still want men. It certainly seemed that way to me. After my first wife passed I hadn’t dated in 18 years. But once I started I was very popular. Much to my surprise. I’m not unusually attractive but I am a very traditional man. It seems ...

Naomi replies on May 4, 2019:

Like plumbing skills, you mean...:P

Caster Semenya loses landmark legal case against IAAF over testosterone levels | Sport | The ...

Boardwine comments on May 4, 2019:

Great to see discussion! This is exactly what I hoped for when I started this page! Smart people looking at things from different perspectives. IDW is getting it right!

Naomi replies on May 4, 2019:

I thank YOU for creating this open discussion group.

Socialism/communism Works ?

Naomi comments on May 2, 2019:

Hello. I understand that communism is a form of socialism and socialism is not exactly the same as communism, but many people use these words interchangeably, which I think is too simplistic. I also think you're right about possible fear-mongering about socialism/communism - could it be ...

Naomi replies on May 4, 2019:

Hello. Thank you for your insightful input. When a government is relatively big because it supports socialistic programmes yet it does not interfere with individual citizens' rights, I would say that individual liberty is protected dependent on the big but sensible government. For example, apart from the Nordic model, the UK has a national healthcare system; it is supported by tax payers and medical treatment is free at the point of delivery (there have been many problems with the NHS recently, and it could be discussed under a different post). And you may be surprised but Japan also has a national healthcare system. In the UK, you sometimes hear people say "I have a bit of socialist in me" or something like that, but it doesn't mean that they are Marxists, of course not; it is to do with the from-cradle-to-grave aspect of the British history, so context definitely matters. So, I have reservations about the notion that the adoption of socialistic ideas always eventually lead to totalitarianism. Also, the interchangeable use of socialism and communism is too simplistic and seems to be contributing to the polarisation of opinions. Talking of totalitarianism, the UK is becoming more and more like an authoritarian society controlled by a political correct government and Silicon Valley giants; freedom of speech is under vicious attack if not already dead, and while I was wondering if neoliberalism would eventually lead to fascism, someone showed me this footage. Isn't this amazing? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2sMoykZ-lM=youtu.be=IwAR0uWSWMIN8mka98twwn3G1HejfTC3dP-tUEak8IberFLXiA2pTMTLITLaw .

Pastor Steven Anderson Tells Jesse Lee He Can Go to Hell! (Debate on Sin, Hate, & Homosexuals) - ...

Marta-Amance comments on May 3, 2019:

I like Jessie Lee, a very good and down to earth guy. But this debate over the correct interpretation of scripture is a little much. It has always been a problem with every religion.

Naomi replies on May 4, 2019:

Have you seen Steven Anderson preaching? This pastor's views are very extreme.

How do we get people on the Left

TommyB comments on May 3, 2019:

They're here i can name a few. The refreshing thing is they're more civil & actually attempt to back up their positions with sources & intelligent arguments. In fact, i have to admit they pushed MY buttons a couple of times, & it's usually the other way around. It was easier to spot 'em on the ...

Naomi replies on May 4, 2019:

Yes, I have. ;)

Paul Joseph Watson banned by Facebook

Marta-Amance comments on May 3, 2019:

Those that like by Facebook shall die by Facebook. So PJW got banned by Facebook, why is that news? We knew that would happen eventually. Indeed, we have been watching the pride of the "technological" elite tell us how smart they are and how they know best for the world. Now we see the plans to ...

Naomi replies on May 3, 2019:

You sound apathetic...

"Toxic Femininity" is REAL. Here's proof. - YouTube

Boardwine comments on May 3, 2019:

3rd wave feminism is certainly toxic. I’d assume women still want men. It certainly seemed that way to me. After my first wife passed I hadn’t dated in 18 years. But once I started I was very popular. Much to my surprise. I’m not unusually attractive but I am a very traditional man. It seems ...

Naomi replies on May 3, 2019:

In my simple mind, man and woman are complementary to each other, just like two sides of the same coin. :)

Over 5000 posters flood Johannesburg threatening Whites [newsoweto.co.za]

Naomi comments on May 3, 2019:

Are you safe yourself...?

Naomi replies on May 3, 2019:

The UK is in the middle of Brexit chaos, and I don't know anything about the legal side of things for your sister trying to emigrate to the UK. Best wishes to you and your Mum and sister.

Socialism/communism Works ?

Naomi comments on May 2, 2019:

Hello. I understand that communism is a form of socialism and socialism is not exactly the same as communism, but many people use these words interchangeably, which I think is too simplistic. I also think you're right about possible fear-mongering about socialism/communism - could it be ...

Naomi replies on May 3, 2019:

Hello. I said "socialistic" meaning having socialist tendencies.

Caster Semenya loses landmark legal case against IAAF over testosterone levels | Sport | The ...

DrN1 comments on May 1, 2019:

There is nothing inherently natural or normal about sport. Sport is a social construction, its normative assumptions are a form of psycho- social programming to maintain societies self image and its peoples aspirations and ethical norms. I prefer football.

Naomi replies on May 3, 2019:

Hello Marta-Amance, RichardLeigh and DrN1. I agree that everything is politicised and monetised; education and arts are the same. With regard to "fairness in competition", I wonder how we can define it. If it is about the standardisation of competing ability, or the equal effect thereof, would that be like saying all athletes on the same race have to have the same length of legs in order to compete equally...?

Paul Joseph Watson banned by Facebook

DrN1 comments on May 2, 2019:

ok were not supposed call people names because thats not proper rational debate but this fucking wingeing irritating moaning blathering fuckwit arsehole narcissistic wheedle bum dick harry cunt's name is Paul Joseph Watson.

Naomi replies on May 2, 2019:

There, there...

Sargon of Akkad and the Dirty Smear Merchants, Vegan Feminist 'Man Tax' Cafe is Kaputt! - YouTube

Boardwine comments on May 2, 2019:

I've never seen her before. Thanks for posting this. I'll subscribing to her channel. I think we need more women, especially on youtube, doing social commentary that's actually based in reality.

Naomi replies on May 2, 2019:

Hello. I'm glad you enjoyed watching it.

Muslim Man Marrying a Non-Muslim Women | Yusuf Estes - YouTube

DrN1 comments on May 2, 2019:

Submission to the Laws of God as conveyed by "The Book", and enforced by a Hierarchy. That is common to all of the Abrahamic Religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. The status of women is also secondary. This Sheikh explains it very well in a humourous avuncular way. Interesting.

Naomi replies on May 2, 2019:

LOL!

Caster Semenya loses landmark legal case against IAAF over testosterone levels | Sport | The ...

DrN1 comments on May 1, 2019:

There is nothing inherently natural or normal about sport. Sport is a social construction, its normative assumptions are a form of psycho- social programming to maintain societies self image and its peoples aspirations and ethical norms. I prefer football.

Naomi replies on May 2, 2019:

She's a great athlete, not pretty though... sorry!

Muslim Man Marrying a Non-Muslim Women | Yusuf Estes - YouTube

DrN1 comments on May 2, 2019:

Submission to the Laws of God as conveyed by "The Book", and enforced by a Hierarchy. That is common to all of the Abrahamic Religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. The status of women is also secondary. This Sheikh explains it very well in a humourous avuncular way. Interesting.

Naomi replies on May 2, 2019:

Hello. You make a good point. I often wonder how Christian feminism and Christian egalitarianism sit within Christianity...

Caster Semenya loses landmark legal case against IAAF over testosterone levels | Sport | The ...

DrN1 comments on May 1, 2019:

There is nothing inherently natural or normal about sport. Sport is a social construction, its normative assumptions are a form of psycho- social programming to maintain societies self image and its peoples aspirations and ethical norms. I prefer football.

Naomi replies on May 2, 2019:

Hello DrN1 and RichardLeigh. In Caster's case, she was born "biologically female" who happens to naturally have a high level of testosterone; it's not like she boosts the testosterone level artificially. Isn't that therefore simply a "genetic advantage", just like some people are so tall that they make good basketball players?

Caster Semenya loses landmark legal case against IAAF over testosterone levels | Sport | The ...

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Naomi replies on May 1, 2019:

Hello. It's too tangled to untangle...

‘Blind’ NYT guided by anti-Semites: Israeli cartoonist draws response to controversial sketch ...

MickeyRat comments on Apr 30, 2019:

Freedom of Speech only means you are free from prosecution for speech. You are free to say things that are insulting, offensive, anti-government, etc. and as long as you aren't physically threatening anyone or inciting violence, you won't be arrested or fined. However, that doesn't mean you can ...

Naomi replies on May 1, 2019:

I don't think any press would ever dare publish any cartoon making a mockery of Islam; an example was made of Charlie Hebdo in 2006.

‘Blind’ NYT guided by anti-Semites: Israeli cartoonist draws response to controversial sketch ...

MickeyRat comments on Apr 30, 2019:

Freedom of Speech only means you are free from prosecution for speech. You are free to say things that are insulting, offensive, anti-government, etc. and as long as you aren't physically threatening anyone or inciting violence, you won't be arrested or fined. However, that doesn't mean you can ...

Naomi replies on May 1, 2019:

Thanks for your thoughts. I believe that the essence of journalism has been lost, and somehow your comment supports it.

‘Blind’ NYT guided by anti-Semites: Israeli cartoonist draws response to controversial sketch ...

RegnadKcin comments on May 1, 2019:

Not a fan of the company called 'The New York Slimes' by The Great One.

Naomi replies on May 1, 2019:

LOL!

So IDW now insists on a member joining a "Group/groups" where the moderator can remove your posts if...

fisherman0707 comments on May 1, 2019:

Why they doing this what your thoughts?

Naomi replies on May 1, 2019:

Hello. I believe that the admin has been overwhelmed by the number of general posts and he can no longer moderate the posts by himself, so he decided to group us and share his tasks with group moderators.

Trunews.com Christian Americans are told to hate Muslims - YouTube

Boardwine comments on May 1, 2019:

I've never heard of him.

Naomi replies on May 1, 2019:

Lol, I've just found him by accident.

Trunews.com Christian Americans are told to hate Muslims - YouTube

Marta-Amance comments on May 1, 2019:

WTF? Let me get this straight, there are Jews and then there are Zionists? But the Zionists are Jews who are terrorists? And Muslims are really good guys who protect our rights to worship as we please? I think I missed a few hundred years of history here. Nice try, but no cigar.

Naomi replies on May 1, 2019:

Hello. I was intrigued by this video. Is Rick Wiles known in the US? Wikipedia describes him as a racist, but I don't always regard Wikipedia as a reliable source. I wonder what kind of people are his followers.

‘Blind’ NYT guided by anti-Semites: Israeli cartoonist draws response to controversial sketch ...

Marta-Amance comments on May 1, 2019:

Journalism is about entertainment and he who is the most entertaining win the prize, mainly financial rewards. I remember the sage words that an idea, theatrical work, film, etc, wouldn't play in Peroia. The meaning that mainstream Americans were not libertine enough to accept such work, that ...

Naomi replies on May 1, 2019:

I feel the essence of journalism is long gone.

‘Blind’ NYT guided by anti-Semites: Israeli cartoonist draws response to controversial sketch ...

MickeyRat comments on Apr 30, 2019:

Freedom of Speech only means you are free from prosecution for speech. You are free to say things that are insulting, offensive, anti-government, etc. and as long as you aren't physically threatening anyone or inciting violence, you won't be arrested or fined. However, that doesn't mean you can ...

Naomi replies on Apr 30, 2019:

So, going back to the OP, NYT apologised on Sunday for the Trump-Netanyahu cartoon being "deeply offensive" especially to the Jewish community. The cartoon doesn't incite violence by any stretch of the imagination, so why do you think NYT apologised? (I don't live in America, so I'm kind of hoping that perhaps you can tell me what actually happened.) Do you think NYT would also have apologised for publishing a sarcastic cartoon about Islam being "deeply offensive", especially to the Muslim community? Both Charlie Hebdo and NYT are journalistic organisations and they have a duty to defend freedom of expression.

‘Blind’ NYT guided by anti-Semites: Israeli cartoonist draws response to controversial sketch ...

Naomi comments on Apr 30, 2019:

Do you think we are consciously or subconsciously accepting double standard while we *think* we support free speech? (I know I'm a hypocrite for all sorts of reasons.) https://anonhq.com/charlie-hebdo-fired-anti-semitic-cartoonist-ridiculing-judaism-2009/

Naomi replies on Apr 30, 2019:

Hello, thank you for your input. Not quite sure what you're saying... Are you saying that it is OK to make a mockery of Islam because it's just funny, but it is not OK to do the same to Judaism because it's offensive? Similarly, would you say that it is OK to take the mickey out of Buddhism, but it is not OK to do the same to Judaism? I thought satire was a Jewish speciality. lol

‘Blind’ NYT guided by anti-Semites: Israeli cartoonist draws response to controversial sketch ...

MickeyRat comments on Apr 30, 2019:

Freedom of Speech only means you are free from prosecution for speech. You are free to say things that are insulting, offensive, anti-government, etc. and as long as you aren't physically threatening anyone or inciting violence, you won't be arrested or fined. However, that doesn't mean you can ...

Naomi replies on Apr 30, 2019:

Do you have any thought on the point these cartoons are making?

‘Blind’ NYT guided by anti-Semites: Israeli cartoonist draws response to controversial sketch ...

RobBlair comments on Apr 30, 2019:

"The New York Times, a former newspaper ..." and "The New York Times and Democrats, but I repeat myself, ..." - Klavan Not offended at all. Frustrated that our form of Pravda remains a cited source by people that should know better. But reforming our press is a process that will take time.

Naomi replies on Apr 30, 2019:

Hello. I was saying to chuckpo that NYT actually apologised on Sunday for publishing the cartoon for being "deeply offensive". I wonder why they couldn't stand by the freedom of expression... I was reminded of Charlie Hebdo's controversial Muhammad cartoons and the subsequent terrorist attacks - it was more than 10 years ago. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/28/business/ny-times-anti-semitic-cartoon.html

‘Blind’ NYT guided by anti-Semites: Israeli cartoonist draws response to controversial sketch ...

chuckpo comments on Apr 30, 2019:

This stuff is never as simple as that. Right now, the mainstream media is an arm of one political party, and as such put out a controlling narrative. They're manipulating people. The cartoon could just be a snarky political observation or it could be part of this coordinated effort to manipulate the...

Naomi replies on Apr 30, 2019:

Hello. Thank you for your insightful input. As an outsider, I much appreciate it. I also found an article saying that NYT actually apologised on Sunday for publishing the cartoon for being "deeply offensive". I wonder why they couldn't stand by the freedom of expression... I was reminded of Charlie Hebdo's controversial Muhammad cartoons and the subsequent terrorist attacks - it was more than 10 years ago. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/28/business/ny-times-anti-semitic-cartoon.html

Ex Muslim reacts to Jordan Peterson on Islam - YouTube

Rookie comments on Apr 30, 2019:

Really enjoyed this video. I have just begun looking into the beliefs and values that surround Islam, so I found this very insightful. Thank you.

Naomi replies on Apr 30, 2019:

Glad you enjoyed it. I too started looking into different religious beliefs. I have no strong attachment to any religion, so I can stay objective. I have no doubt that Islam is a very problematic religion, but I also feel that the demonisation of the religion is so great that moderate Muslims and ex-Muslims are not being heard enough. I would like to see more Muslims, like Waleed Wain and the gentleman in the audience who asked the question, come forward ready to take criticism of their religion so that it could evolve from within. Incidentally, there are some individuals and groups who are trying to reform/modernise Islam, including Tawhidi, of course. I hope they will succeed in the future.

Ex Muslim reacts to Jordan Peterson on Islam - YouTube

RobBlair comments on Apr 29, 2019:

In Christianity, the greatest commandment is Love God and Love your neighbor as yourself (Mark 12:30-1 paraphrased). In spite of this, the history of the church is scattered with many acts of violence and barbarism where one can clearly say the church moved itself away from Christianity. In ...

Naomi replies on Apr 30, 2019:

With all due respect, I have to come to my own conclusion, and until then, I shall not exhibit what I think I know about Islam and Muslim people, plus, I am not naive about Islam reform by any stretch of imagination . The reason I posted the original video is to point out that like Waleed Wain and the gentleman who asked JP the question are ready to take criticism of their own religion - surely, you can understand how hard it is to have your god criticised. I happen to have some knowledge about Japanese history; in the 16th century in feudal Japan, Christianity was perceived as "indoctrination" and was banned, and I would imagine that many Christians feel uneasy about this. When there is a lot of subjectivity involved, it becomes difficult to understand in a certain context and relativity, of course. But anyway, that's besides the point. I would like to see more young Muslims like Waleed Wain, the gentleman in the audience and Tez Ilyas and I sincerely hope that those reformers will achieve their goals in the future. Thanks again for your input.

The Daily Mail Smear Carl Benjamin - THE FACTS - Google Docs

InternetDorkWeb comments on Apr 29, 2019:

It’s everybody's fault but his own. Have some personal responsibility, Carl.

Naomi replies on Apr 30, 2019:

Hello. You make a good point. CB is a free speech absolutist, and as soon as he stood as an MEP candidate, he started getting backlashes against him for the comments he made a few years ago. He is still sticking to his guns and is suing those who have been taking his comments out of context and using them to smear him. I don't know if he was predicting this would happen to him, but he's demonstrating an example of how difficult it actually is to stick to the principle of freedom of speech.

Ex Muslim reacts to Jordan Peterson on Islam - YouTube

RobBlair comments on Apr 29, 2019:

In Christianity, the greatest commandment is Love God and Love your neighbor as yourself (Mark 12:30-1 paraphrased). In spite of this, the history of the church is scattered with many acts of violence and barbarism where one can clearly say the church moved itself away from Christianity. In ...

Naomi replies on Apr 29, 2019:

Hello, thank you for your contribution - I read it with interest. I believe that Muhammad became a warlord as such when he reached Medina and his words became very political. I am currently reading "Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now" by Ayaan Hirsi Ali. In her book she makes clear distinctions among Muslims; Mecca Muslims, Medina Muslims and so on. Also, I had pleasure getting acquainted with Muslims in the past, and I've come to realise that it is not true that Muslims do not integrate - they do. Therefore, I no longer talk of Muslims as collective and stay away from the narrative against Muslims, which is constantly put out by the media, so that I do not become insular. I am not against obtaining information and knowledge from intellectuals and academic literature, but I always find stories of ordinary people about their experiences more telling. Here is an interesting clip. Not all, not all, not all, but most British Muslims are great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH4oKB06vrM

Stunning Wood Art amazing - YouTube

MarSza comments on Apr 29, 2019:

I can do that. It got me longing and craving for carving.:) It is single activity that could keep me quiet and stuck in one spot for hours if not days:) Love it.

Naomi replies on Apr 29, 2019:

Wow! Show us once you've made one. I'll look forward to it. X

Ex Muslim reacts to Jordan Peterson on Islam - YouTube

Chicago comments on Apr 29, 2019:

There are no warlords in the Bible. Abraham, Moses, Jacob were not warlords. They didn't take property by violence. Abraham purchased the land for burying Sara he didn't fight for it. Jacob and Isaac didn't war against other communities in order to steal their property, take slaves or women. If you ...

Naomi replies on Apr 29, 2019:

I think your view of Islam is generally accepted by many, including myself, but it only scratches the surface. Some time ago, I became aware that there are individuals and groups who have been trying to reform and modernise Islam from within. Maajid Usman Nawaz, Salim Mansur, Mohammad Tawhidi to name the few. Including Waleed Wain in the video, they know Islam inside out, and I believe that Islam reform includes the removal of Hadith. I have to read the Qur'an to learn more about the religion and learn more about those reformer/modernisers, and until then, I will not conclude that Islam is something that cannot be reformed. I simply haven't got enough knowledge to make that judgement yet. I also appreciate that Jordan Peterson does not pretend that he knows enough about Islam in the video. He delivered this speech a fairly long time ago, so he may have researched more about Islam ever since. I remember JP said he would take at least three years to be able to talk about Resurrection. He is always a careful, thorough thinker.

Ex Muslim reacts to Jordan Peterson on Islam - YouTube

Chicago comments on Apr 29, 2019:

There are no warlords in the Bible. Abraham, Moses, Jacob were not warlords. They didn't take property by violence. Abraham purchased the land for burying Sara he didn't fight for it. Jacob and Isaac didn't war against other communities in order to steal their property, take slaves or women. If you ...

Naomi replies on Apr 29, 2019:

Hello, thanks for your input. I'm afraid I don't have extensive knowledge about Christianity, and therefore I shall refrain myself from respond. However, since you're a Christian of the "Reformed" Faith, I see just that the man in the video hopes for the possibility of reformed Islam.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali on Islamophobia (THUG LIFE Remix ) - YouTube

Gerri4321 comments on Apr 28, 2019:

Again there are different sects in many religions Islam included. Not all Muslims follow Mahammads teaching. We are hear to learn together http://www.orvillejenkins.com/outlineintro/types.html

Naomi replies on Apr 29, 2019:

Maybe I didn't make myself clear. I said "Muslims need to have courage...". What I meant by that is criticism has to come from within as well as from outside, i.e., they have to have enough courage to criticise their own religion, hence the effort to reform and modernise Islam. However, it is easier said than done because criticising Islam or having varied interpretations of it means death; that's how absolute the religion of Islam is. Some time ago in the UK, there was a Muslim (Mecca) shopkeeper who was liked by everybody, Muslims and non-Muslims alike. I guess his interaction with infidels was against the literal interpretation of the Qur'an. When this became apparent (because he posted a Christmas message or a photo of himself with a non-Muslim customer on FB... I can't remember exactly), another Muslim (Medina) traveled miles and miles to kill him.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali on Islamophobia (THUG LIFE Remix ) - YouTube

Gerri4321 comments on Apr 28, 2019:

Again there are different sects in many religions Islam included. Not all Muslims follow Mahammads teaching. We are hear to learn together http://www.orvillejenkins.com/outlineintro/types.html

Naomi replies on Apr 29, 2019:

Regardless of what sect, Muslims need to have courage and learn to accept criticism of Islam, and then, there will be no such thing as Islamophobia. I understand that is Ayaan's point.

The Left continued attack on free speech is very concerning.

Gerri4321 comments on Apr 28, 2019:

Fear is exactly what is wanted, to the point we are unwilling to defend anything free speech is a avinew to taking more rights away if not defended

Naomi replies on Apr 28, 2019:

The big question is how to defend it...

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tigercake comments on Apr 28, 2019:

Very impressive.

Naomi replies on Apr 28, 2019:

A little too futuristic to my liking, but heigh-ho, it seems to be working well for Singapore.

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tigercake comments on Apr 28, 2019:

There you go! Creative and effective.

Naomi replies on Apr 28, 2019:

Yes, a wonderful idea, don't think?

Britain's Version Of 'Medicare For All' Is Struggling With Long Waits For Care

Jaycee2010 comments on Apr 8, 2019:

The welfare system in the UK used to work, until we allowed the EU to force us to allow millions of migrants into the UK. How can a small country possibly sustain taking care of millions of extra people who burden our healthcare system without every paying in, it was a recipe for disaster. Another ...

Naomi replies on Apr 28, 2019:

I would also add a demographic factor; the UK has an increasing aging population and a relatively high birthrate. In other words, the number of tax payers and the number of to-be-provided-for are out of balance.

The Ten Commandments for Muslims

Nador321 comments on Apr 27, 2019:

11. Apostasy is the new Islam

Naomi replies on Apr 27, 2019:

I believe that so-called peaceful Muslims (Mecca Muslims and cultural Muslims) secretly wish Islam to be reformed, but they can't support such a movement openly - their lives will be threatened by Medina Muslims... Reformed and modernised Islam would be respected as much as other religions like Christianity and Buddhism, then.

The Ten Commandments for Muslims

Nador321 comments on Apr 27, 2019:

11. Apostasy is the new Islam

Naomi replies on Apr 27, 2019:

Oh, I so wish they had courage to abandon Islam!

Fellow group members, Since the general posting forum on this site has been discontinued, I have ...

Garsco comments on Apr 25, 2019:

Posting only in groups has made things more cumbersome. One can find posts from others not in one’s own group but the path is much longer to find them. Judging from my Alerts, many members must be unsure of how to navigate this site now. Activity seems to have slowed to a crawl and I fear the ...

Naomi replies on Apr 27, 2019:

Couldn't agree more, sir!

Fellow group members, Since the general posting forum on this site has been discontinued, I have ...

Boardwine comments on Apr 25, 2019:

I don't like change! It frightens me.Well...actually it annoys me because I'm easily confused and a creature of habit. So if there is no general site wide viewing option how can we foster dialog with people that may not be in a group or group set that we belong to? Is there a concern that we're ...

Naomi replies on Apr 27, 2019:

Hear, hear! Groups, tribes, echo chambers, confirmation bias... not good.

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Crikey comments on Apr 22, 2019:

First definition of "direct action" I pulled up was "the use of strikes, demonstrations, and other forms of public protest rather than negotiation to achieve one's demands". I'll assume that is the definition you are working from. Plenty of examples. Independence movements in places like India, ...

Naomi replies on Apr 26, 2019:

Actually, that's a good point - it's certainly more significant when "ordinary people" take direct action rather than lobbyist. But then, look at Yellow Vests. 23 weekends have gone, the protest has become violent, there has been so much vandalism on the streets of Paris, the local businesses have been affected badly, tourists have been deterred, the French government hasn't paid much attention to them, etc., etc... Basically, so far, they haven't achieved anything but worsening the local economy and interfering badly with the locals' livelihood. When direct action continues to fail or has little effect like this, what do you think is lacking? Leadership? Strategy?

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Crikey comments on Apr 22, 2019:

First definition of "direct action" I pulled up was "the use of strikes, demonstrations, and other forms of public protest rather than negotiation to achieve one's demands". I'll assume that is the definition you are working from. Plenty of examples. Independence movements in places like India, ...

Naomi replies on Apr 26, 2019:

I thank you, @Crikey, for presenting your views. I feel I learned a lot. I actually sympathise with people who take direct action as the last resort, provided that they have legitimate reasons and clear objectives so that negotiations are brought to the table in a constructive manner by both sides. Meanwhile, direct action can be a "good intention-bad idea" case.; it matters to me how well direct action is received by others while how badly it interferes with others' livelihood. I keep thinking there should be an alternative way, or direct action could work more efficiently and effectively if it was organised with thorough plans, more professional strategies and stronger leadership. Thanks again!

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Username69 comments on Apr 16, 2019:

Yep. I have started to be more overt about my politics at work and people shut their mouths pretty quick when they realize that’s not everyone is a msnbc drone.

Naomi replies on Apr 26, 2019:

That's excellent. I rarely get involved in an argument with anybody, but I shall remember your tactics. Thank you!

I have a questions that popped into my mind after reading about the new IDW post policy.

MickeyRat comments on Apr 25, 2019:

True 100% freedom is freedom without responsibility. We aren't wired for that and we couldn't live with each other in that state. Babies are free. They can do what they want. They can demand anything they can conceive of but, they can't conceive much and they can't communicate it. I don't want ...

Naomi replies on Apr 25, 2019:

Whether or not we need a government to grant us rights and protect them for us, to me, there is a correlation between right and responsibility. I define right as an entitlement; you're entitled to something. And when you're entitled to something, there is someone who is responsible to ensure that you get that "something". So, similarly, your baby is entitled to freedom to live (right to live) means you're responsible as a parent, to protect that entitlement (right) for your baby, hence the correlation between right and responsibility - in my opinion, anyway.

Peterson has said, "I act as if God exists." What does this mean to you?

An_Ominous comments on Apr 25, 2019:

Jordan Peterson's view is well... better than mine, and certainly expressed more articulately... but here's my perspective anyway. I came to a similar conclusion on my own some years ago. Mine is... you have to live your life as if there is an Afterlife. If you believe we are purely and merely...

Naomi replies on Apr 25, 2019:

Yes, @purdyday, Buddhism seems to focus more on previous life rather than afterlife, hence karma as in your current life is the consequence of your previous life...

I have a questions that popped into my mind after reading about the new IDW post policy.

MickeyRat comments on Apr 25, 2019:

True 100% freedom is freedom without responsibility. We aren't wired for that and we couldn't live with each other in that state. Babies are free. They can do what they want. They can demand anything they can conceive of but, they can't conceive much and they can't communicate it. I don't want ...

Naomi replies on Apr 25, 2019:

@MickeyRat, @chuckpo We also have to consider rights as well as choices - your baby's right to live free is your responsibility...

Peterson has said, "I act as if God exists." What does this mean to you?

An_Ominous comments on Apr 25, 2019:

Jordan Peterson's view is well... better than mine, and certainly expressed more articulately... but here's my perspective anyway. I came to a similar conclusion on my own some years ago. Mine is... you have to live your life as if there is an Afterlife. If you believe we are purely and merely...

Naomi replies on Apr 25, 2019:

You know, there is a Buddhist saying "you define death, you define life", or something along those lines. In Buddhism, they don't seem to talk much about afterlife (I may be wrong). The notion is that when you understand death, you finally understand the significance of life... deeeeep!

Yellow Vest in Paris, Extinction Rebellion in London, etc.

Organicplum comments on Apr 24, 2019:

Biggest one that sticks in my mind was the poll tax one in uk

Naomi replies on Apr 25, 2019:

Yes, the riots were in such a scale that they helped abolish the poll tax. The level of violence was horrendous, though...

Just sick to death with leftist agendas crammed down our throats, political correctness, and the ...

Username69 comments on Apr 16, 2019:

Yep. I have started to be more overt about my politics at work and people shut their mouths pretty quick when they realize that’s not everyone is a msnbc drone.

Naomi replies on Apr 25, 2019:

Well, it seems to be working for Username69, though...

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Bikecop24 comments on Apr 22, 2019:

Peaceful events are helpful. We don't need antifa style protests.

Naomi replies on Apr 24, 2019:

Strategies! That's what's missing, don't you think? I think with the right kind of strategies, along with strong leadership and thorough planning, direct action should work more effectively and efficiently so that protesters' voices are properly heard and negotiations are swiftly brought to the table. Probably easier said than done, though. but there are professional strategists.

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Rosalindenglish comments on Apr 23, 2019:

No. It creates rubbish for landfill, tonnes of waste plastic, and gives people a sense of "something being done". Young people thinking of protesting these issues should consider helping out at their local recycling centre, boycotting Chinese goods, never taking international flights, and even ...

Naomi replies on Apr 24, 2019:

Welcome to the community! You know what - we could do with more British sarcasm and dry sense of humour (and British English spelling!). LOL!

It's OK to say...(all together everyone!)

CRBG comments on Apr 23, 2019:

Clinton, Obama, every msm news service in the West refrained from identifying the victims as "Christians". Let's contrast that with the way Christchurch condolences were offered. Here: Fixed it.

Naomi replies on Apr 24, 2019:

I have to say that I am less familiar with the American politics; I live in the UK. With regard to playing identity politics and PC. The right are just as bad in the UK... Thanks for your insightful input - interesting.

It's OK to say...(all together everyone!)

CRBG comments on Apr 23, 2019:

Clinton, Obama, every msm news service in the West refrained from identifying the victims as "Christians". Let's contrast that with the way Christchurch condolences were offered. Here: Fixed it.

Naomi replies on Apr 24, 2019:

Political correctness - what's that? LOL I do go along with your argument, quite happily, but I have reservations about talking of Muslims (and Christians) as collective. When we paint a bad picture of Muslims in association with gang rape, ghettoisation, imposing of Sharia Law, etc., which is typical rhetoric against ALL Muslims, we walk right into identity politics. This is also the rhetoric that conveniently leaves out Muslims who contribute themselves to the Western world they belong to; I'm sure you can find some if not many in your country in various fields; academia, business, art, music, sports, film, comedy, science, armed forces, and the list goes on. (There are loads in America.)

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Organicplum comments on Apr 24, 2019:

Biggest one that sticks in my mind was the poll tax one in uk

Naomi replies on Apr 24, 2019:

Hi. Oh, I forgot about that one. Poll tax riots! Far from peaceful protests. I don't know what you make of it, because poll tax was subsequently abolished but it still remains in the form of council tax... So, do you think the riots helped achieve the purpose?

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Pate49 comments on Apr 23, 2019:

Protests are always the precursor for armed rebellions because they achieve nothing. The State in essence is violence and the only way to convince the State of your sovereignty is to meet it with the same tactics it uses itself. The French Government will meet as little of the demands as possible to...

Naomi replies on Apr 23, 2019:

Hello. Yes, I can see your logic. Thank you.

It's OK to say...(all together everyone!)

Kristian comments on Apr 23, 2019:

I have people saying that to me every day. They just don’t know how to spell it properly.

Naomi replies on Apr 23, 2019:

I sympathize (or sympathise in British English)... English isn't even my mother tongue. LOL!

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Bikecop24 comments on Apr 22, 2019:

Peaceful events are helpful. We don't need antifa style protests.

Naomi replies on Apr 23, 2019:

Hello. Thanks for your input. I hear you, but no, still no for me. I still struggle to justify the disruptions protesters cause however great their principles, etc. may be (and I may well agree with them). For example, there are people who are seriously ill and if they can't get the medicines they need in time due to delayed deliveries because roads are blocked by protesters, etc., there is no excuse for the protesters. Imagine your little girl falls seriously ill or was injured in an accident and an ambulance can't get to you quickly enough because the roads are blocked by protesters. Is that a price you're prepared to pay? If they must protest and demonstrate, they must think it through, plan well, have strategies, and most of all be pragmatic. Otherwise, to me it is wrong to sacrifice the innocent for whatever principles protesters want to stand for.

It's OK to say...(all together everyone!)

CRBG comments on Apr 23, 2019:

Clinton, Obama, every msm news service in the West refrained from identifying the victims as "Christians". Let's contrast that with the way Christchurch condolences were offered. Here: Fixed it.

Naomi replies on Apr 23, 2019:

Nice one! On a serious note, I'm concerned about this Christians vs Muslims narrative. It's very divisive and I fear that it is doing nothing but stoke hatred between the two...

It's OK to say...(all together everyone!)

Gerri4321 comments on Apr 23, 2019:

Is any one who is unwilling to say Christian anti-christian now? See were this can be a new pushed agenda I was raised Christian I am still searching for the right place to worship I don't want to be preached at about the word of GOD I wish to be taught the word of JESUS CHRIST TO BE RECIEVED BY ...

Naomi replies on Apr 23, 2019:

Somebody else posted this video here. "Christians" seem to be replaced by "Easter worshippers"... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNm9JZ_joBE

It's OK to say...(all together everyone!)

RobBlair comments on Apr 23, 2019:

You mean those Sunday Assemblers?

Naomi replies on Apr 23, 2019:

And Easter worshippers.

Yellow Vest in Paris, Extinction Rebellion in London, etc.

Bikecop24 comments on Apr 22, 2019:

Peaceful events are helpful. We don't need antifa style protests.

Naomi replies on Apr 23, 2019:

Hello, thanks for your input. You make a very good point. Whatever the principle, cause, attainment, etc. I always struggle to justify the disruptions caused by protesters, which ultimately interfere with people's livelihood, and you provide a very good example. I can't help thinking surely there are other ways to get messages across than direct action but I don't know what... Frustrating!

Yellow Vest in Paris, Extinction Rebellion in London, etc.

Bikecop24 comments on Apr 22, 2019:

Peaceful events are helpful. We don't need antifa style protests.

Naomi replies on Apr 23, 2019:

Hello. Gosh, you've read my mind! The climate change protest has been going on in London for a week now, and I've been feeling rather irritated because of the very point you make - people's lives. The protesters have been vandalizing public/private properties, gluing themselves to trains, marching into the airport in an attempt to stop flights, blocking the bridge, etc., etc. They may be able to "afford" to be out protesting day in day out, but many of us have to go to work, earn money and put food on the table for the family. There are customers waiting to be served, deliveries to be made, patients to be treated, people needing urgent attention in emergency situations, lonely old people looking forward to seeing their carers and being washed and fed, and so on and so on. I struggle to justify disruptions deliberately caused by protesters.

Who loves Judge Judy? I do!

MADcHATTER comments on Apr 22, 2019:

Absolutely love her! She's totally hard case!

Naomi replies on Apr 23, 2019:

I wish I could treat idiots the blunt way she does. LOL

How is Imam Mohamad Tawhidi perceived in Australia? Is he a genuine Islam reformer?

JacintaL comments on Apr 22, 2019:

Awake now! Good morning form Oz! Tawidi’s had a fairly respectable following in Oz, however in saying that sometimes it’s hard to tell given that we operate within an echo chamber (I know I did on FB), so I’d see a lot of memes from other conservatives in my feed. He’s pushing for ...

Naomi replies on Apr 23, 2019:

I know Tawhidi is constantly under death threats, probably by many Medina Muslims (Islamists), and although he has close friends who support him, they don't wish to become public figures like him, and that's understandable. I wonder how many Muslims are "secretly" supporting him... If Islam became more compatible with modern values by reformation, that would be good news for the Mecca Muslims. There is a Muslim gay community in the UK. I don't know how they manage to live by the Quran and stay gay - that's cheating. LOL!

How is Imam Mohamad Tawhidi perceived in Australia? Is he a genuine Islam reformer?

Gerri4321 comments on Apr 22, 2019:

I have been following Iman Tawihi for 4 year's , I have much respect for him, I started I group so people could learn more from and about him.

Naomi replies on Apr 23, 2019:

Hello. Wow, 4 Years! You have a good point. It's important to collect information so that we can have balanced views, and not to blindly walk into general beliefs, narratives, etc. I always feel reluctant about talking of Muslims as collective, knowing that there are people like Tawhidi who are trying to reform Islam from within. However, Islam is indeed a religion of political ideology and Tawhidi is indeed a political figure, I feel I would support him with caution.

How is Imam Mohamad Tawhidi perceived in Australia? Is he a genuine Islam reformer?

Tabithakitten comments on Apr 22, 2019:

I adore him, I wonder how Australia thinks about him too, wow, lots of fun things written here .. yeah for free speech. I love this site.

Naomi replies on Apr 23, 2019:

Hello. Thank you for your input. Wow, that's interesting! Tawhidi is on Facebook with 185,000 likes. I assumed that he was reasonably known - good or bad.

How is Imam Mohamad Tawhidi perceived in Australia? Is he a genuine Islam reformer?

JacintaL comments on Apr 22, 2019:

Awake now! Good morning form Oz! Tawidi’s had a fairly respectable following in Oz, however in saying that sometimes it’s hard to tell given that we operate within an echo chamber (I know I did on FB), so I’d see a lot of memes from other conservatives in my feed. He’s pushing for ...

Naomi replies on Apr 22, 2019:

Good morning! Finally, a comment from Australia. :D Thanks ever so much for your insightful input. It is interesting that Tawhidi's conservative stance on Islam reform still counts; I would've thought most Mecca (moderate) Muslims who live in the West and appreciate Western values support him whether they're left or right. Islam is indeed a religion of political ideology, especially Hadith. Its removal would be great. It's nearly midnight in the UK. Time for me to go to bed. Good night! LOL!

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JobyOneKenobi comments on Apr 22, 2019:

It's all too much these days. Every protest has 2 or 3 protests surrounding it. I can't even keep track of what they are all complaining about. I always just wind up wondering why they can't just expend all that energy at work.

Naomi replies on Apr 22, 2019:

Hello. You could say that again. I can't help thinking that not all, not all, not all but most demonstrations are purely for self-righteousness and self-indulgence.

Where are the Marxists Here? (Zizek vs. Peterson)

Naomi comments on Apr 20, 2019:

I find it interesting that while Karl Marx and Marxism are usually demonized by many instantly (including JP), the Zizek's understanding of both is different. I'm under the impression that Zizek's knowledge of Karl Marx and Marxism is even more extensive than Peterson's.

Naomi replies on Apr 22, 2019:

I wasn't talking about Marx. I was making an observation on Zizek and Peterson.

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An_Ominous comments on Apr 22, 2019:

I don't know if it's this way everywhere but... about 10 years ago I knew of a guy that attended protests as *entertainment.* He learned about various demonstrations on the Internet and if it was within reasonable driving distance away he would go. Then he *reviewed* the protest in his blog. He ...

Naomi replies on Apr 22, 2019:

Hi. You know, you have a point. I happen to believe that there ARE professional protesters as well as those who love joining demonstrations for fun. Just like those who love picking up fights. I know that Antifa get paid to cause disruptions with violence. Plus, even if protests are originally organised and demonstrated by genuinely-concerned people, there is always the risk of being infiltrated or hijacked by extremists or hooligans. It was reported some weeks ago that some peaceful Yellow Vest protesters stopped demonstrating in Paris because of the increasing violence on the streets. They've just had the 22nd weekend and they don't seem to be getting anywhere. I know they want Macron out, and then what? They seem to lack leadership and strategies. As much as I sympathise with them, that's why I started wondering about the effectiveness of demonstrations.

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cRaZyTMG comments on Apr 22, 2019:

Direct Action is the only things that has ever "fixed" society. As for an example. How about Revolutionary War?

Naomi replies on Apr 22, 2019:

Um... not sure if I can justify direct action that way...

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WilyRickWiles comments on Apr 22, 2019:

Yes, the civil rights movement in the United States, for example. It's a way to get media attention and raise awareness. I think that outweighs some people's resentment of protesters.

Naomi replies on Apr 22, 2019:

Hello. I've been thinking...If the main purpose of demonstrations is to get media attention and raise awareness, wouldn't it be just effective (if not more efficient) as demonstrations if we spread the word and started a petition through social media?

Yellow Vest in Paris, Extinction Rebellion in London, etc.

Crikey comments on Apr 22, 2019:

First definition of "direct action" I pulled up was "the use of strikes, demonstrations, and other forms of public protest rather than negotiation to achieve one's demands". I'll assume that is the definition you are working from. Plenty of examples. Independence movements in places like India, ...

Naomi replies on Apr 22, 2019:

So, I've been thinking... Demands may be reasonable, i.e., for civil rights, voting rights, etc., and demonstrations on streets may have visible, inspirational, that kind of effects, but they're rather shot-lived and often lack strategies, plus those demands will have to be brought to discussion and negotiation anyway so that new laws will ultimately be legislated - in a room, not on the street, of course. So, do you think circulating messages, petitions, etc. through social media, for example, is as effective (if not more peaceful) as demonstrations on the streets?

Yellow Vest in Paris, Extinction Rebellion in London, etc.

cRaZyTMG comments on Apr 22, 2019:

Direct Action is the only things that has ever "fixed" society. As for an example. How about Revolutionary War?

Naomi replies on Apr 22, 2019:

Hi. I should've clarified that I mean "direct action" as strikes, demonstrations, etc. Still, when you extend the definition of "direct action" as far as Revolutionary War, would that include and justify terrorist actions in order to achieve goals?