When the Chinese first found the Covid virus in bat populations they isolated it and duplicated it ...

Krunoslav comments on Sep 18, 2020:

My problem is I don't know who to trust. The West has lied about Hong Kong and about Uighur Jihadists just in the last year or so. So I wonder about this Covid-thing. Are they facts or true facts , I wonder. That being said, there is not a single country that has not lied about Covid in some way...

Lightman replies on Sep 19, 2020:

@Krunoslav" But instead its classical response "we were told China is evil and we in the West and moral center of the world", a nice story that casts west as good guys and east as bad guys." That is bullshit, but recent changes in the Chinese government and foreign policy by them is proving that China is indeed a threat to the current world order. As I have proven here. The West's attitude to China for many years has been benign and hopeful.

When the Chinese first found the Covid virus in bat populations they isolated it and duplicated it ...

Krunoslav comments on Sep 18, 2020:

My problem is I don't know who to trust. The West has lied about Hong Kong and about Uighur Jihadists just in the last year or so. So I wonder about this Covid-thing. Are they facts or true facts , I wonder. That being said, there is not a single country that has not lied about Covid in some way...

Lightman replies on Sep 19, 2020:

@Krunoslav ""Why did they not want an independent inquiry into the Corona virus?" Same reason you stated. Americans lie about China" That has nothing to do with the USA.

When the Chinese first found the Covid virus in bat populations they isolated it and duplicated it ...

Krunoslav comments on Sep 18, 2020:

My problem is I don't know who to trust. The West has lied about Hong Kong and about Uighur Jihadists just in the last year or so. So I wonder about this Covid-thing. Are they facts or true facts , I wonder. That being said, there is not a single country that has not lied about Covid in some way...

Lightman replies on Sep 19, 2020:

@Krunoslav I think you will find that I said "war" don't misquote me to create strawmen. I think you will find many are talking about a trade war with the USA, a cold war with the West.. Real military war over territory with India and Taiwan. A war on democracy with Hong Kong... military expansionism in the South China Sea affecting, Vietnam, South Korea, Japan and the Phillipinnes....the list goes on and on and on...

Multiculturalism in Australia (and the rest of the world) Same criticism and same problems the ...

Josf-Kelley comments on Sep 18, 2020:

"I advocate multiculturalism as a way of combating racism and prejudice, therefore, if you criticise multiculturalism you are guilty of racism and/or harbouring prejudice." If that is one way of defining multiculturalism, then it looks like deception, or fraud, or treason, depending up on the ...

Lightman replies on Sep 19, 2020:

@Josf-Kelley I think you will find we re discussing National Cultures.

When the Chinese first found the Covid virus in bat populations they isolated it and duplicated it ...

Krunoslav comments on Sep 18, 2020:

My problem is I don't know who to trust. The West has lied about Hong Kong and about Uighur Jihadists just in the last year or so. So I wonder about this Covid-thing. Are they facts or true facts , I wonder. That being said, there is not a single country that has not lied about Covid in some way...

Lightman replies on Sep 19, 2020:

@Krunoslav Your opinion not mine. I usually wait till cooberation happens... from multiple sources. How many countries are China at "war" with at the moment? Tip... it is more than 1. Why did they not want an independent inquiry into the Corona virus pandemic as suggested by Australia and now backed by multiple nations? Why re they suddenly banning various Australian products based on lies?

Climate Alarmism and Fakery.

Lightman comments on Sep 16, 2020:

A study (the one cited by President Obama) by psychology P.h.D. student John Cook found that 97.1 percent of relevant published scientific articles agreed that humans contribute to global warming. This is not the same as saying that humans are a major contributor to global warming or that the ...

Lightman replies on Sep 18, 2020:

@Hanno All good

Multiculturalism in Australia (and the rest of the world) Same criticism and same problems the ...

Josf-Kelley comments on Sep 18, 2020:

"I advocate multiculturalism as a way of combating racism and prejudice, therefore, if you criticise multiculturalism you are guilty of racism and/or harbouring prejudice." If that is one way of defining multiculturalism, then it looks like deception, or fraud, or treason, depending up on the ...

Lightman replies on Sep 18, 2020:

BTW Culture is not Race

Climate Alarmism and Fakery.

Lightman comments on Sep 16, 2020:

A study (the one cited by President Obama) by psychology P.h.D. student John Cook found that 97.1 percent of relevant published scientific articles agreed that humans contribute to global warming. This is not the same as saying that humans are a major contributor to global warming or that the ...

Lightman replies on Sep 18, 2020:

@Hanno He does ... he is an idiot and I said as much.

Climate Alarmism and Fakery.

Lightman comments on Sep 16, 2020:

A study (the one cited by President Obama) by psychology P.h.D. student John Cook found that 97.1 percent of relevant published scientific articles agreed that humans contribute to global warming. This is not the same as saying that humans are a major contributor to global warming or that the ...

Lightman replies on Sep 18, 2020:

@Hanno I think you hanno will find I referred to MW not you.

Climate Alarmism and Fakery.

Lightman comments on Sep 16, 2020:

A study (the one cited by President Obama) by psychology P.h.D. student John Cook found that 97.1 percent of relevant published scientific articles agreed that humans contribute to global warming. This is not the same as saying that humans are a major contributor to global warming or that the ...

Lightman replies on Sep 18, 2020:

@Hanno my comment re "you re an idiot" was in reference to MW not you. Not sure why your name came up, something to do with the original post I think. I actually said... YOU ARE AN IDIOT MW...

Multiculturalism in Australia (and the rest of the world) Same criticism and same problems the ...

Josf-Kelley comments on Sep 18, 2020:

"I advocate multiculturalism as a way of combating racism and prejudice, therefore, if you criticise multiculturalism you are guilty of racism and/or harbouring prejudice." If that is one way of defining multiculturalism, then it looks like deception, or fraud, or treason, depending up on the ...

Lightman replies on Sep 18, 2020:

I think you will find that is exactly his point.

Multiculturalism in Australia (and the rest of the world) Same criticism and same problems the ...

Lightman comments on Sep 18, 2020:

**So, the untouchables must be tolerant** Kevin Donnelly The Australian February 21, 2017 Proven by the latest bizarre ¬example, where Muslim students do not have to shake hands with females, it’s clear that education’s politically correct embrace of ¬diversity and difference — the new...

Lightman replies on Sep 18, 2020:

@Josf-Kelley I think you will find he is talking bout formalised education in established institutions both public and private.

When the Chinese first found the Covid virus in bat populations they isolated it and duplicated it ...

Krunoslav comments on Sep 18, 2020:

My problem is I don't know who to trust. The West has lied about Hong Kong and about Uighur Jihadists just in the last year or so. So I wonder about this Covid-thing. Are they facts or true facts , I wonder. That being said, there is not a single country that has not lied about Covid in some way...

Lightman replies on Sep 18, 2020:

If you don't know that China is untrustworthy you haven't been watching or listening.

“A man who has never gone to school may steal from a freight car; but if he has a university ...

Lightman comments on Sep 18, 2020:

“A man who has never gone to school may steal from a freight car; but if he has a university education, he may steal the whole railroad. To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society.” Not sure I totally agree with that. What is meant by educating someone in ...

Lightman replies on Sep 18, 2020:

@Krunoslav Not my point.

“A man who has never gone to school may steal from a freight car; but if he has a university ...

Lightman comments on Sep 18, 2020:

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or ...

Lightman replies on Sep 18, 2020:

@Krunoslav We've been having this debate here publicly for years, the Progressive Left name calling ridiculing and intimidating those that disagree with the policy. The right too frightened to speak up lest they be called racists etc.

2016 black vote for Trump, I am going to call it 5%.

BlackoutNJ comments on Sep 18, 2020:

I think he will get around 20 percent or more. He's changed a lot of hearts and minds.

Lightman replies on Sep 18, 2020:

I hope so.

oh I love a good rant.. [youtu.be]

Supervixen comments on Sep 17, 2020:

y he so mad tho

Lightman replies on Sep 17, 2020:

If Trump loses you'll know why.

More than two-thirds of American students have no idea that six-million Jews were put to death in ...

Lightman comments on Sep 16, 2020:

The eduction system has been the most infiltrated, most modified system in the march of the Left through our institutions in the West. Closely followed by the media. this means children get indoctrinated from an early age almost every day and when not at school get indoctrinated by a widespread ...

Lightman replies on Sep 17, 2020:

@johnlondon Multiculturalism and, mass immigration policies are simply invasion policies.

Climate Alarmism and Fakery.

Lightman comments on Sep 16, 2020:

31,000 scientists say there is "no convincing evidence" that humans can or will cause "catastrophic" heating of the atmosphere. This claim originates from the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, which has an online petition (petitionproject.org) that states: **We urge the United States ...

Lightman replies on Sep 17, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay stronger than your many lies... and obfuscation.

Climate Alarmism and Fakery.

Lightman comments on Sep 16, 2020:

No one knows what percentage of scientists believe that humans are causing catastrophic warming of the planet. No comprehensive survey has ever been done. But one thing is certain. It isn’t 97 percent. It may not even be a majority.

Lightman replies on Sep 17, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay No we don't stop lying.....

Study: up to ninety-five percent of 2020 US riots are linked to Black Lives Matter- ...

Lightman comments on Sep 16, 2020:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/blm-terrorist-rosenberg/

Lightman replies on Sep 17, 2020:

@Jason421are you denying tht BLM are marxist revolutionaries with links to the weather group?

Climate Alarmism and Fakery.

Lightman comments on Sep 16, 2020:

A study (the one cited by President Obama) by psychology P.h.D. student John Cook found that 97.1 percent of relevant published scientific articles agreed that humans contribute to global warming. This is not the same as saying that humans are a major contributor to global warming or that the ...

Lightman replies on Sep 17, 2020:

@Hanno You are an idiot MW. Hardly anyone scientist or otherwise denies climate change happens. So stop being an idiot and address what people actually say. I've never denied temperature rises or that climate change happens so stop lying about me and what I think. This topic is bout the fakery and lies told in the climate change debate... like some idiot without brain. Even I recognise the Ice Age and the FACT it will reoccur, or do you think it is part of a conspiracy theory?

BUYER’S REMORSE This just in from the GOSH, WHO SAW THAT COMING BUREAU—the Minneapolis City ...

johnlondon comments on Sep 17, 2020:

When the left says "We care" run away as fast as you can!

Lightman replies on Sep 17, 2020:

We have a saying... ALL CARE AND NO RESPONSIBILITY.

Who will be the power behind the throne?

Brumalis comments on Sep 17, 2020:

Harris mentioning "the Harris administration" wasn't a slip of the tongue but instead one of the DNC plans to use her vice presidential role up until after the election when Biden can be removed. She definitely is not the silent partner but perhaps the figure who is taking control. Its easy to put ...

Lightman replies on Sep 17, 2020:

https://www.thecut.com/article/kamala-harris-views-and-policies-a-full-guide.html

WELCOME TO WOKE-TEL CALIFORNIA>>> California energy greenouts prove ‘go woke, go broke’ is ...

angelo comments on Sep 17, 2020:

With the abundance Of evidence that socialism is a failure, the California sheeples keep electing them term after term. Reminds me of the Stockholm Syndrome.

Lightman replies on Sep 17, 2020:

Or Canada?

Climate Alarmism and Fakery.

Lightman comments on Sep 16, 2020:

In 2012 the American Meteorological Society (AMS) surveyed its 7,000 members, receiving 1,862 responses. Of those, only 52% said they think global warming over the 20th century has happened and is mostly man-made (the IPCC position). The remaining 48% either think it happened but natural causes ...

Lightman replies on Sep 17, 2020:

@Hanno He always makes appeals to authority etc... he is always very selective in doing so. He also doesn't seem to know that science does not depend on concensus or mob rule. It's bout facts, and repeatable, dependable, measurable, empirical results, not simply depending on causation and correlation fallacies. Correlation does not equal causation.

Climate Alarmism and Fakery.

Lightman comments on Sep 16, 2020:

No one knows what percentage of scientists believe that humans are causing catastrophic warming of the planet. No comprehensive survey has ever been done. But one thing is certain. It isn’t 97 percent. It may not even be a majority.

Lightman replies on Sep 17, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay No one knows what percentage of scientists believe that humans are causing catastrophic warming of the planet. No comprehensive survey has ever been done. But one thing is certain. It isn’t 97 percent. It may not even be a majority.Is not my quote.... try again.... yet IMO it is completely true. Your interpretation IMO is wrong. Yet again. Skepticalscience is a site created to push alarmism and only 1 side of the debate. Which seems to explain your inadequacy and disingenuousness.

Climate Alarmism and Fakery.

Lightman comments on Sep 16, 2020:

31,000 scientists say there is "no convincing evidence" that humans can or will cause "catastrophic" heating of the atmosphere. This claim originates from the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, which has an online petition (petitionproject.org) that states: **We urge the United States ...

Lightman replies on Sep 17, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay No mickey mouses there though eh ROTFLMAO

Climate Alarmism and Fakery.

Lightman comments on Sep 16, 2020:

A study (the one cited by President Obama) by psychology P.h.D. student John Cook found that 97.1 percent of relevant published scientific articles agreed that humans contribute to global warming. This is not the same as saying that humans are a major contributor to global warming or that the ...

Lightman replies on Sep 17, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay Misconstruing things yet again tsk, tsk, tsk...

Climate Alarmism and Fakery.

Lightman comments on Sep 16, 2020:

A study (the one cited by President Obama) by psychology P.h.D. student John Cook found that 97.1 percent of relevant published scientific articles agreed that humans contribute to global warming. This is not the same as saying that humans are a major contributor to global warming or that the ...

Lightman replies on Sep 17, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay LOL John Cook ratbag Progressive alarmist started Skepticalscience and it is anything but... skeptical it is one of the most based alarmist sites on the planet. He even admits its only purpose is to push the alarmist message. ROTFLMO

Climate Alarmism and Fakery.

Lightman comments on Sep 16, 2020:

In September of 2019, a group of 500 scientists and professionals in related fields, including Massachusetts Institute of Technology climate scientist professor Richard Lindzen, wrote a letter to the general secretary of the United Nations. The letter states in part: “There is no climate ...

Lightman replies on Sep 17, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay Oh dear.... next time try to apply the same standards to your arguments ROTFLMO

Climate Alarmism and Fakery.

Lightman comments on Sep 16, 2020:

In 2012 the American Meteorological Society (AMS) surveyed its 7,000 members, receiving 1,862 responses. Of those, only 52% said they think global warming over the 20th century has happened and is mostly man-made (the IPCC position). The remaining 48% either think it happened but natural causes ...

Lightman replies on Sep 17, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay there is no majority concensus as many have tried to point out to you there has never been proper poll. Meh, Progressives... cannot tolerate dissent and just cant be told.

Climate Alarmism and Fakery.

Lightman comments on Sep 16, 2020:

31,000 scientists say there is "no convincing evidence" that humans can or will cause "catastrophic" heating of the atmosphere. This claim originates from the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, which has an online petition (petitionproject.org) that states: **We urge the United States ...

Lightman replies on Sep 17, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay clutching at straws and cherry picking again I see... you are so dishonest... even for a Progressive.

Climate Alarmism and Fakery.

Lightman comments on Sep 16, 2020:

A study (the one cited by President Obama) by psychology P.h.D. student John Cook found that 97.1 percent of relevant published scientific articles agreed that humans contribute to global warming. This is not the same as saying that humans are a major contributor to global warming or that the ...

Lightman replies on Sep 16, 2020:

@Hanno CO2 is part of the Greenhouse effect we wouldn't be here without it. Plants would all be dead etc... scientific facts. Apart from helping keep heat in the atmosphere it also at higher altitudes helps keep it out... yet another scientific fact.

Study: up to ninety-five percent of 2020 US riots are linked to Black Lives Matter- ...

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 16, 2020:

It's interesting that the article accuses the studies conclusion blaming the police on "This is a logical fallacy called post hoc, ergo propter hoc: Because one thing happened after another, the first thing caused the second" While at the same time doing *exactly* the same about BLM and riots: ...

Lightman replies on Sep 16, 2020:

https://slug.com/discussion/132593/catherine-herridge-drops-leaked-dhs-email-about-antifa-that-blows-up-the-dem-narrative-https-www

More than two-thirds of American students have no idea that six-million Jews were put to death in ...

73jazzbass comments on Sep 16, 2020:

That’s sad for sure, but I’m sure even more students are unaware of the atrocities that Stalin and Mao committed in the 20th Century. The death tolls were much much higher. Of course, the hard left doesn’t want to teach the students that the hard left is a dangerous ideology

Lightman replies on Sep 16, 2020:

and Pol Pot.

Unlike many conservatives, I do not view Leftism as dishonourable or deliberately evil.

tracycoyle comments on Sep 16, 2020:

For the Left, intentions trump consequences, every time.

Lightman replies on Sep 16, 2020:

@GeeMac We call The Greens, Watermelons....Red on the inside, Green on the outside. I'm thinking Red Tories would be RW Progressives... we just went through almost 2 terms of them and they almost destroyed the Liberal Party, which here are not liberals per se but conservatives.

Unlike many conservatives, I do not view Leftism as dishonourable or deliberately evil.

tracycoyle comments on Sep 16, 2020:

For the Left, intentions trump consequences, every time.

Lightman replies on Sep 16, 2020:

@GeeMac There is the Conservative Left and the Progressive Left, both have different goals.

So first Trump was responsible for the Coronavirus and its spread,then he was responsible for the ...

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 15, 2020:

> We all know where the virus came from and that it was a deliberate move to share the virus with the rest of the world. There can be no denying this point. Correct. No denying evolution. > there are many skeptics all over the world Correct. Less than 5% of scientists worldwide don't agree...

Lightman replies on Sep 16, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay try misinterpreting this https://electroverse.net/the-list-scientists-who-publicly-disagree-with-the-current-consensus-on-climate-change/

So first Trump was responsible for the Coronavirus and its spread,then he was responsible for the ...

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 15, 2020:

> We all know where the virus came from and that it was a deliberate move to share the virus with the rest of the world. There can be no denying this point. Correct. No denying evolution. > there are many skeptics all over the world Correct. Less than 5% of scientists worldwide don't agree...

Lightman replies on Sep 16, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay Nice try misinterpreting my words... Too bored to bite sunshine... yawn

So first Trump was responsible for the Coronavirus and its spread,then he was responsible for the ...

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 15, 2020:

> We all know where the virus came from and that it was a deliberate move to share the virus with the rest of the world. There can be no denying this point. Correct. No denying evolution. > there are many skeptics all over the world Correct. Less than 5% of scientists worldwide don't agree...

Lightman replies on Sep 16, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay Oh dear typicl Progressive.... now you are being a real idiot... its written mostly to back the vested interests up Sunshine but It refutes one of your points hence I posted it... if even your side disgrees with you how cn you be right? That was my point. You lose... again. Oh and here https://electroverse.net/the-list-scientists-who-publicly-disagree-with-the-current-consensus-on-climate-change/ I don't need to cherry pick or cheer myself on like you.

So first Trump was responsible for the Coronavirus and its spread,then he was responsible for the ...

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 15, 2020:

> We all know where the virus came from and that it was a deliberate move to share the virus with the rest of the world. There can be no denying this point. Correct. No denying evolution. > there are many skeptics all over the world Correct. Less than 5% of scientists worldwide don't agree...

Lightman replies on Sep 16, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay Geee talk about cherry picking... ROTFLMO

So first Trump was responsible for the Coronavirus and its spread,then he was responsible for the ...

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 15, 2020:

Where is the "equally poorly" option?

Lightman replies on Sep 16, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay oh dear nowhere near 95% of scientists worldwide though eh... you need to stop making false claims and misunderstanding the statistics and ignoring vested interests, etc, etc, etc... Losing an argument and claiming a win makes you a dope.

So first Trump was responsible for the Coronavirus and its spread,then he was responsible for the ...

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 15, 2020:

> We all know where the virus came from and that it was a deliberate move to share the virus with the rest of the world. There can be no denying this point. Correct. No denying evolution. > there are many skeptics all over the world Correct. Less than 5% of scientists worldwide don't agree...

Lightman replies on Sep 16, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay Where is the global poll of ll scientists that backa up your 95% claim? Answer... NOWHERE ROTFLMO

So first Trump was responsible for the Coronavirus and its spread,then he was responsible for the ...

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 15, 2020:

> We all know where the virus came from and that it was a deliberate move to share the virus with the rest of the world. There can be no denying this point. Correct. No denying evolution. > there are many skeptics all over the world Correct. Less than 5% of scientists worldwide don't agree...

Lightman replies on Sep 16, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay Still wrong.... you are such dope on this.

So first Trump was responsible for the Coronavirus and its spread,then he was responsible for the ...

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 15, 2020:

> We all know where the virus came from and that it was a deliberate move to share the virus with the rest of the world. There can be no denying this point. Correct. No denying evolution. > there are many skeptics all over the world Correct. Less than 5% of scientists worldwide don't agree...

Lightman replies on Sep 16, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay oh dear you have no clue do you.

So first Trump was responsible for the Coronavirus and its spread,then he was responsible for the ...

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 15, 2020:

Where is the "equally poorly" option?

Lightman replies on Sep 16, 2020:

Almost forgot... ‘Mickey Mouse’ scratched from 11,000 scientists declaring global climate crisis By Josh K. Elliott Global News What kind of Mickey Mouse operation allows a fictional character to pretend he’s a scientist? That’s the question many are asking after more than 11,000 scientists — including professors Mickey Mouse and Albus Dumbledore — signed a petition declaring a global climate emergency. The doomsday declaration captured international attention on Tuesday with its dire warning that humans must “change how we live” in order to survive. “We declare … clearly and unequivocally that planet Earth is facing a climate emergency,” the letter’s opening statement said. It was published Tuesday in the journal BioScience, with 11,258 signatures attached. But someone actually read those signatures, and it appears that a few pranksters added fictional characters to the list. The original list has been updated to remove 34 “invalid” names, but the screenshots are still out there. Among the names was professor “Micky (sic) Mouse” of the Micky Mouse Institute for the Blind in Namibia. Climate change skeptics were quick to pounce on the mistake. Eagle-eyed readers also spotted Hogwarts Headmaster Albus Dumbledore — of Harry Potter fame — among the names. The project’s lead author, ecologist Bill Ripple, collected signatures through the Oregon State University website, where a dedicated page urged scientists to add their names to the list. According to a statement on the site, the invalid names appeared due to an administrative error. “We have, to date, removed 34 names from the original list, most of which were duplicates,” the statement said. “The weight of the world’s scientific community for this declaration remains undiminished.” The site has deactivated a link to the signatories list, and it is not allowing additional signatures at this time. The updated list of signatures now includes 11,224 names from scientists around the world, including more than 400 Canadians. Several of those very real Canadians have spoken out separately in favour of the initiative. The letter itself includes 29 graphs that illustrate the scientific backing behind its warnings. The graphs illustrate shrinking arctic ice, rising sea levels, soaring greenhouse gas concentrations in the area and the steadily increasing global temperature. Ripple says he rallied scientists behind this doomsday warning because humans need to take drastic action to curb the effects of climate change. He believes that scientists have a moral obligation to warn people about what the facts are showing. “I’m willing to take the risk to speak out and talk about the implications of the science that we’re seeing and how that could ...

So first Trump was responsible for the Coronavirus and its spread,then he was responsible for the ...

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 15, 2020:

> We all know where the virus came from and that it was a deliberate move to share the virus with the rest of the world. There can be no denying this point. Correct. No denying evolution. > there are many skeptics all over the world Correct. Less than 5% of scientists worldwide don't agree...

Lightman replies on Sep 16, 2020:

https://electroverse.net/the-list-scientists-who-publicly-disagree-with-the-current-consensus-on-climate-change/ Oh dear more proof you are simply wrong.

So first Trump was responsible for the Coronavirus and its spread,then he was responsible for the ...

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 15, 2020:

> We all know where the virus came from and that it was a deliberate move to share the virus with the rest of the world. There can be no denying this point. Correct. No denying evolution. > there are many skeptics all over the world Correct. Less than 5% of scientists worldwide don't agree...

Lightman replies on Sep 16, 2020:

"As part of a scathing critical analysis of this paper by real scientists, the original 11,944 papers were read and the readers came to a diametrically opposite conclusion. Of the 11,944 papers, only 41 explicitly stated that humans caused most of the warming since 1950 (0.3 per cent). Of the 11,944 climate “science” papers, 99.7 per cent did not say that carbon dioxide caused most of the global warming since 1950. It was less than 1 per cent and not one paper endorsed a man-made global warming catastrophe."

So first Trump was responsible for the Coronavirus and its spread,then he was responsible for the ...

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 15, 2020:

> We all know where the virus came from and that it was a deliberate move to share the virus with the rest of the world. There can be no denying this point. Correct. No denying evolution. > there are many skeptics all over the world Correct. Less than 5% of scientists worldwide don't agree...

Lightman replies on Sep 16, 2020:

"The 97 per cent figure derives from a survey sent to 10,257 people with a self-interest in human-induced global warming who published “science” supported by taxpayer-funded research grants. Replies from 3146 respondents were whittled down to 77 self-appointed climate “scientists” of whom 75 were judged to agree that human-induced warming was taking place. The 97 per cent figure derives from a tribe with only 75 members. What were the criteria for rejecting 3069 respondents? There was no mention that 75 out of 3146 is 2.38 per cent. We did not hear that 2.38 per cent of climate scientists with a self-interest agreed that humans have played a significant role in changing climate and that they are recipients of some of the billions spent annually on climate research."

So first Trump was responsible for the Coronavirus and its spread,then he was responsible for the ...

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 15, 2020:

> We all know where the virus came from and that it was a deliberate move to share the virus with the rest of the world. There can be no denying this point. Correct. No denying evolution. > there are many skeptics all over the world Correct. Less than 5% of scientists worldwide don't agree...

Lightman replies on Sep 16, 2020:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/opinion/climate-debate-97pc-of-scientists-agree-on-nothing/news-story/1e9a5d64619cc3ed54352f12026bf1b6 "It is often claimed that 97 per cent of scientists conclude that humans are causing global warming. Is that really true? No. It is a zombie statistic."

One for the Multiculti Diversity fans.

IQWisdom comments on Sep 15, 2020:

Little more info on the Source please, so I can look it up. If you have a link to the paper that would be awesome

Lightman replies on Sep 16, 2020:

@IQWisdom I know... try googling it bound to be something still left on the Web

So first Trump was responsible for the Coronavirus and its spread,then he was responsible for the ...

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 15, 2020:

> We all know where the virus came from and that it was a deliberate move to share the virus with the rest of the world. There can be no denying this point. Correct. No denying evolution. > there are many skeptics all over the world Correct. Less than 5% of scientists worldwide don't agree...

Lightman replies on Sep 16, 2020:

http://joannenova.com.au/2015/07/less-than-half-of-climate-scientists-agree-with-the-ipcc-95-certainty/ http://jo.nova.s3.amazonaws.com/graph/psychology/consensus/43-percent-climate-consensus-m.gif As for the 95% claim of all scientists worldwide... puhlese your claim is both wrong and ridiculous.It would appear you don't understand even the original claim and have never researched those included who refuted it etc, etc, etc... Progressive eh.... ROTFLMAO

So first Trump was responsible for the Coronavirus and its spread,then he was responsible for the ...

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 15, 2020:

> We all know where the virus came from and that it was a deliberate move to share the virus with the rest of the world. There can be no denying this point. Correct. No denying evolution. > there are many skeptics all over the world Correct. Less than 5% of scientists worldwide don't agree...

Lightman replies on Sep 16, 2020:

Hate to tell you you are wrong but you are.... stop repeating propaganda.

One for the Multiculti Diversity fans.

Krunoslav comments on Sep 15, 2020:

Basically conclusion is that its not segregation that is the problem as much self segregation which over time grows into something hostile and uncooperative. And this is especially true when there is either forced "diversity and inclusion" programs or multiculturalism programs. And also like example...

Lightman replies on Sep 15, 2020:

Nope "diversity" is the term used in the study. I think you will find it was racial diversity. I would use the term Multiculturalism in regards to the settlement policy that has been adopted by the Australian Government. Culture is not race. Mind you, Canada, the UK and the US also use that term. Even though the policy is slightly different for each. Australian governments keep tinkering with it to make it acceptable to the majority of the populace, but will never get there. We had a huge poll on it once where 93% of us wanted it abandoned.

The Nick Sandmann piece on 'not letting cancel culture silence him' should be no solace to you

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 11, 2020:

Problem is the USA *is* a diverse country which *has* various cultures and mindsets. If there is no systemic prejudice (not using racism since prejudice is far more encompassing), then there should be no problems with accepting diverse points of views. Conversely, if there is a system wide problem ...

Lightman replies on Sep 15, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay Happy for you to live in denial.

One for the Multiculti Diversity fans.

IQWisdom comments on Sep 15, 2020:

Little more info on the Source please, so I can look it up. If you have a link to the paper that would be awesome

Lightman replies on Sep 15, 2020:

Used to have a copy, but its been years and years since I've had to debate this stuff with Progressives, so if I get a chance I will see what I can find.

The Nick Sandmann piece on 'not letting cancel culture silence him' should be no solace to you

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 11, 2020:

Problem is the USA *is* a diverse country which *has* various cultures and mindsets. If there is no systemic prejudice (not using racism since prejudice is far more encompassing), then there should be no problems with accepting diverse points of views. Conversely, if there is a system wide problem ...

Lightman replies on Sep 14, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay What would you know about what I think? What I posted is correct... you just don't like it and like all Progressives cannot tolerate dissent. This issue has been round for years and years yet suddenly today for the first time hearing about it and without reading his study and report YOU know all bout it... your arrogance knows no bounds. Stop wasting my time and prancing round like a deluded know it all...

The Nick Sandmann piece on 'not letting cancel culture silence him' should be no solace to you

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 11, 2020:

Problem is the USA *is* a diverse country which *has* various cultures and mindsets. If there is no systemic prejudice (not using racism since prejudice is far more encompassing), then there should be no problems with accepting diverse points of views. Conversely, if there is a system wide problem ...

Lightman replies on Sep 14, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay I know what Putnam says and I know why he said... BTW I haven't twisted his findings... its commonly called backsliding, I did tell you what his politics were and I skipped over his attempts to downplay his findings due to pressure from fellow Progressives. hint. either be aware of what is going on at the time or do more research. Your arrogant carrying on doesn't help your argument or prove you right about anything. It simply proves me right... that Progressives cannot tolerate dissent. BTW that last point is twisting his findings...

[micdroppolitics.com] Who are the real racists in the USA?

Krunoslav comments on Sep 14, 2020:

I think anyone who falls into the trap of "racism" is playing by identity politics rules and that has terrible consequences for everyone. How many pro white, anti - Jews groups are there on this website alone? They come from people who have no clue how to explain what is going on around them, so ...

Lightman replies on Sep 14, 2020:

Seems to me these days the anti-facists are facists and the anti-racists are racist...

The Nick Sandmann piece on 'not letting cancel culture silence him' should be no solace to you

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 11, 2020:

Problem is the USA *is* a diverse country which *has* various cultures and mindsets. If there is no systemic prejudice (not using racism since prejudice is far more encompassing), then there should be no problems with accepting diverse points of views. Conversely, if there is a system wide problem ...

Lightman replies on Sep 14, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay Oh and how is the current behaviour in the US now refuting his study? It's not? Exactly.

The Nick Sandmann piece on 'not letting cancel culture silence him' should be no solace to you

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 11, 2020:

Problem is the USA *is* a diverse country which *has* various cultures and mindsets. If there is no systemic prejudice (not using racism since prejudice is far more encompassing), then there should be no problems with accepting diverse points of views. Conversely, if there is a system wide problem ...

Lightman replies on Sep 14, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay I disagree with their doubts and maybes and personal bias... don't you? The study was quite clear and precise.

The Nick Sandmann piece on 'not letting cancel culture silence him' should be no solace to you

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 11, 2020:

Problem is the USA *is* a diverse country which *has* various cultures and mindsets. If there is no systemic prejudice (not using racism since prejudice is far more encompassing), then there should be no problems with accepting diverse points of views. Conversely, if there is a system wide problem ...

Lightman replies on Sep 14, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay Yes...have you read Putnam's original paper and study? No? Do you not get it went against his personal and political beliefs? Apparently it goes against yours... so you re now grasping at straws too...

The Nick Sandmann piece on 'not letting cancel culture silence him' should be no solace to you

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 11, 2020:

Problem is the USA *is* a diverse country which *has* various cultures and mindsets. If there is no systemic prejudice (not using racism since prejudice is far more encompassing), then there should be no problems with accepting diverse points of views. Conversely, if there is a system wide problem ...

Lightman replies on Sep 14, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay Oh and how is the current behaviour in the US now refuting his study? It's not? Exactly.

The Nick Sandmann piece on 'not letting cancel culture silence him' should be no solace to you

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 11, 2020:

Problem is the USA *is* a diverse country which *has* various cultures and mindsets. If there is no systemic prejudice (not using racism since prejudice is far more encompassing), then there should be no problems with accepting diverse points of views. Conversely, if there is a system wide problem ...

Lightman replies on Sep 14, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay LOL Putnam was a bigtime LW Progressive he was shocked by his findings. He did the study to prove diversity was a good thing for societies. There were many people trying to "cancel" him and them at the time he even backtracked several times, but the results always got in the way of those who wanted to rewrite history. "In 2007 the Harvard professor Robert Putnam published a paper that appeared to challenge the benefits of living in a racially diverse society. Putnam’s study, which used a large, nationally representative sample of nearly 30,000 Americans, found that people living in more diverse areas reported lower levels of trust in their neighbors. They also reported less interest in voting, volunteering, and giving to charity. In other words, greater diversity seemed to be linked to both feelings and behaviors that threaten a sense of community. The finding was alarming to many people, including Putnam himself, because the U.S. continues to grow in racial and ethnic diversity with each passing decade." His original findings are correct.

Trump AGREES To Joe Rogan Moderated Debate With Biden, WE GOTTA GET BIDEN TO SAY YES - YouTube

HeatherNiven comments on Sep 14, 2020:

Omg! I am so in for this!! Not that Biden or his people would agree to it. They know he’d get eaten alive.

Lightman replies on Sep 14, 2020:

I doubt Biden could eat anyone alive, isn't he taking sustenance through a straw these days?

CHI NA... [youtube.com]

Grandoodle comments on Sep 14, 2020:

Thats why its important for american companies to leave China and come back to the United States. But also to buy American when possible, I know thats hard for many peaple who are used to inexpensive Chinese made products from the big box stores.

Lightman replies on Sep 14, 2020:

That is why it's important for the whole world to do just that.

The Nick Sandmann piece on 'not letting cancel culture silence him' should be no solace to you

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 11, 2020:

Problem is the USA *is* a diverse country which *has* various cultures and mindsets. If there is no systemic prejudice (not using racism since prejudice is far more encompassing), then there should be no problems with accepting diverse points of views. Conversely, if there is a system wide problem ...

Lightman replies on Sep 14, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay Deny the truth all you like arrogance is no answer to truth already did give you a brief synopsis you want details you know what to do.

The Nick Sandmann piece on 'not letting cancel culture silence him' should be no solace to you

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 11, 2020:

Problem is the USA *is* a diverse country which *has* various cultures and mindsets. If there is no systemic prejudice (not using racism since prejudice is far more encompassing), then there should be no problems with accepting diverse points of views. Conversely, if there is a system wide problem ...

Lightman replies on Sep 14, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay No it doesn't... As for Putnam you could google him he only created the biggest study in diversity ever.

THEY’RE COMING.

Ranticore comments on Sep 13, 2020:

And, they call Trump divisive. That's all the Democrats have been doing for four years is divide, divide, divide. They just didn't get to the conquer bit until midway through this year. The claws are out and they're trying their damnedest to retain power through any means necessary. They're ...

Lightman replies on Sep 14, 2020:

They need to put broom through Congress and sweep away all the detritus that has accumualted there over the years.

The Nick Sandmann piece on 'not letting cancel culture silence him' should be no solace to you

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 11, 2020:

Problem is the USA *is* a diverse country which *has* various cultures and mindsets. If there is no systemic prejudice (not using racism since prejudice is far more encompassing), then there should be no problems with accepting diverse points of views. Conversely, if there is a system wide problem ...

Lightman replies on Sep 13, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay Diversity is the societal antithesis of united we stand divided we fall... Robert Putnam surprisingly proved to himself that diversity leads to social disharmony and isolationism... even when he tried to hide it he couldn't.

Is there any way to know what everyday life was like for regular people in different eras?

Lightman comments on Sep 13, 2020:

Of course there is... its called history and every country has one.

Lightman replies on Sep 13, 2020:

@A1fredo no es nada... you need all the help you can get

The Constitution of the Spartans [youtube.com]

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 13, 2020:

Was the gay sex part of the constitution or an amendment?

Lightman replies on Sep 13, 2020:

Yet the Thebans had one such regiment as the core of their entire army. One which the Spartans disagreed with and looked down upon. According to Xenophon, the Spartans abhorred the thought of using the relationships as the basis of unit formation for placing too much significance on sexuality rather than talent. As for Homosexuality or more correctly Sexuality, ancient Greece is not today, nor is the context or accepted values the same.

WOKE WARRIORS/WORRIERS.

DaveO276 comments on Sep 13, 2020:

Isn't modernism basically the idea that there is a one-size-fits-all way of seeing the world and that all truth can be deduced through science and reason, which everyone should subscribe to, resulting in identical opinions and understandings across the board? Then those who had different ways of ...

Lightman replies on Sep 13, 2020:

@DaveO276 Postmodernism.

WOKE WARRIORS/WORRIERS.

DaveO276 comments on Sep 13, 2020:

Isn't modernism basically the idea that there is a one-size-fits-all way of seeing the world and that all truth can be deduced through science and reason, which everyone should subscribe to, resulting in identical opinions and understandings across the board? Then those who had different ways of ...

Lightman replies on Sep 13, 2020:

Ah but we are talking about Postmodernism which is basically anti-modernism... which looks in the West as a socially progressive trend of thought that affirms the power of human beings to create, improve and reshape their environment with the aid of practical experimentation, scientific knowledge, or technology.

Did 9/11 and its aftermath change your view of the world?

wolfhnd comments on Sep 11, 2020:

I was surprised at what cowards people are. While other people were avoiding airlines I booked a flight to Paris. Terror only works if you are terrorized.

Lightman replies on Sep 12, 2020:

But death comes to us all.

The Grim Creeper showed up for a virtual townhall and took another stab at proving he’s in ...

Lightman comments on Sep 2, 2020:

I feel sorry for him. I hate what the Democrats make him do... like jogging on to a stage... it is undignified and just looks plain stupid, especially for an old guy.

Lightman replies on Sep 11, 2020:

@Edgework Mine was at home for the 13 years, I had a daily window into what Dementia is and does for 13 years. How it eats away at your life, taking away your past, family, friends, your personality, etc... creating paranoia, confusion, distrust, eating away at you till you cant do the simplest thing... but you know that... I hate to see anyone suffer through that, the indignity and mental anguish till nothing remains.

What arguments may help progressives moderate or change their views?

Towgunner77 comments on Sep 10, 2020:

For me it’s taking the liberal progressive ideas to their “logical” end-point. Also, side their own standards on them. If they say they hate hate, they still hate and, therefore, they are only acting to promote what they say they want to destroy. Building on that, for all their talk and ...

Lightman replies on Sep 11, 2020:

@JacksonNought Nope. Just posting a fact As for you lying.... You just cant face the truth of your bias... get over it. I am. People can read you know.

What arguments may help progressives moderate or change their views?

Lightman comments on Sep 10, 2020:

I have managed to get them to see the light individually... but eventually they all, without exception, fall back to the collective groupthink. So as much as we try, I think we will all fail with these people. Progressives cannot tolerate dissent.

Lightman replies on Sep 11, 2020:

@dd54 I never pick on the US... quotes please.

What arguments may help progressives moderate or change their views?

Towgunner77 comments on Sep 10, 2020:

For me it’s taking the liberal progressive ideas to their “logical” end-point. Also, side their own standards on them. If they say they hate hate, they still hate and, therefore, they are only acting to promote what they say they want to destroy. Building on that, for all their talk and ...

Lightman replies on Sep 11, 2020:

@JacksonNought Oh dear.... I had much more respect for you before you asked. 1. Progress and Progressivism are 2 different things. 2. The Progressive Era started in the late 1800s and ended around 1920. Which excludes it from your claims. 3. Today's Progressives are nothing like those in the Progressive Era. Do you need more information? I suggest you look up... The Enlightenment. It is not Progressivism in fact in many ways they are opposites. Humanists and The Renaissance. Also not Progressives.. The Reformation and Martin Luther. Also not related to what we know as Progressivism. The Industrial Revolution. Brought about many changes in society. Postmodernism is what today's Progressives base their beliefs on. Change is change for good or bad, the Earth is dynamic not static planet. All true Conservatives understand this. Conservatives are not anti-progress in fact many embrace and initiate it. Progressives that say otherwise are liars. those tht believe them re fools, useful idiots to be used in their hunger for political and social power. It is a Progressive lie that Conservatives seek to live in the past and seek to block all change. You can "insult" (your word) Conservatives all you like... just be factul when you do. BTW I already proved your biased languge use ok. I'm not going to reproduce all of it for you there is no need to. Look to yourself, not me.

The Grim Creeper showed up for a virtual townhall and took another stab at proving he’s in ...

Lightman comments on Sep 2, 2020:

I feel sorry for him. I hate what the Democrats make him do... like jogging on to a stage... it is undignified and just looks plain stupid, especially for an old guy.

Lightman replies on Sep 11, 2020:

@Edgework My Mum had and died of Dementia, she had it for 13 years, i was her carer... it is a horrible disease

What arguments may help progressives moderate or change their views?

JacksonNought comments on Sep 10, 2020:

As a few others have said, when speaking with Progressives or Conservatives, the best approach is to act in good faith and try to actually understand their position. Crying out "socialism" or "racism" isn't helpful for speaking with either side. Too often people like to use always-expanding strawmen...

Lightman replies on Sep 11, 2020:

@JacksonNought Clearly you are yet again wrong. I'm a swinging voter I vote policy not people or tribe. You need to look further back at what you actually write... the bias is clear and its not mine I'm just pointing yours out.

What arguments may help progressives moderate or change their views?

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 10, 2020:

On both sides, my key is to try and speak *their* language not *my* language. To try to *understand* their perspective and thus rebut it instead of merely trying to *proselytize* my perspective and try to shove it down their throat. I have an easier task than most however: I want both sides to ...

Lightman replies on Sep 11, 2020:

@dd54 still wasting my time I see

Horowitz: E-MASK-ulation: How we have been lied to so dramatically about masks - TheBlaze

Lightman comments on Sep 10, 2020:

> We've know all along that masks are a social- engineering tool to herd compliant sheeple. Lie, rubbish... whatever you want to call it.

Lightman replies on Sep 11, 2020:

@dd54 hey... you toss the insults... you take it personally... not me Sunshine.

What arguments may help progressives moderate or change their views?

Josf-Kelley comments on Sep 10, 2020:

I've been moderating (discussing possible truths with those who want to know better from worse) with progressives since at least 1980 or so... That is 40 years of experience. "One example is that progressives think that Conservatives don't care about the poor while the fact is they donate ...

Lightman replies on Sep 11, 2020:

Politics is not simply 2 sided.

What arguments may help progressives moderate or change their views?

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 10, 2020:

On both sides, my key is to try and speak *their* language not *my* language. To try to *understand* their perspective and thus rebut it instead of merely trying to *proselytize* my perspective and try to shove it down their throat. I have an easier task than most however: I want both sides to ...

Lightman replies on Sep 11, 2020:

@dd54 didn't mention it... care to quote me?

What arguments may help progressives moderate or change their views?

Towgunner77 comments on Sep 10, 2020:

For me it’s taking the liberal progressive ideas to their “logical” end-point. Also, side their own standards on them. If they say they hate hate, they still hate and, therefore, they are only acting to promote what they say they want to destroy. Building on that, for all their talk and ...

Lightman replies on Sep 11, 2020:

@dd54 I've been dealing with them for almost 50 years sonny... Covid we re doing well thank you even in the 2 stupid Labor states there will be no riots looting or murder here.

Horowitz: E-MASK-ulation: How we have been lied to so dramatically about masks - TheBlaze

Lightman comments on Sep 10, 2020:

> We've know all along that masks are a social- engineering tool to herd compliant sheeple. Lie, rubbish... whatever you want to call it.

Lightman replies on Sep 11, 2020:

@dd54 1.... no insult? really? parrot.... wanker.... not to mention the rest and that was just your initial post here. I make no claims to authority. I just post facts. I never avoid answering btw... even if it is a waste of my time. So stop wasting my time and stop telling lies about me.

Horowitz: E-MASK-ulation: How we have been lied to so dramatically about masks - TheBlaze

Lightman comments on Sep 10, 2020:

> We've know all along that masks are a social- engineering tool to herd compliant sheeple. Lie, rubbish... whatever you want to call it.

Lightman replies on Sep 10, 2020:

@dd54 being right? yup :-)

What arguments may help progressives moderate or change their views?

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 10, 2020:

On both sides, my key is to try and speak *their* language not *my* language. To try to *understand* their perspective and thus rebut it instead of merely trying to *proselytize* my perspective and try to shove it down their throat. I have an easier task than most however: I want both sides to ...

Lightman replies on Sep 10, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay everyone is entitled to settle for mediocrity. :-)

What arguments may help progressives moderate or change their views?

JacksonNought comments on Sep 10, 2020:

As a few others have said, when speaking with Progressives or Conservatives, the best approach is to act in good faith and try to actually understand their position. Crying out "socialism" or "racism" isn't helpful for speaking with either side. Too often people like to use always-expanding strawmen...

Lightman replies on Sep 10, 2020:

@JacksonNought Nope Progressives cry racism to stop debate and censor free speech... Conservatives can actually be socialists so that is a moot point you've made. Only LW Progressives get correctly nailed for being socialists and that is by anyone, even themselves. I did post what Conservatism is. As for me misinterpreting your bias... "over any small thing" proves it exists. Don't confuse true Conservatives, who are BTW conservative by nature for those radicals or bigots that inhabit the extremes... Conservatives are not extremists... extremists are.

What arguments may help progressives moderate or change their views?

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 10, 2020:

On both sides, my key is to try and speak *their* language not *my* language. To try to *understand* their perspective and thus rebut it instead of merely trying to *proselytize* my perspective and try to shove it down their throat. I have an easier task than most however: I want both sides to ...

Lightman replies on Sep 10, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay One day you might just get there... with no caveats Perhaps you just need to live a little longer and gain more experience.

What arguments may help progressives moderate or change their views?

Towgunner77 comments on Sep 10, 2020:

For me it’s taking the liberal progressive ideas to their “logical” end-point. Also, side their own standards on them. If they say they hate hate, they still hate and, therefore, they are only acting to promote what they say they want to destroy. Building on that, for all their talk and ...

Lightman replies on Sep 10, 2020:

@JacksonNought Yes and no... I do know what Progressivism is and what it was. Unfortunately it now has almost no link to Progress... only change. Many currently identify it as regressive. No one in their right mind would seek change for the worse, unless they were an enemy. Progressivism did not create most of those changes you mentioned. That is lie. BTW SSM in the view of a great many is not Progressive in any way, just change, where the majority have caved into a very vocal minority and the useful idiots of the Progressive Left. I'm not interpreting your posts as anything they are not. You choose the language, not me.

What arguments may help progressives moderate or change their views?

FrozenSoul comments on Sep 10, 2020:

I agree with progressives on secularism, gay rights, and healthcare , and Israel I disagree with em on immigration and huge government I am a Tribal Socialist Nationalist

Lightman replies on Sep 10, 2020:

@SocialDarwin Apparently Nazi is a bad word.... I see it as a historical one.

What arguments may help progressives moderate or change their views?

TheMiddleWay comments on Sep 10, 2020:

On both sides, my key is to try and speak *their* language not *my* language. To try to *understand* their perspective and thus rebut it instead of merely trying to *proselytize* my perspective and try to shove it down their throat. I have an easier task than most however: I want both sides to ...

Lightman replies on Sep 10, 2020:

"I have an easier task than most however: I want both sides to come closer to the middle, not to the other side. It is much easier to walk a progressive away from far-left identity politics and a conservative from alt-right conspiracy than to try to get a progressive to believe conspiracy or a conservative to accept identity politics. " Rubbish... 1. alt-right is not about Conservatism. 2. Radicals and extremists re not Conservatives. 3. Progressives cannot tolerate dissent. 4. There re extremists on both sides of the L/R divide... not to be confused with Progressivism or Conservatism which can be found on both sides of that divide.

What arguments may help progressives moderate or change their views?

Towgunner77 comments on Sep 10, 2020:

For me it’s taking the liberal progressive ideas to their “logical” end-point. Also, side their own standards on them. If they say they hate hate, they still hate and, therefore, they are only acting to promote what they say they want to destroy. Building on that, for all their talk and ...

Lightman replies on Sep 10, 2020:

@JacksonNought You don't think cancel culture, identity politics, etc, etc is not "running people out of towns" etc... do you know what a real Conservative is? CONSERVATISM is: a political philosophy advocating the preservation of the best of the established order in society and opposing radical change, or simply change for its own sake. There are bigots and extremists on both sides of politics...

What arguments may help progressives moderate or change their views?

FrozenSoul comments on Sep 10, 2020:

I agree with progressives on secularism, gay rights, and healthcare , and Israel I disagree with em on immigration and huge government I am a Tribal Socialist Nationalist

Lightman replies on Sep 10, 2020:

So you are not a tribal Nationlist Socialist? Why not? What is the difference?

What arguments may help progressives moderate or change their views?

JacksonNought comments on Sep 10, 2020:

As a few others have said, when speaking with Progressives or Conservatives, the best approach is to act in good faith and try to actually understand their position. Crying out "socialism" or "racism" isn't helpful for speaking with either side. Too often people like to use always-expanding strawmen...

Lightman replies on Sep 10, 2020:

Both sides? you mentioned "Socialism" and "Racism" do you really think only one side has racists and its the Conservative side? Postmodernism creates what "normal" people would call liars, deniers of reality etc, etc, etc...

What arguments may help progressives moderate or change their views?

Lightman comments on Sep 10, 2020:

I have managed to get them to see the light individually... but eventually they all, without exception, fall back to the collective groupthink. So as much as we try, I think we will all fail with these people. Progressives cannot tolerate dissent.

Lightman replies on Sep 10, 2020:

@dd54 How many decades do you want me to go back? 1, 2, 3 4 5? Here is 1 example...I've defended Pauline Hanson and her party when it started up... did it for years still do it when they say something sensible. Convinced and converted quite a few people, most reverted back to stupidity and bigotry though. Stop wasting my time.

Horowitz: E-MASK-ulation: How we have been lied to so dramatically about masks - TheBlaze

Lightman comments on Sep 10, 2020:

> We've know all along that masks are a social- engineering tool to herd compliant sheeple. Lie, rubbish... whatever you want to call it.

Lightman replies on Sep 10, 2020:

@dd54 Insults will work... where your proof for your claims eh... you have none. What frightens you about a mask you'd only have to wear in a hospital or a crowded situation? Why do you think Doctors and Nurses wear masks... because they are in your opinion SHEEPLE? ROTFLMO. Oh and apprently I have more knowledge than you.