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A wise man once said, "beware those who make excuses for which to lay blame."

Pointing out a failure in design of a machine, is the first step in solving the particular problem. I don't see this as an excuse, when it is in fact a design flaw or material failure. If in the other hand a mechanic damaged the part, creating the flaw, and blamed the design or material, we have an excuse.

Another wise man, said, "I already know you're perfect! You're perfect, because you have a perfectly good excuse for why you're fucked up!" He went on to explain the we get this from our parents. If you break a dish, it's never enough to say you messed up and broke the dish. There has to be more to it. Why did you break the dish? So we are trained to come up with a reason it's the dish's incompetence, not ours.

We see this same excuse culture at play regularly. A criminal commits a mass murder, and the highly trained perfect people, show up with all their perfectly good excuses. It's the gun, it's the access to guns, its video games, its breast feeding, it the solar orbit in decay, its anything and everything except the simple truth that a criminal committed a crime.

Why is it so hard to blame the criminal? We have gun laws from here to Christmas, and they have yet to stop such a crime, because they only apply to those people will follow the law. A criminal, definition is someone who does not follow the law. So we get the absolute insanity of "that guy broke the law! We need another Law!!!"

Now that enough people have seen the falisy of that stupid concept, we get, you guessed it, another perfectly good excuse. Its video games, music, television, or movies to blame.
Never mind the reality that the numbers of people who enjoy such activities outweighs the number of bad guys by such margins, that the correlation is statistically nil.

Then comes the cries for Red Flag laws, which frankly apply first to any idiot advocating them. The subjective nature of such absurdity only serves to create a means to circumvent the bill of rights. Free speech, gone. Due process gone, 2nd Amendment rights, gone. 4th Amendment rights, gone. All based on the same lunacy as the Salem witch trials.

Passing a law, thinking you will stop tragedies is like passing laws to control weather and seismic activity. Mother Nature does not pay any attention to your laws any more than the criminal, who is also a part of nature, whether you like it or not.

Throughout history, three percent of the population refused to adhere to the rules of society. Today is no different. The population of the earth has doubled in my lifetime, meaning that three percent, is twice the size too.

Nature provides each creature with defenses and tools to defeat the defenses of the prey. You'll never save an animal from its predators by removing that animals means of defense. People are no different. Criminals are predators, and the nuts in charge of the nut house want to disarm the prey, which is us, we the people.

The time has come to make it very known, with our other weapon, our voice, that we will not be relegated to fodder so these idiots can feel better about themselves in their quest for power over us. Make it known, we will not accept more restrictions, laws, or disarmament.

Just a common man's view

By Jbisnoop4
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Your posts are very long and I haven't the time to go thru point by point to address the thoroughly. I like singe of what you say, but there are too many additions with no backing.

You assume that we learn from our parents to make excuses. Maybe it's human nature to not be wrong, to justify or conduct, to avoid consequences. You assume that we homogenously learn the same lessons causing dynamics you later address. But we learn differently.

The tag line is "just a common man's view." Its simply my view, no assumption to it. Unless the assumption is that all views are assumptions...🤔

@Jbisnoop Ah, so by using your tag line you are essentially saying that it's not open to discussion. Ok. Then why complain across so many posts? Are you so set in your view that you're closed to new perspectives?

And certainly there are assumptions in your opinion. Once you conflate different ideas to draw a new conclusion you've made assumptions that your ideas about the connection and conclusion are accurate.

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It is not a good idea to let a LIB judge decide if anyone can have a gun. You know that LIBs do not want anyone to have a gun, and most judges are LIBS in my extensive experience!

I'm curious, what is your experience

Working in courts pretty regularly for the last 13 years or so, I've dealt with a lot of judges. My experience is that there's a fairly decent split between prosecutors and defense attorneys who are elevated to judge. If anything, I would guess there are more conservative judges, since Governors are more likely to appoint prosecutors than private defense attorneys.

@ObiRonMoldy I had most of contact with judges on the LEFT coast.

@Serg97 So, liberal judges or laws driven by a liberal population?

@ObiRonMoldy Both.I have found that's a CAL conservative is still a LIB where I come from, and you seem to fit that mold!

@Serg97 I can own that when it comes to social issues. But I'm fiscally conservative, so a lot of those social issues that I may agree with philosophically I don't necessarily support in the ballot box because they don't balance! But I do my best to be consistent and take personal responsibility in my life w/o forcing anything on anyone else. I have my opinions, but everyone can take or leave it! lol

@ObiRonMoldy You can not have it both ways. Who pays for your social issues?

@Serg97 Some get funded by govt. For example, in CA, realignment funneled a lot of money from state coffers to county since we supervise the majority of offenders now. So AB-109 created a fairly consistent funding stream to probation so long as programs/expenses are evidenced based. Some of that is homeless housing in qualified settings. Day Reporting Centers where evidence based interventions are taught are also funded, and those are proving to have a 30%+ decrease in recidivism for those who complete.

There are also mental health funding acts which are essentially channeling funding into treatment programs modeled after drug court which are similarly impacting recidivism, and that's a population who are stuck in the revolving door so to say. I'm an embedded officer in such a program.

I've read about possible public health centers which would be in malls and provide a combination of medical, mental, and reproductive health services. The idea is to take the load off ERs which have become de facto primary care for indigents. By including MH services, they're hoping to destigmatize MH treatment so that more of those suffering from symptoms get treatment, lessening homelessness and nuisance crime as well as providing easy access for family's who know their loved one is desperately in need of help but can't get it now unless a cop has the person 5150'd (MH hospitalization). I like the ideas but need to see the figures and more development of what they'll really be before I'd vote for it.

@ObiRonMoldy Again, who pays?? This just proves my point, you are a LIB!!!, not a moderate or conservative of any type!

@Serg97 did you actually comprehend any of what I wrote? It seems you were already decided and it won't make any difference what I say. Regardless, I'll break it down and make it really simple.

Who pays for the police department? Who plays for the sheriff's department? Who pays for State parole? Those are all funded by tax dollars. You know it, you're a former cop. Are you complaining that your state funded your job? I'm guessing that you were a okay with it and it didn't make you a liberal.

So yes, the programs I'm saying that are funded by state or federal funds which are diverted into these programs are paid by tax dollars. But here's the catch. The average heroin addict cost the state around $300,000 each for services per year. Drug treatment programs that are used typically have a success rate of about 3%. By implementing these new evidence based practices that are from those tax dollars, we have a net 27% or greater decrease in recidivism. Maybe the question shouldn't be who pays for it, but who benefits from it.

Those individuals whose lives are changed, they benefit from it. If people on the streets, they benefit from it. The owners of the liquor stores, the jewelry stores, the supermarkets, and all those other stores where people who have horrible addictions go in and steal from, they all benefit from it. Walmart benefits from it Target benefits from it. So in theory, since business bottom line is not impacted by all that theft, consumers benefit from it. If the free market system works, that's all of us to pay taxes.

For the mental health programs that I referred to, they changed the lives of people who suffer from mental health disorders. It's not costing taxpayers an extra Penny. This is already paid for by existing funds. So those individuals benefit from it. Their families come to us crying tears of joy because they see the change in there loved one. So they benefit from it. That person is no longer on the street committing crimes. So there's another benefit from it.

And with the public health centers in malls that I spoke of, I said I wasn't willing to vote in favor of it until I see how it works out on paper as far as funding.

But perhaps that makes me a liberal. At least in your mind it does. But what does it mean to you that I am a liberal, if what I'm supporting is saving money and changing lives for the better. You're opposed to it. What does that tell you? To me it's common sense. And, it's fiscally responsible. To me that's conservatism. Having an idea and sticking to it regardless of whether it makes sense, that isn't conservatism.

Part of the reason why I'm on this site is because there are people who think that being conservative means opposing anything that's considered somehow socialistic. But law enforcement has always been paid for by tax dollars. Using those tax dollars wisely is not socialism. It's common sense.

I welcome you to join the club. If you disagree with me, if you think I am wrong, please explain what's wrong with my Logic on on this. The dollars and cents signs are in, and the net benefit is to the taxpayer and to the individual whose life is changed. I tend to think that's a win-win. Please, tell me how that isn't a win-win.

@ObiRonMoldy I understand everything you addressed, but go back 120 years and see how these things were dealt with, those solutions worked and we did not have recidivism.
You worked or you starved.
Those that really deserved help were taken care of by their communities and/or churches, not the tax payer that had know idea who these people were or if they DESERVED help!!!!!!
That system worked!!!!!
You are the one that does not get IT!
Look at any major city on ether coast and see how well you ideas work, maybe it is time to do what WORKED in the past.

@Serg97 Sorry, you're ignoring evidence and wishing for times long past, suggesting we should go back to 120 years ago. That's laughable! Hey, I've been very active in my church, involved in many ministries, and seen the ability of faith and service. Churches don't have the ability to deal with the problems of crime in modern society.

Things that worked in the past don't always continue working. And there were problems in the past that were ignored. Racism, sexism, and physical abuse were ta rampant. That's not working. Rather, that's just working for white men. Treatment of people who suffered from mental illness was inhumane, barbaric.

So I reject your suggestion. It came across as a grasp for some kind of response because you had no valid, logical position in light of my argument, the reality that some programs work, particularly when we rely on evidence as a guide. And those evidence based programs save society money and enrich lives at the same time.

But, to paraphrase Trump, go back to 1900 and fix it and then come back here with suggestions! Kidding. Be well.

@ObiRonMoldy Sorry, we can not continue to take care of those the CHOOSE not to take care of themselves. I agree some do need our help, but not all that are taking it. I understand that conditions 100 years ago were not good for those that needed help, we can fix that, but those who CHOOSE not to take care of themselves should NOT be able to live off the rest of us!!

@Serg97 I don't argue for universal healthcare, voting and social rights for illegal immigrants, sanctuary for them, etc. I thank you for your response that acknowledges it isn't so cut and dry.

At the same time, even with better border enforcement, illegal immigration will happen. And those individuals create health problems for the rest of us. Long before CA started inviting the impoverished of the world to flock here, we had problems with emergency rooms being shut down in southern CA because they cannot refuse treatment to anyone. So treatment of those indigents went unpaid. This was in themid-90's iirc. There were 20-30 hospitals which closed their ERs because those families used the ER as primary care facilities. And it was also the mentally ill. They can't complete paperwork due to their illness, so never get the supports they actually should get.

Churches can't help that. What can? Again, I'm not supporting free health care for all, but there are valid reasons for the left is arguing for.

When we dismiss those who disagree with us as unreasonable without understanding their motives, when we automatically marginalize them, the conversation ends and our main loses and neediness more divided.

What are solutions? I don't have them, but the current political climate won't yield results, only division. Whatever happened to United WE Stand?

@Serg97. By the way, I believe, and think you'll agree, that the social progressive movement against Christianity that started decades ago is one of the root causes of US dysfunction.

It's not because only Christianity can support as we did. It's because if you dismantle a value system which created amazing supports, and you don't replace it with an equally supportive value system, you get chaos.

I place blame on the left for this short sightedness. If you take faith out of schools you better replace it with something to teach our kids, especially since mom and dad are both at work due to economic factors.

@ObiRonMoldy This discussion is a waste of time for both of us, we just need to agree to disagree. When people like us stop working because we are not allowed to keep what we earn, all this comes to and end. I hope you have a stockpile of ammo!!!!!!
GOOD LUCK!!
And GOD Bless!!!

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