Islam has contributed to some of the world's greatest achievements and learning. For example, science (alchemy), mathematics (algebra), art and architecture. So, instead of denigrating Islam, shouldn't we be encouraging more of it?
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.No, islam has it's own agenda, and that is what they are doing. The negatives to us in the western world are many. History, if it teaches what really happened, will be mystified, it is impossible even at this moment to understand what has happened to us, and why we stood by as our elected officials passed laws to protect Islam, shut down our free speech. Took away our liberties, all in the name of diversity, oh wait, remember..... multiculturalism? Playing with our language, you know, climate warming, change, acid rain, hole in the ozone.
Tabithakitten
Level 5
Apr 10, 2019
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Should we denigrate or encourage any religion based on what they have done in the past? Or, should we denigrate or encourage a religion based on what it offers us now?
What does Islam currently have to offer?
I don't think we should be encouraging any religion, political policy, or social construct that would deny ones rights to freedom.
Judah80
Level 7
Apr 10, 2019
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It wasnt Islam that made the contributions it was the Babalynian empire under Nebakenezer who was the greatest civilization ever seen. In the book of Daniel we know Daniel was The great Kings prime minister. When Nebakenezer died his grandson Belshazar ruled and through a great feast. He even used the Holy things of the Jewish temple and decefreated
CraigCollins
Level 5
Apr 10, 2019
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Interesting but irrelevant!
Oh yes you have struck a nerve sir. good we need as much debate as possible.
My observation, (the middle east not being my field of study)is that the De facto prophet Mohamed, was a plagiarist, cobbling together those aspects of Christianity and Judaism that appealed to people,(whether he was inspired by god or not, I can not say).
Gaining enough followers, to spread this to the tribes of the region that may have not agreed with the Judeo-christian powers at the time, filling a vacuum of religion/power to a possibly disenfranchised people, once he established a religious/political power base, he then turned/twisted the "Teachings" to justify/legitimize his own perversions and lust for power and conquest.
As far as Islam having contributed to the worlds greatest achievements, the religion no, the cohearancy established with it, may have allowed the boom of the Ottoman empire and the achievements (again expanding on others work ie.. Greeks) you speak of. JMHO
Tarkus60
Level 5
Apr 10, 2019
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Good and interesting contribution - thank you!
Islam had the same effect on the Semitic cultures as the Dark Ages had on the Christian ones. The discoveries in science, mathmatics, art and architecture were achieved before mohammad lived. Islam burned the libraries, razed the edifices, and killed everyone who had a critical mind.
Segovia
Level 4
Apr 10, 2019
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Yes, but just as Christian culture flourished after the Dark Ages, Islamic art, architecture etc. flourished during the "Islamic Golden Age" (8th - 15th centuries). Just look at the examples of art and architecture found in Andalusia for example, or the invention of Kerosene by the Persian, Razi in the 9th century, or the convex lens, first described in 1021 by Ibn Al Haytham?
Just because there have been advances in Islamist regions does not mean the advances are direct results of the ideology.
Nightmaniac1969
Level 4
Apr 10, 2019
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Just because there have been advances in Islamist regions does not mean the advances are direct results of the ideology.
Nightmaniac1969
Level 4
Apr 10, 2019
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No.
James
Level 7
Apr 10, 2019
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Care to expound?
It was a simple question. So I gave a simple answer. We should not be "encouraging" Islam or any other religion due to the separation of church and state.
With regard to Islam in particular, their social mores are incompatible with western culture. The Iran of the 1970's versus what it has become now is an example of "more of it" when it comes to Islam. Less of it was better. Less of Islam was more compatible with what used to be referred to as "The Free World".
The contributions cited above are ancient. To paraphrase Janet Jackson, what have they done for us lately?
Aside from terrorism, mass invasion-like immigration, creating "no go" zones where they impose Sharia Law and refusing to assimilate into western countries society, I cannot think of anything.
...Oh wait, rape. They appear to have contributed to that allot in the western countries they have invaded, er, immigrated to. Can't forget that one.
Here are the top names in each field of human accomplishment as determined and sourced by the powers that be in each one of those fields. Excludes recent history. [en.wikipedia.org]
In Murray's book I believe his list extends to 100 names for each field so I'm sure there might be one or two muslim names on there other than just arabic literature.
My favorite painting in the Philadelphia art museum is "the Moorish Chief" which of course was painted by an Austrian. [philamuseum.org]
In architectural history class we did study some of the Moorish architecture.
The take away shouldn't be to denigrate Islam for it's few positive accomplishments. But, we should critically look at the doctrine it teaches and recognize the evil that it has encouraged and spread everywhere it is taught and demand that those who espouse that faith mitigate it's destructive behavior.
RobBlair
Level 8
Apr 10, 2019
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I agree. Islam is a religion of politics. When Muhammad reached Medina, he became a warlord and his words became much political - Hadith, roughly speaking.
My goodness you have poked a nerve with these people... The answer is no, but I'm not going to call you names or attack you.
BossPig
Level 5
Apr 10, 2019
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Thanks for that. But don't worry, my back is straight, my shoulders are square, my navel is central and my skin is thick! LOL
Those items you mention where created in Middle East long before Islam was hallucinated by a false prophet which is a blight on humanitity and intellectual freedom but you know this already jaja shitteposter
fisherman0707
Level 6
Apr 10, 2019
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You call me a shitposter. Why? Do you regard the topic I offered for discussion worthless?
@Incajackson Not at all but you offered items up for discussion that where created long before Islam was shat upon World
@Incajackson Actually I like some Islamic Architecture it is quite sublime at least their great works like Alhambra in Granada
@fisherman0707 Again - I didn't say they were "created" by followers of Islam. I said followers of Islam "contributed" to these things.
@fisherman0707 I love the architecture of Alhambra
@Incajackson Like I said most of those contributions of which you speak predate Islam by 1000 years please give me a more modern example
Wow, do you really believe this? I just have another question back at you. With all the great achievements that you claim Islam has made, why is it that Muslims still just squat and shit in the streets, wiping their ass with their hand and spreading germs all over?
Karma-Fride
Level 5
Apr 10, 2019
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You've made the assumption that I believe it. I merely posted the subject as an topic for debate!
Seems to be working!
Not sure about the squatting and shitting in the street though! Didn't see any of that on my travels to Islamic countries. Where did you see that?
@Incajackson I could say that I did not say you believed it but rather that I asked if you believed it. I am looking for it and the one of a woman squatting in her Burka at the subway. Yes with me you did hit a talking point. If I find one or both will link it. So many things that go against the idea that Islam is all about peace and Muslims are clean of my post in different forums get removed. I keep saying I am going to copy them at the time to a USB so I have them when I refer to them, but I end up forgetting while I check other things out and then log off and say "Next Time' OK this is why I get distracted I find things like this to look at. Darn it it will not let me leave a picture. I will just have to describe it. It is a tall man about 28, dark hair, wearing a tool built and jeans and a very nice 6 pak for his chest.
Say WHAT now? math, science, medicine, geometry, poetry, philosophy, THESE things belong to the GREEKS mate! the only thing that Islam has produced is a political war machine hell bent on global dominance through a combination of fear and terror or by subversive political means or population expansionism. I suggest you tell your story walking mate.
ROGAN
Level 5
Apr 10, 2019
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I didn't say they were "invented" by followers of Islam. I said they were "contributed" to by followers of Islam.
Mate.
@Incajackson To what "degree" specifically were these contributions I wonder? I mean to say, cavemen used to use basic elements to leave paintings on the walls of the caves they used to inhabit....do THEY get the credit for inventing " art " per-say?
Shapiro mentions this very thought at 5:01min in this video.
@Incajackson totally get where you meant to go with this but in that case people of all Faiths and creeds have "contributed" to some degree to the betterment of mankind and our knowledge base.
I think what's happening here is that your argument sounds like it's saying "this is what Islam did so let's encourage it" I dunno...
@Incajackson the only way they "contributed" was by preserving all the Greek writings during a dark time. Like it's stated above, almost everything you mentioned came from Greece!
Actually, I'm not saying we should encourage it, which is why I framed my OP as a question. But it's fascinating to read how many people jump to conclusions!
@Incajackson sorry I sincerely thought that's what you meant when you said "instead...shouldn't we be encouraging more of it?" Maybe others read it that way as well.
Did you mean encouraging their positive contributions? If so, I don't think anyone is discouraging it. Anyone who ever stepped foot at a school or in the professional world knows that.
Interesting. Maybe America-centric.
Since 9/11 34,000+ terrorist attacks in 67 countries worldwide. 99%+ committed by the religion of peace. Subjugation of women. Female genital mutilation. Stoning adulterous women to death. Throwing gay people off of buildings. Beheading all heretics. Killing all heretics who leave the religion, or do not accept Islam. Stilll living in the 14th century. Yes, as brain dead, American Progressives, who worship at the alter of multiculturalism and inclusivity, we should encourage more of this barbaric behavior. Of course. After all we are morally consistent, consider our passionate advocacy of killing babies right up to the day of delivery. Do you have an issue with murder? You must be a non caring fascist. We care.
monteray98
Level 4
Apr 10, 2019
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Hey you will love this if you don't know about it already.
[thereligionofpeace.com]
I do not condone any of the appalling facts that you cite.
I am not American, nor a progressive, nor a fascist.
I am not in favour of multiculturalism nor fake inclusivity.
Go figure!
@Incajackson ..." so instead of denigrating Islam we should be encouraging more of it. ..". Your statement. What is your point?
All of us know your country of origin. We look at profiles.
If it walks like a duck. If it quacks like a duck. It might be a duck. Are you not an advocate of equality of results, which equates to Socialism/Communism in every textbook ever written?
@Incajackson You say that but yet the question you proposed says something completely different!
Nope!
I didn't make a statement - I asked the question! So, if you're going to quote, quote correctly!
Wow, you're bag emotions! Calm down. That's not the premise of the discussion ,right? Let's get back to the original post.
Let me guess, you went to university! Islam is a war machine pure and simple and to believe that there anything else is unbelievable. I think you should get your nose out of the books and take a look around and see what's happening. "ENCOURAGING MORE OF IT" dear God man give your head a good shake..............
rogue
Level 5
Apr 10, 2019
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Guess again!
@Incajackson No need, I know where your head is at.................
Well, I guess that makes one of us.
Unfortunately Perversion, Corruption & War now thrive under the cloak of Islam and many other religious dogmas, Islam is no longer what it used to be, will it ever be restored to the glory it once stood for? who knows, It's not easy finding educated people on subjects like this, because these days everyone has their own opinion with nothing but superficial evidence to back their claims.
Valentine
Level 5
Apr 10, 2019
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These contributions were well before the discovery of the New World. Mostly revolving around the Muslim sacking of the library of Alexandria and those books were mostly burned and the practice of advanced science and math violently oppressed in a lovely little revival of purist Islam. I support reformed Islam not the hardliners.
10thGeneration
Level 7
Apr 10, 2019
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Aayan Hirsi Ali and Imam Tawhidi have some interesting things to say about reforming Islam. I agree that a reform is long overdue.
@Incajackson Yea but will a reform ever happen, who's going to lead this reform?
Guess Muslims have never built a Rocket ?
your comment " I support reformed Islam not the hardliners." makes me shake my head. - and
Why?....BOTH sides read from the same book and the BOOK is the reason they do what they do. Ergo, to me? there IS - NO " difference ". there are no such thing as a " moderate " for that very same reason both so-called moderates and hardliners read from the exact same book and must follow it, or they are not being true to their faith.
From what I understand (and that's not much!), the barrier to reform is that Muslims regard the Koran as being the word of Allah and is therefore "perfect". It cannot therefore be changed. However, the Hadith, which I think contains the interpretations of the words of Mohammed by subsequent Islamic scholars could be changed or even abolished. This is something that Imam Tawhidi is campaigning for. He gets plenty of death threats for his pains.
I think the Chinese were the first to build a rocket with the invention of gunpowder.
Can't cherry pick what you want . You can't separate Islam from pedophilia , domestic violence , racial and ethnic hatred , ambitions of world conquest and intolerance .
Georgesblogforum
Level 7
Apr 10, 2019
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WOW! - that sounds like a governments job these days...
@ROGAN Definitely not a religion .
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