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@ReallyGoodOptics it's this thread
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We already have the only limits needed legislated already. Other than what is law already, who chooses what is allowed?

Greatest ally? I would disagree, we are their puppet doing their bidding interested Middle East thanks to money and special interests corrupting our government. The attack on the USS Liberty is a perfect example of what an "ally" they truly are.

How is it anti-Semitic and racist? If that is the case it is racist to oppose any government that isn't white, Venezuela for example. The racist and anti-Semitic angle is just being pushed because of special interests and it amazes me people believe it. When u place any country on a pedestal like Americans do Israel u invite atrocities without repercussions or accountability. U can hate the Israel gov and not hate jews and to say otherwise is just wrong.

@george It's pure logic and facts: It's racist and anti-semitic because it questions the very legitimacy of existence of the only Jewish people's country in the world. No other country's right to exist is similarly questioned. Ergo, it's because of the very Jewishness of Israel. Ergo, it's anti-semitic by the very definition of that term. QED.

When any other country, whose government has done questionable things, is similarly treated, then you can talk about it not being anti-semitic. Until then, it is.

PS. Criticizing any specific action of the Israeli government, is perfectly legitimate form of political discourse. For example, I very vociferously criticized the Israeli government when they signed the Oslo accords. What's racist and anti-semitic is denying the very legitimacy of the state of Israel.

@george Secondly, the BDS movement often uses the phrase "From the river to the sea Palestine will be free". This is explicitly a call for the annihilation of the Jewish State of Israel, and all of its Jewish citizens. This is a call for the second Holocaust, which is also an anti-semitic and racist talking point.

@brt0 no one is question the right of Israel to exist with the BDS, they are saying if the Israeli government is gonna continue its war crimes then we should sanction them the same as we do other countries. The Israeli government don't get to play anti-Semitic cards to justify its crimes. No one says it's racist to sanction Venezuela or Iran but because of one reason alone, religion, the Israeli government is protected with BS arguments.

@george Please read what I actually wrote. "From the river to the sea Palestine will be free" as an explicit call for the destruction of Israel. It is used by the BDS movement. You can't hide that. And that alone is sufficient to brand them as anti-semites forever.

As for the alleged war crimes, please offer proof of such. And make sure that all other countries that have done the same or worse are similarly treated. If you only single out Israel for whatever they've done but not other countries that have done the same or worse, you're an anti-semitic hypocrite.

Again, you can criticize Israel and its government all you want as long as you apply the same standards of criticism to other countries. But you can't question it's right to exist unless you also question the same of all other countries.

@brt0 u can claim that's what it means all u want but I don't agree with u about it.

@george You don't have to agree or disagree. You can just listen to what the originators of the phrase say it means. And they say that it does mean that the state of Israel and all its Jewish citizens will be wiped off the face of the earth. And they go even further, and say that they want all Jews wiped off the face of the Earth. You can't get any more anti-semitic than that.

This phrase was originated by Hamas. It's in their chapter and in all their internal communications. That's who you're aligning yourself with.

@brt0 link me to them saying wipe the Jews off the face of the earth. I haven't seen that one. The BDS movement is not Hamas or any other Islamic terror group so I need to see something that is from the BDS movement instead of things Hamas has said beng portrayed as the BDS movement.

@george Plenty of quote from BDS and DSA folks that include that phrase: [dailywire.com]

Here's an article on the link between BDS and Hamas and PFLP: [observer.com]

NB: Palestinian Omar Barghouti, a founding member of BDS, contends, “A Jewish state in Palestine in any shape or form cannot but contravene the basic rights of the indigenous Palestinian… most definitely we oppose a Jewish state in any part of Palestine….Ending the occupation doesn’t mean anything if it doesn’t mean upending the Jewish state itself.”

Dude, stop with the anti-semitic coolaid. It'll rot your brain.

@brt0 BDS don't say wipe jews off the earth in that article and anyone can take two things G's and tie kinks to them in order to smear anyone or thing. I don't doubt anti-Semitic people support BDS but BDS itself is not anti-Semitic from what u linked here. I know we will never agree on this one tho and I'll support BDS until u show me them saying anti-Semitic stuff. Having to add context and use two different articles and such to reach a conclusion just isnt my way to truth. Same way not all Trump supporters aren't racist but all day with are Trump supporters is the same idea.

@george I'm sorry, did you actually read the actual quote from the actual co-founder of BDS that I included above that says exactly that ??????? And if so, how can you possibly dismiss it? This defies all logic.

@brt0 u are adding an interpretation to the quote that I don't agree with being valid. I've already said that but maybe it wasn't clear. I see the quote as saying Palestinians won't be under occupation and will enjoy freedom. U are adding context and pushing a narrative on to the quote that I would say all defenders of Israel do to deflect from the atrocities they commit. Like I said, we will never agree on this one because I'm all for BDS and I'm not anti-Semitic. It's about the actions of the Israeli government and nothing to do with people on a personal level.

@george It is not possible to interpret "most definitely we oppose a Jewish state in any part of Palestine" as what you say. It is willful and intentional misinterpretation to fit a preconceived idea. You can't "disagree" with the quote and maintain intellectual honesty and integrity.

As for "narrative", there is none here. I'm just stating the fact of the quote and letting it speak for itself.

As for not being anti-semitic, you are. By your own admission above, you are part of the BDS movement, which, as I have shown with undisputed facts (you didn't dispute the validity of the quote, so you accept it as valid) and logic (the quote can't be interpreted as you have, its plain language is obvious to anyone with an ounce of intellectual honesty) above, is anti-semitic.

@brt0 OFCOURSE in anti-Semitic. I'm also a racist, bigot, sexist, homophobe, transphobe, xenophobe or any other thing I want to label me. Just goes to show how ignorant Americans and the west have got, any bit of disagreement and so done has to be full of hate some way. I love how the right wing is resorting to the SJW style of debate now days. Just call others bad things so u can dismiss the idea and still feel like u have some moral high ground.

U supporting Israel killing innocent women in kids in the Gaza Strip shows u are a racist just as much as I am so we can leave it at that. Anytime there is a disagreement it is always because of Ra ism and hate. Got to love the intellectual weakness that is taking over all of politics because people are to lazy to put a real argument together.

Since we have spoke a total of about 15 messages why don't u tell me more about what I am and how I feel about others. U and the SJW crowd seem to be awesome psychics. I get this same stuff from them every time I call out their craziness too.

@george Yes, you are anti-semitic. As such, you're also racist and bigoted in that limited way. I don't know if you're also racist and bigoted in any other way.

The other labels you affixed to yourself, however sarcastically, have no supporting evidence. Whereas your anti-semitism is on clear display, you haven't shown me any behaviors that would allow me to argue convincingly that you're sexist, a homophobe, a transphobe or any of the other things on that list. You forgot islamophobe, if there is such a thing, although you probably are anything but.

As for me supporting killing of innocent women and children in the Gaza Strip, or anywhere else, I don't. But I understand the difference between innocent civilians being targeted for political purposes (as the Palestinians do) and collateral casualties of a war (such as those killed in every other war in the history of humanity).

This is at the core of your anti-semitism. You require that the Israeli defense forces and government behave better than you require of any other country in the world. The only explanation for this is your anti-semitism.

But you know, all the civilian casualties would stop instantly if you convince your buddies the Palestinians to just stop blowing up, shooting, running over and knifing Jews.

Hell, all they really have to do is put on a distinct uniform, only intentionally target the Israeli armed forces (as the IDF, and every other country's armed forces, do), and stop operating from under civilian cover (again, as IDF and every other country's armed forces, do), things will get better in a hurry.

The funny part is that, other than the issue of BDS and anti-semitism, we share many concerns. For example, I share your concerns about intellectual laziness in the political discourse. This is why I've continued with this discussion, and tried to conduct it on the basis of facts and logic, not emotion.

Of course, the funniest part of your last para is where you all but called me an SJW! I showed it to a couple of my friends who are actual hard-core lefties, and they laughed themselves silly. In the local GOP I"m known as being slightly to the right of Genghis Khan.

Basically, George, from what I see, you're barking up the wrong tree.

@brt0 I suggest an eye exam if that is what u see.

@george Personal attacks are not convincing arguments.

@brt0 [nytimes.com]

If it's anti-Semitic to be against this then sign me up is all I can say. U can turn a blind eye all u want and say anyone criticizing Israel is just racist but that does not make it true in any sense.

And i do apologize if u took that as a personal insult. That wasn't the intent.

@george Thank you for the kinder words.

Somehow, though, I'm not communicating my point successfully. I am NOT saying that criticizing Israel per se is in any way objectionable. But singling out Israel for behavior that any other state is not similarly treated for and denying Israel's right to exist is what is objectionable.