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“Moderates” are congratulating themselves on limiting the scope of the articles of impeachment, saying this is a bill the entire caucus could get behind. I fail to appreciate the distinction: they’re impeaching a president with imaginary charges.

They’re just quibbling over which smells better— dog shit, or cat shit.

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This has more to do with setting a precedence of allowing hearsay evidence into a court preceding, hearsay evidence has never been allowed in a court preceding, Once this happens anyone could be convicted of a crime by those who simple dislike someone.

KeVince Level 8 Dec 11, 2019

A very bad precedence for any future President for sure but remember this is a political issue not a criminal issue. That said they will be right back at it in 2020 unless he wins and Republicans take the House if the dems hold the house it will be a rerun.

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The guys digging their fox hole in the middle of the battle field would do well to keep digging.

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This wasn't done to remove the President it was done to disparage him. The ball is in McConnel's hands now. They have either brokered a deal or they're hoping the Republicans will just want to put this mess behind them. The President is pissed as hell and he wants some people's asses kicked. The Republicans can hold a trial and drag it out pulling Sanders and Warren off the campaign trail, produce any damning evidence they have to smear the dems and then right before the election vote not to impeach which will hurt the dems. Unsure if they could rig the Senate trial to be a partisan endeavor as the dems did in these hearings. They could subpoena the whistleblower and eat up court time fighting with Zaid about compelling the whistleblower. How long do they have to make the decision whether to go to trial or not? the way if Sanders or Warren are the chosen as the nominee.

dd54 Level 8 Dec 10, 2019
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Extreme moderates are overrated.

Facci Level 7 Dec 10, 2019
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Moderation in the face of tyranny is no virtue.

Facci Level 7 Dec 10, 2019
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moderates are the only ones that will be able to come out on top from all this in th court of public oinion.

I disagree - either Trump committed impeachable acts or he didn't - there is no room for "moderation" on the matter. Either you vote to impeach or you vote no...light switch ON light switch OFF...ON / OFF ON / OFF...

@iThink true. This was a political activist performance for their batshit crazy acolytes to disparage Trump not impeach him. I think they actually thought they could change the Republican polity. They should have cut bait before nanci announced but I think shitless and the far-left convinced her they could spin it and win it. Not.

@iThink i am merely saying that political moderates ,(sane rational politicians) will be the ones to most benefit from impeachment. they're doing great in polls all over because the only people that seem to have any skin in the game of impeachment are the progressive left and the far right combating them. everyone else knows its a sham and wants no part of it.

@iThink, @dd54 sure, they're hoping that they did enough damage to get people to come out in record numbers and vote against him. thats the only metric by which the democrats have a chance of winning.

@jamesjohn true enough. I'm hoping it brings out the independents and conservatives that didn't vote in 2016.

@dd54 independents in almost every poll I've seen are being swayed republican because of this . the democrats have just moved too far left for many peoples taste, and thats a big advantage for moderates and conservatives.

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Cat shit. Cat farts, on the other hand...

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