The constant war inflicted on the middle east is only delaying Islamic societies from evolving keeping them from working out issues of their own from within. Something the U.S. doesnt understand as being important in order for a country to properly develop, it must be allowed to do so on it's own.

It is interesting how seemingly insignificant historical events can have such a huge impact. Let's not forget that it was adherents to Islam that began the mathematics and scientific revolution that Europe and its Renaissance took for granted and sought to expand upon. But yeah, it's the small things.

Well, that's obvious really. Thanks for the quote, though! ('frothy-phobic'... you are very polite towards idiots, ha ha!)

I am not sure about resolving its internal difference though. I am no expert on theology under the Umeyyad, but considering the split Sunni-Shia is still ongoing (violently at times) even nowadays, I guess Europe would have been in the claws of religious wars as brutal as with Catholics vs Protestants was... But I may be wrong, so I remain like @James: should you want and can develop on that...

Regarding the battle, there is some controversy:

"...Other historians disagree with this assessment. Alessandro Barbero writes, "Today, historians tend to play down the significance of the battle of Poitiers, pointing out that the purpose of the Muslim force defeated by Charles Martel was not to conquer the Frankish kingdom, but simply to pillage the wealthy monastery of St-Martin of Tours".[67] Similarly, Tomaž Mastnak writes:

Modern historians have constructed a myth presenting this victory as having saved Christian Europe from the Muslims. Edward Gibbon, for example, called Charles Martel the savior of Christendom and the battle near Poitiers an encounter that changed the history of the world. ... This myth has survived well into our own times. ... Contemporaries of the battle, however, did not overstate its significance. The continuators of Fredegar's chronicle, who probably wrote in the mid-eighth century, pictured the battle as just one of many military encounters between Christians and Saracens – moreover, as only one in a series of wars fought by Frankish princes for booty and territory. ... One of Fredegar's continuators presented the battle of Poitiers as what it really was: an episode in the struggle between Christian princes as the Carolingians strove to bring Aquitaine under their rule.[68]

The historian Philip Khuri Hitti believes that "In reality nothing was decided on the battlefield of Tours. The Moslem wave, already a thousand miles from its starting point in Gibraltar – to say nothing about its base in al-Qayrawan – had already spent itself and reached a natural limit."[69]

"...In their introduction to The Reader's Companion to Military History Robert Cowley and Geoffrey Parker summarise this side of the modern view of the Battle of Tours by saying

The study of military history has undergone drastic changes in recent years. The old drums-and-bugles approach will no longer do. Factors such as economics, logistics, intelligence, and technology receive the attention once accorded solely to battles and campaigns and casualty counts. Words like "strategy" and "operations" have acquired meanings that might not have been recognizable a generation ago. Changing attitudes and new research have altered our views of what once seemed to matter most. For example, several of the battles that Edward Shepherd Creasy listed in his famous 1851 book The Fifteen Decisive Battles of the World rate hardly a mention here, and the confrontation between Muslims and Christians at Poitiers-Tours in 732, once considered a watershed event, has been downgraded to a raid in force.[71]

[en.wikipedia.org]

Regarding the internal differences going on with Islam? Of that I know nothing. Can you give some more information and maybe a reference or two to illustrate that point please?

Well now, some serious delusion going on there. Does ANYONE believe the 'what if's' created by absolute degenerate morons?

Was this from one of his fiction books. Maybe you should read a little Asimov the mind controlled society of his Foundation Series are closer to what is going on today.

Arthur C Clarke ???.... You mean the science fiction writer ??? L Ron Hubbard was writing science fiction too.,... I did read a lot f those....For entertainement... Hubbard started.....Yeah... The Dianetic and the scientology church..

Listen.... Very carefully.. Christian Barbarism (chuckle) Is just a made up expression aimed at guilt trip the judeo christians civilization.... They were not worse than ISLAM that was converting everything they touched by force.
Faith...NO ONE and I mean NO ONE during that time had the same value for human life than we do today... And that is true for pretty much all the history of ANYWHERE..

Have you ever heard.... All the routes are leading to Rome ?? Probably I suspect... There is a reason for that. See the Roman did build great routes and path trough out all the Empire.. Than they under contracted every part of those road.... People were responsible of the maintaining of the road in exchange for the land each side of that road...So during the empire the road was always taken cared of.... And people were growing Olives and all kind of stuff selling it to people traveling and making a living.... it was genius.... people where traveling ideas were exchanged education was passed... Economy was triving...

When the ISLAMIST took all of this... they did shut down the roads....and put goats instead of this working system that have been working for ages... Of course.... you want to convert by force better keep everyone ignorant in the next generation....The roads went in decay... No one was traveling anymore. And the Dark age came... thank you ISLAM Alluh AKBAR....

Plus there was a mini ice age at that time.... Barbarism come easy when you are HUNGRY...

Fortunately.... The Roman Catholic church did carry the flame in hard time and kept copying most of the writing that was done during the Classic and the Empire time.... And that's one reason...why you are NOT wearing a burka today and that you can say what you want and think what you want today Faith.... Thank god for Charles Martel and the French...And it is an absolute mongolian cluster fuck way to think if you expect any evolution in the ISLAMIC faith...

ISLAM might have resolve...blah blah blah blah ISLAM doesn't resolve....They convert....by force...And keep you tied up under Allah...and his pedophile prophet... They were doing that 1400 year ago.... they still wanna do that today..

There IS NO evolution in ISLAM..

The Judeo Christian DID self criticism themself though.... And that's why today.... YOU CAN SAY what you WANT.. NO other reasons.... It wasn't pretty to get there.. But we did. which is more than you can say for the religion of hate... and war...

This is laughable. Arthur C. Clarke would not have even been able to write his books in a world governed by Islam, which shows just how ignorant of Islam he was.
Islam has had over 1400yrs of wars that it instigated against its neighbors. How can Mr. Clarke be ignorant of Islams 1400 yrs of conquest, colonization and murder? Years of conquest that went on long before European colonization and is going on today with the mass migration of Islamic invaders to the West under the lie of being refugees, multi-culturalism and diversity. There isn't a single Muslim governed society that has any of these qualities.

How in the hell do you set up that computer simulation?

Question: Can a computer simulation spit out someone's opinion?
Answer: Yes. I guess it can--there's something for the anti-climate change folks.

By the way, we would have had the wheel 1000 years earlier if someone had invented it 1000 years earlier.

Ok, messing around aside, I'd need a lot more information to entertain the assertion.

The frothy-phobic part was funny, though. I'm going to try to find a place to use that.

Impossible to calculate. A billion variables. Could have just as easily resulted in a reset of the dark ages and we might be 200 years away from the industrial revolution today.

So you think we'd all be better off as Muslims in space rather Christians on earth?? So you want to spread the hate, chaos and barbarianism throughout the galaxy?? No thanks, I'd rather live in my world than your vision...

I think I’m missing the website link. Are these the same computer simulations from 1979 that predicted global environmental collapse by 2000?