RamZPaul reminds me of Ammianus Marcellinus who wrote The Later Roman Empire in decaying Rome. He was what we would call a conservative today. He supported traditional Roman values and religion. He had great interest in politics and believed that a good leader could save Rome. Most of the book is all about politics and the leading figures of his time. History proved Marcellinus wrong, the politics made no difference. The good leaders made no difference. The culture was simply hopelessly rotten. And the same holds true today. Because the politics is so irrelevant, I skimmed much of this. Much more interesting were his few accounts of the Romans at this time.

Men of learning and sobriety are shunned as bringers of bad luck who have nothing to contribute.

If they [nobles] hear of the sudden appearance of some obscure strumpet, some old street-walker who has earned her living by selling herself to the townsfolk, they vie in courting and caressing the newcomer, and praise her in such outrageously flattering terms as the Parthians used to Semiramis, the Egyptians to their Cleopatras, the Carians to Artemisia, or the people of Palmyra to Zenobia. Such is the behaviour of men among whose ancestors a senator was thought to have behaved improperly and to deserve a reprimand from the censor because he kissed his wife in the presence of their own daughter.

Let me now turn to the idle and lazy proletariat. [...] They devote their whole life to drink, gambling, brothels, shows, and pleasure in general. Their temple, dwelling, meeting-place, in fact the centre of all their hopes and desires, is the Circus Maximus.

To turn now to the vulgarity of the stage. The players are hissed off unless the favour of the mob has been purchased by a bribe. If there is no demonstration of this sort they follow the example of the savages of the Chersonese, and clamour for the expulsion of foreigners from the city, though they have always been dependent on the help of these same foreigners for their livelihood. Their language is foul and senseless, very different from that in which the commons of earlier times expressed their feelings and wishes, and of which many witty and elegant examples are preserved by tradition.

Early Christian Lives covers the same time period. These Christians had a very different perspective. They understood that Rome was hopelessly corrupt and fled. First individually into the desert as Saint Antony did. As more followed they formed communities and then monasteries. And finally Saint Benedict came up with a good set of rules for monasteries that allowed them to thrive and serve as an anchor for towns of people fleeing decaying Rome.

I am sure that the educated people of this time, like Ammianus Marcellinus, considered these Christains to be irrelevant lunatics and thought that the leading politicians of their time were the people who mattered. History has proven the opposite to be true. My argument is that most here, RamZPaul and his followers, are making the same mistake as Marcellinus. The West is hopelessly corrupt and cannot saved through politics. The average modern rural white is basically white trash, better than urban degenerates but still nothing like the Americans of the past.

Could secession work? Rome tried that too. The east seceded and formed the Byzantine Empire. Their culture is described in The Secret History by Procopius. He wrote this about marriage at that time:

The ladies of the court at this time were nearly all of abandoned morals. They ran no risk in being faithless to their husbands, as the sin brought no penalty: even if caught in the act, they were unpunished, for all they had to do was to go to the Empress, claim the charge was not proven, and start a countersuit against their husbands. The latter, defeated without a trial, had to pay a fine of twice the dower, and were usually whipped and sent to prison; and the next time they saw their adulterous wives again, the ladies would be daintily entertaining their lovers more openly than ever. Indeed, many of the latter gained promotion and pay for their amorous services. After one such experience, most men who suffered these outrages from their wives preferred thereafter to be complaisant instead of being whipped, and gave them every liberty rather than seem to be spying on their affairs.

A new nation of rural white trash would not be any more moral. They have lost their religion which is the foundation of morality. Promiscuity is rampant throughout American society and this is dysgenic which means it causes evolutionary decay. Whatever advantages whites have, or had, over other groups will soon disappear as they continue to decay both culturally and genetically.

There is a solution to all this. It is the solution of the early Christians in Rome. Reject the whole decaying western society and form new communities based on strong religion. There is no need to attack the lunatic Left because they will eventually destroy themselves. When the West crumbles, these communities can save western civilization just as the Benedictine monasteries did when Rome collapsed.