This was my reply that I did in wrong spot....

@DanielEvans

Ok. Regarding what men like to see...to each his own. I'm a demisexual with few physical traits as necessary. Honesty and compassion are sexy. Loyalty and faithfulness are sexy. Physical beauty is fleeting. If your makeup looks like Mimi from the Drew Carrey Show then good luck and stock up on cat food.

Now some of the "Staceys" may get more dates, especially with the "Chads", but each has a high probability of a meaningless life. The Stacey's don't have time on their side but they don't realize it while young...thus, the cock carousel they ride. Their value drops precipitously. In their 30s they panic and find a beta-male provider. (But they're always a risk to cheat...take for instance the MILF phenomenon.)

The Chad's have time on their side. Maybe they try one relationship as a marriage. It likely fails and they're in their 40s back on the market. (This btw is my story) They find dating easy, especially 25-35 year old women. It's fun until it's not fun. So then, MGTOW. And nirvana. And peace. And quiet. You get the point.

Ok. I'm not sure I addressed your relocated reply but I'm just describing to you the current dating scene as I participate in it. Thank you for moving a little my way in acknowledging the lying nature of women. Do I hate women? Noooo. My mom, sister, and daughter are women. But I know this much...they lie. Alot! They admit so. Hell. My exwife admitted she told our daughter to lie on her Air Force application (against my advice) and she got punished for it. Her dream job in OTS was rescinded and she was forced into dental hygiene training rather than interpreting (French) school with a chance of working in embassies. Sad story. Double majored poli-sci and French at a great small liberal arts school and now she cleans teeth. All because she agreed with her mother to lie on her application. SMH forever on that one.

Ok, now I'm really tired.

@dmatic

@DanielEvans hense the comment on why lie. The backlash or consequences far outweighs the immediate gratification of the moment. Your experiences are not unique to men. Some of us women have no interest in the Chad's, and eventually one becomes jaded enough to give up. While I am not a Mimi face paint look alike, I may go ahead and stock up on the cat food and enjoy the peace. Lol I do maintain that not ALL women are liars, just as not ALL men are either. It's an everybody thing, but not necessarily everyone. Thank you for your honest point of view.

First I would like to call BS. Second, I don't know the caliber of women you associate with, but it is unfortunate that those with which you do, feel a need to lie about basically everything and have become so comfortable with it they, according to you, pretty much do so all the time. Just a thought, maybe you should broaden your female interactions to include mature and intelligent women To be perfectly frank, the desire or perceived need to lie is mostly lost on me, as well as a large number of women I know. Itt only serves a temporary purpose, but eventually the truth comes out and the temporary purpose is dwarfed in comparison to the backlash or consequences of the lie. My contention to the whole idea of lies and deception is why bother? Perhaps those who live in an entirely hedonistic state of being can find value in lies, which is not exclusive to women. There are plenty of men who lie, or bend truths for their own gain, but it would be rather narrow minded of me to lump all men together and apply such a blanket statement. Perhaps two people going out on a date should have a financial discussion of expectations regarding what they are doing and how they plan to equitably share in the expenses. That would, of course, require mature communication of both parties. Perhaps that is what is lacking, not just truth

@Tomberlin48 I've interacted with myriad females personally, professionally, familial, relationships, friendships, acquaintanceships, etc.. all covering a wide variety of demographics from race, age, faith, and educational level. I know what I wrote was polarizing but it's not bullshit. Women lie...alot!! Some are huge. And some are so small and part of their intuitive behavior that they little know or believe they're doing it.
I have no emotional investment in women's lies. I'm just pointing out a truth. Disagreeing that it is truth should not illicit any emotional response either. Agree?

@DanielEvans...please above...lol I hit wrong "reply"

@DanielEvans, and please let me further embarrass myself by asking, what in the world does MGTOW mean? Thanks

@Tomberlin48 @dmatic
Men Going Their Own Way... takes many forms but essentially is men who refuse to abide by society's or culture's prescribed norms for intimacy between the sexes. For example, MGTOW are very unlikely to get married without an ironclad prenup. We'd never , if marrying, buy an engagement ring. We don't date or involve ourselves with women who are divorced or single with kids and "ready to settle down." That phrase just means they're done riding the cock carousel and looking for a provider man now. These women are typically in their mid 30s and admit to dating too many "bad boys" and ask "where are all the good men?" If we do take on a relationship and she needs a "girls night out" that's the minute we walk....her just saying that.

Basically just think of every gynocentric law and cultural norm (chivalry, white-knighting, ladies before gentlemen bs... ) and you'll get the point. MGTOW are taking back autonomy and refusing to endorse female promiscuity. Oh. Also, we like to slut shame when we go out and are getting hit on by women who think their shit doesn't stink and that we are horny dogs ready to hump. It's more fun humiliating them by passing on their offers of sex on the first night. Because all an orgasm is...is an orgasm. I've had 48 partners in my life. There's no variety left in women that I need to have.

Wow. I typed alot. Hungry. Gtg. Bye.