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Agree or disagree? And if you agree, where do you draw the line?

eschatologyguy 9 Sep 22
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It is 100% free speech. Unless it calls to violence or crosses the line of slander/libel, then it is protected. I just wish we were as good at using it as the communists. They've still got people believing we're the "greatest threat to democracy", as they literally destroy all public faith in our institutions, while tanking the economy and herding us towards a one world currency and government. I don't think our side can even comprehend the levels of organized corruption that would take. They are truly good at their craft, unfortunately.

I think the problem lies with the definition (or lack thereof) of gaslighting.

According to Dr Vara Saripali (Psy. D), gaslighting "is a form of psychological abuse in which a person or group causes someone to question their own sanity, memories, or perception of reality. People who experience gaslighting may feel confused, anxious, or as though they cannot trust themselves."

@eschatologyguy there are lots of ways to abuse people that are perfectly legal. Our laws are predicated on people being able to judge and making decisions to protect themselves as sovereign individuals. For instance, I am a hybrid troll around here. I'm responding to you, because I like you. Mostly though, I refuse to view replies. Especially if they're from our local communists. One side of that coin is that I'm refusing to debate, and enforcing my own echo chamber. The other side is that I'm simply refusing to subject myself to the exact type of abuse you are describing. There are only so many fake news talking points and verifiably false facts that one can spout before I discount them completely. Others may be incapable of protecting themselves. But it has to be this way. There has to be a line in the sand, else our rights become subjective. If we lose the freedom to be a heretic, we lose everything.

@JordanMiller The better utilization of Liberty is to have the freedom to do what we ought, not the freedom to do whatever the hell we like. To misuse liberty to do whatever the hell we like is the recipe for societal collapse.

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Total BS. Of course it is free speech. None of the examples of gaslighting I have seen involve countering the first person's comment with a lie or untruth. Simply confusion. It is not the gaslighter's fault if someone cannot keep things straight. And, if speech hurts your feelings, go live in a cave.

I see you complaing about a lot of things the Left say. What are you complaining about then?

@eschatologyguy I don't see what I am saying here as a complaint. Just not going with the idea that free speech can be limited by any but the most extraordinary circumstances.

As to commenting about "the Left", I think you might be confusing my terminology. There was a nice little piccie that captured the idea, but, of course I cannot find it now.
Anyhoo, a few years back there was a simple spectrum, the Left and the Right. Now, I agree with JPeterson, both are desperately needed in any functioning society. But, over the last few years the group occupying the left side of the spectrum have wholeheartedly embraced the most poisonous ideology in history -- any sort of collectivist BS. This has moved the spectrum drastically. So much so that those few folk who have held on to their beliefs (formerly called "Left" ) now find themselves in the middle. They also find themselves grossly outnumbered and nudged out of power since they refuse to buy into the cult.
The left side of the spectrum is totally dominated by what I call commie trash. They have no one's well being in mind except their own. It has gotten so bad in some areas that ..... well, few gov'mts once in that state can peaceably right themselves.

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The biggest gaslighters of all are racist blacks that beat up whitey while saying black people cannot be racist

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Like any other lie or twist of the truth, it’s unfortunate that public discourse these days is subject to people and groups who are willing to distort facts to persuade. Gaslighting is free speech, I suppose, but it’s a distasteful by-product of rights in a supposedly free society, much like the proliferation of litigation across the country in recent years. Many of our so-called “fact checkers” only perpetuate the problem in attempts to cover up truths.

Garsco Level 8 Sep 22, 2022

Gaslighting is free speech, I suppose, but it’s a distasteful by-product of rights in a supposedly free society,

The Right mostly allows the Left to say what they want, but the Left is already making strides at censoring the Right.

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