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Has anyone here had their love of liberty shattered by the behavior of those who refuse safety practices?

Everyone who ignores the calls for social distancing etc. justifies the use of force!

If you don't want government power to increase, stay away from other people as much as possible.

Ericrmusing 7 Apr 1
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As Benjamin Franklin said, 'those who trade freedom for security deserve neither'.

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Distancing HAS to be enforced if the sheeple refuse the directive from authorities to do so. It's not a right to infect other people because one feels a loss of freedom. One does not have the right or freedom to infect others/

how are they going to infect you if you're "distancing"?

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cooperating with the requests for the people to maintain social distancing is one way to ensure the gov't will NOT implement Martial Law.

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By obeying their propaganda, you show them how easy it is to control society.

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No.
You don't have the right to force people to stay in their houses.

Thinking that they really, really should is not where rights come from.
It's not a clear decision. There are Pros and Cons to both social-distancing, and just letting it run its course. You don't have the right to make that decision for anybody but yourself.

There is one thing that justifies the use of force by the collective.
That is, when one individual is violating the rights of another.
I don't know about Canada, but in America that is the SINGLE (domestic) reason for which we, somewhat reluctantly, created a government to act as the agent of the collective in the first place. That is both the sole source of its authority, and the constraint.

Breach that constraint, because you're afraid of catching the latest bug that's going around... and you'll never get that toothpaste back in the tube.

People are idiots. That's a given.
Freedom is dangerous, people will get hurt; even die... especially idiots. That's also a given.
The alternative is worse.

@Ericrmusing 2% of people getting the virus will die and most of them in nursing homes. We lose up to 8,000 people a year to "infuenza" but I didn't hear you calling the alarm last year. Why no alarm? Because almost everyone of them were in nursing homes with existing weakened immune systems. Noe someone can be dying of COPD or pneumonia and they get the virus. Cause of death? The virus.
Help find a cure for lieberalism!!

@Ericrmusing they can't spread it to you if you're hiding in your toilet paper fort.
Problem is... you gotta come out sometime. If you're waiting for a vaccine, it's going to be a while. We're still waiting on a SARS vaccine almost 20 years later...
If you can afford to just drop off the map for the duration, you're lucky. Many people can't.
The global economy can't, either. More people die from poverty and squalor than the flu... lots more.
Another cost of trying to hide-it-out, is that we're not establishing any herd-immunity for next time.
And there will be a next time, probably this Fall.

None of which has anything to do with rights. Your rights are what they are, whether you are "committed to them" or not.

@Ericrmusing I get it. You're concerned that other people's actions might end up harming you.
That's the same complaint that others have about your actions.

If you're willing to give away your rights because you're afraid of getting sick... that should be nobody else's business.
But you can't just give away your rights... you're trying to give away your fellow countrymen's rights, as well. Ironically... you don't have a right to do that.

That fear is, itself, spreading like a virus; and its disease is tyranny.
That tyranny is, historically, far more deadly than any strain of the common cold ever dreamed of being.
And you're purposefully trying to pass it around.

@Ericrmusing if it's not fear of them spreading the virus, then what's the justification?
Or, are you saying that the increase would not be justified, just that it might happen anyway with people's non-compliance used as the excuse...?
Either way, it would not be "justified." But, that does seem likely... these days, anyway.
But, to willingly subjugate ourselves in an attempt to, ironically, avoid subjugation... doesn't seem like an effective way to preserve our rights.
To quote George R.R. Martin, "Power resides where men believe it resides."
To act as if Government has that authority... is to tacitly abdicate that authority to the Government.
And you never get that back.

@Ericrmusing What other liberties are you willing to concede? You know, you'll never get them back, right?

@Ericrmusing, @rway Didn't George Orwell say something of the same nature? Something like; Once you extend a concession, you can never take it back.

@IgorRuss not sure, but it seems like he understood that reality. That's true for civil "privileges" and for any power you concede to the gov't for any reason.
Anyone who's ever given a lollipop to a baby understands 😀 There will be violence if you try to take it back.

@rway Hahaha! Right!

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Let's make this dreadful situation as Brief & Temporary as Possible

There's only one way to do that: let it burn through the population.
We'll lose ~1% of the most-vulnerable, and the rest of us will establish herd immunity.
It happens literally all the time. And there is no way around it.
We could establish that herd immunity ourselves, with a vaccine... if we had one.
We don't have one.

@rway Are you open to taking a vaccine that was made in a panic? ...I'm not! Lol

@rway I'm likely to die if I get it! COPD,pneumonia 3times been dead and defibrillated once already! Don't fancy going through that again if its all the same with you

@BikerPetehall70 I don't blame you. That doesn't change the reality of the situation.
Vulnerable people should hole up until the rest of us establish some measure of herd immunity to keep it from spreading out of control.
We're not doing that. Instead we're all just holing up... that doesn't help.

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Uh... I think the people that are NOT concerned about their rights to assemble being trampled upon should stay home and stop trying to tell others what to do.

NO, you stay him if you are worried I might give it to you if you met me on the street or at work!

@warminster100 I think that was my point exactly.

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