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Spinning Circular Coin of Consciousness and Existentiality

Existence may be conceptualized as that which unfolds to the experience, interpretation, or appreciation of Consciousness.

To be conscious is to exist.

To exist is to facilitate consciousness.

Consciousness may be conceptualized as that which facilitates the unfolding, changing experience of existence.

Existence is that which facilitates the unfolding, changing experience of Consciousness.

A parallel world of existence of which consciousness is not possible is a mere chimera.

Tautology: To be conscious of existence is to be conscious of existence.

Science does not avail one to know what causes consciousness of existence, other than consciousness of existence.

However, one can learn skills for informing, enhancing, focusing, layering, purposing, promoting, and programming consciousness.

To attempt further exposition often tends to promote further circularity --- except that.it may deploy analogies and metaphors to facilitate inspiring experiences of consciousness.

Dlanor 4 Feb 17
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Nice! May I ask if you consider sleep to be a state of consciousness or unconsciousness? Thanks

Under the broad conceptualization I am using, a state of consciousness accompanies every reception, exchange, or addition of information, at every level --- whether it be sentient, awake, asleep, self-aware, or simply reactive. Every existent may be conceptualized as fluxing among states of being substantively measurable (physical), informationally cumulating (mathematically conserving), and qualitatively conscious (receiving and processing information).

The reason I conceptualize this way is to help appreciate that every measurable expression of physics is accompanied with something that is qualitatively beyond measurement. To guard against hubris of over-greedy scientism, while appreciating a quality that is innate and beyond being completely subjugated to quanfification. To conceptualize an innate quality of consciousness seems more reasonable and useful to moral empathy and purposefulness than a similarly un-testable notion of a multi-verse.

I do not claim a measurably testable understanding of the Mind of God. But perhaps an empathetically qualitative appreciation. I believe moral empathy at some level is an innate aspect of every perspective of consciousness. I do not see an alternative belief system that makes reasonable sense for justifying or rationalizing moral empathies.

In a way, a condition of being awake shares aspects with being asleep. I do not think there is such a thing as an ultimate building-block thing-in-itself particle. Every physical thing we encounter seems ultimately to reduce to math, insofar as its state of being interpreted as "physical". But being awake entails availing practical tests of confirmation with potentially surrounding personages.

@Dlanor In a discussion last night, the topic of viruses and how they work came up. It was given as a matter of fact that on the cellular level, cells identify other cells, so I asked the obvious. Then cells must have consciousness to be able to identify, and/or know, another cell, whether it is an enemy or a friend?

@dmatic

"Something" avails patterns to recognize, facilitate, and choose among possibilities for the unfolding of patterns within patterns within patterns. That "something" (Consciousness?) does not appear to be subject to the complete control or exposition of any physical science. While we cannot measure whatever IT is, we may intuitively, meta-physically, or qualitatively appreciate and be metaphorically inspired and morally-purposed concerning aspects of IT's character.

Something conserves, coordinates, forms, and informs how our identities change in feedback with experiences in space-time. Something beyond complete control or exposition in science.

I can directly intuit an experience of Consciousness of Information. I cannot freeze a conscious-experience-in-itself. Nor can I subject it to any complete or permanent measurement that would not alter how it will unfold. I may be able to program a most likely birth or death (cessation) of an AI. However, while it functions, I cannot completely ensure that its program or inclinations will not be altered by some small and unpredictable environmental upset.

What about Asmovian PsychoHistory for mortals? "Psychohistory is a fictional science in Isaac Asimov's Foundation universe which combines history, sociology, and mathematical statistics to make general predictions about the future behavior of very large groups of people, such as the Galactic Empire."

Given the Butterfly Effect, how accurate could large scale psychohistory be, even if practiced by a superior civilization? Each new sequence that is appreciated by a Mind will alter or affect that Mind. Can any Mind know in advance how it will appreciate, respond to, or change the matrix-design for each newly sequencing event? Can any person (or even God) be entirely unable to be changed by being surprised?

@Dlanor Interesting to contemplate, but I cannot say. Scripture seems to indicate that God changes not. He is infinite, and/or eternal, so time itself must have had a beginning, so it could not go infinitely into the past. Therefore, time was created by something outside time. You need to write some books on the subject....a bit complicated for me to understand. Thanks for the challenge.

@dmatic
Agree a mortal cannot know the Mind of God. Nor know all intended interpretations of scripture for all occasions.

What is a.conscious identity, whether it be mortal or eternal? The ezperiences and apprensions that help define a personage's identity change, recede, cumulate, reemerge. "I" remain the same person, even as my experiences transform me.

Suppose.God has capacity both to qualitatively feel what each mortal feels, and to coordinate and reconcile the holism for all mortal perspectives. How else may such capacity be conceptualized, except by conceptualizing a Godhead that has capacity to flux among perspectives of the parts and perspective of their sum?

Contemporaneous consciousness (living God), reconciling.consciousness (laws of.Substance), messaging consciousness (unfolding cumulations and exhanges of Inforrmation). CSI: Consciousness, Substance, Information. Fluxing.perspectives as beingness unfolds.

@Dlanor Beingness unfolding. Interesting! I like the way you think...Awe inspiring to say the least isn't it?

@dmatic

Awe inspiring, yes. Perplexing. Beyond science. Appreciable only in analogies and metaphors. The God concept can be good for us or bad for us, depending to some extent on our self-fulfilling belief systems. Much ado is made over mere conceptualizations. Because conceptualizations can affect the roots of our value systems.

If we want a decent republic or civilization of free thinkers, that affects how we tend to conceptualize.

Regardless, any God notion needs to rationalize a lot. Some of that seems intuitive. Maybe even revealed. As much as mere metaphors can be revealing to humble mortals.

How may God intervene contemporaneously and yet abide outside space-time?

Conceptual Analogy: By having capacity to flux (or be fluxed?) between states.
By fluxing between a Perspective of a Part, a Sum of Parts, and the System of Parts as a Holism.
Between Matrix Math as Term, Equation, System and Administrator. Math and Mathematician.

C,S,I --- Consciousness (qualitative apprehension --- sense of being), Substance (physical measurement and interpretation --- sense of thing), Information (exchanges of math terms --- sense of change).

The System of Parts and Whole is One System (Godhead), in three Aspects, that flux (inter-convert) --- in ways beyond our science or apprehension. Manifestation, Change, Reconciling Conservation. Son, Father, Comforter. Unfolding in flux.

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That which may conserve, coordinate, observe, interpret, inspire, appreciate, empathize concerning, or inform the unfolding of all possibilities may be conceptuallized or named the Mind of God.

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