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Is there anybody logically consistent in America, when it comes to abortion?
I don't think so.
To the right-wingers, human live is sacred as long as it is in the womb. Once born it can be sacrificed on the altar of the NRA. Tens of thousands of deaths per year are the price they are willing to pay for this specific "freedom".
To the left-wingers, human life is only sacred after it is born. Before that date, it can be sacrificed to the women's freedom.

Matias66 6 June 28
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Is there anything logically consistent with your statement? It is incorrect both statistically and factually.

I did not mention any specific statistics.
One Google search gave me the follwing:
According to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), a total of 45,222 people died from gun-related injuries of all causes during 2020
My estimate "tens of thousands" was not so incorrect.

@Matias66 "sacrificed on the altar of the NRA."?

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When there is no agreement among the people, no policy can be made, except that consistent with other laws. It is illegal to kill human beings. That is precedent law. So there must exist a clear majority to override that precedent. That is the logic. It isn't that complicated, and the lack of agreement in society prevents any other "logic."

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Yes. Libertarians.

In your argument you can replace “altar of the NRA” with “altar of cars” since as many people die in traffic accidents as with firearms. If you remove suicides from guns then it is more than double.
You can also replace that with “altar of affordable and available health care” since more people die due to medical malpractice than from guns and very year.
Or the “altar of drugs” since more people die die to smoking, drinking and drugs than any of the above causes.

All of the above can be fixed by banning smoking, alcohol and drugs, or cheap health care, or limiting speed limits to 12 km/h.

Do you want to live in a world like that?
Yes, freedom has a price.

Sloppy thinking.
You cannot ban cars because they are a necessary element of any modern civilisation.
Private arms are not.
As for drugs: those who drink themselves to death are just slowly killing themselves, not their neighbors or their kids. So , yes, it is their personal freedom to shorten their own life

(this morning a read the usual news from the US about a toddler shot dead by his 8-year old brother who was playing with the gun of his father. THAT is the kind of pointless sacrifice I had in mind, and you are obviously in favor of.)

@Matias66
Sloppy reading.
I never said ban cars. I said limit speeds to 12 km/h. We already limit speeds to 25 at schools and 50 in neighbourhoods.
12 km/h is the threshold hold where impacts no longer kill.

Do you honestly think that drug and alcohol abuse don’t kill others? Ever heard of passive smoking?
Never heard of deaths due to drunk driving? Or children harmed by pre-natal alcohol syndrome and parental neglect?

Just this morning I read again of the death of a 42 year old mother who died of breast cancer because doctor misdiagnosed her skin lumps for a month before referring to specialist. Just because we spend all our health funding dealing with drug and drug related mental health issues and he did not want to “overload” the system unnecessarily.

So yes, “cheap” health care and tolerance of drug use kills more people than guns.
Where is your campaign against drugs?

@Matias66
And to say that I am obviously in favour or something without me actually stating anything like that shows your bias and the start of another ad hominem attack I warned you about .

I respect the right to be armed. I also believe in strict gun laws regarding vetting and control of weapons through licensing that involves testing of applicants and safe storage of arms.

Hence you almost never hear of gun accidents such as this morning in countries like NZ these days. Not saying NZ is perfect regarding gun laws, but some simple laws and regulations remove 90% of the problems.

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The statistics regarding gun-related deaths per year in the US are distorted to say the least. Many of those deaths were attributed to suicide, and should not be lumped into the same category as homicides/family troubles/or gang related violence. No children are actually "sacrificed on the altar of the NRA" either, as the blame should be squarely placed upon the criminal who carried out the shooting, many times of which their weapons were acquired by illegal means.

As for the left regarding the value of life, that point could be debateable. So if honesty is the aim here, I'd venture to say that the human race by and large appears to not be inclined towards pro-life tendencies, from waging wars to the willingness to use weapons on others to aborting a fetus after seven months etc. it appears to me most human beings would be disqualified from genuinely being considered pro life. For example, I own weapons and would have no qualms whatsoever in using them against someone who means to bring harm to either myself or my loved ones. Thus I am disqualified from being considered pro life as I'd have no problem wasting someone's life in such a scenario. On the other hand, think about the ethics of say, Buddhist monks and their strict non-violent approach across the board, and you'll get what I'm saying. Likewise, I am generally pro-choice when it comes to the topic of abortion (at least up to 24 weeks anyway), even though from a more direct personal point of view I do not care for such procedures.

Hate to say this dude, being I know how you feel about us Libertarians, but when it comes to issues like that you'll find there's not much contradiction from the Libertarian crowd, as we pretty much respect all individual choices across the board regardless of how we may feel about such from a strictly personal stance.

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