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Today I read a post on a mom’s group on Facebook. A mom was complaining about that she needed a break. That she is mad at her kid and just wants to be left alone. I totally get that every parent has been there. But what was really pissing me off was the so called support of the other moms. One was starting off with, she should have her husband helping her. She said “I wish “ then the others started encouraging her to leave her husband as he isn’t any help anyway. The comments went on and on like that. The mom went on explaining that she can’t just leave him, it’s not that easy ect. The other mostly single moms I assume kept going on encouraging her. She would be better off alone.

Why why why, would we do that to each other. Yes he might suck as a husband and as a dad. But in my opinion if a man isn’t physically or mental abusing a woman and is responsible enough to earn the bread for the family, it is still better to stick with him than to be divorced and being a single mom.

This reminds me a lot on my marriage in early stages. At some point I stopped telling people about the things that I felt weren’t good in my marriage because the only solution people would give me is to just tell me that I have to leave my husband if I want a better life.

I am glad I didn’t listen because my marriage got better with every year and I am so glad I am not a single mom.

Therese 4 Apr 24
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This is from a response below, but I wanted to elevate it because I've dedicated my life to helping people in relationships, and this is such an important topic.

*I don't think divorce is always about the wrong partner. It's also possible we just don't know how to do relationships, and that's really sad. There's SO MUCH pain. And, that pain comes out in ways like the OP is describing. There's a lot of pressure in 'choosing the right one'. There's not as much pressure in figuring out how to have relationships. Truth is almost all relationships start off right. What is different about when it's right and when it goes wrong? Where's that line it crosses over? What happens?

It's funny. The relationship nearly every married person describes as being the one they want is the relationship they had with their spouse in the beginning! We just have to figure out what that is, why it changed, and how to get back to that place. Honestly, I just think we forget. Everything at the beginning is about each other. Partner priority is really high--probably number one. The, we settle in--get the marriage out of the way and turn to the next challenges--kids, jobs, finances, houses, investments, kids, kids,...kids, in-laws--EVERYTHING now becomes BEFORE your partner (or you). We just f'ing forget. Before you know it, you're 10 years down the road and people say they 'fell out of love'. That's not true. You just forgot, and one thing relationships can't endure is irrelevance.

Anyway, I could write a book, so I'll shut up. But, people should think about this for themselves and see if it maybe fits...

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Happens all the time. I remember when my late wife's cousin was going through a divorce they got really close.....next thing you know her and I were at odds and she wanted a divorce.....until she realized that she'd have to go to work and the 50's had ended some time ago?. We got through it and stayed married until she passed some 10 years later but women going through a bad time with men often poison the well so to speak.

@EdNason rarely if ever.

Weeellll, you guys get pretty boring after a while, you know....

I’M JOKING! In case someone decides to takes me seriously.

@JacintaL oh I'm boring....I've had enough excitement in my life.

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You don't "put up" or "walk away" because it's the "easier" way to survive, you stay and work to make it better, because it's family - your family - the one you chose. Unless someone else picked for you (and we are not getting into that) and anything short of violence, you're simply not taking responsibility for the decisions you made. Do not "put up" or "walk away" from violence - no violence deserves even a second chance so "stand up" and "run away".

Important points. I do think it's not only about doing something. You have to know what to do, and I find most people don't have any idea how to be in a relationship--even in the enduring ones. I was 50 when I started learning, and I had always intended to be a good husband and a good father. I just didn't understand. I started to learn the day my 17 year marriage almost died. We're at 21 years now, and our marriage is more alive than it ever had been before that near-divorce...

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A Problem I have is that social media lets people believe that it’s OK to give life-changing advice to complete strangers… or To make scathing opinions about complete strangers’ lives. While it’s great to share opinions, exchange ideas, and debate (politely), So many folks don’t seem to understand that in the overall they need to mind their own business and hold their tongue. How awful that these ladies gave such shallow suggestions— as if they were licensed or trained therapists. I grew up in a small town… I can promise you that the world is filled with small people who like to gossip and destroy. Beware bored people with large egos. Sigh.

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Probably be better served if you joined a bitter womens' group. Not that you are bitter but that they, at least, would be honest.

When my wife tells me she had a rough day with the kids, I tell her they are both still alive, she did a good job.

How do families work when the husband is away for extended periods of time? Some incredible women out there. You all are doing a great job.

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And given that your marriage is now good, do you ask yourself if the complaints that you had back then were reasonable?

I’ve done both; raised children on my own and worked full time. I’m of the firm opinion that for both jobs to be done properly two adults are required.

yes and no. He was and still not is the type of dad that spends time with the kids playing or reading books. I was in the believe that a dad has to be that way and always thought that other moms had it so much better.
I was a stay at home mom so I had plenty of time to leisure when my kids napped. But usually dinner and bedtime where a struggle. Then I would get naggy that he wouldn't help. It didn't crossed my mind that he is tired to from a long day work. I also often was resentful towards him. I blamed him for getting me into this life. I think part of me (ex feminist) rebelled about beeing JUST a housewife. Once I took responsibility and started to do a better job at being JUST a housewife. Life got better, much better. He is happier because there is less mess in the home and he also helps more and I don't even have to ask.
It was me who created the problem. I worked a lot on myself and stopped blaming him for our struggles. I don't believe in the true love but I believe that if you want you can make any relationship work. For my kids it is worth it.

@Therese, good on you for looking at things from both sides and for taking the necessary action to correct what you knew was wrong.

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I think the Mom should leave as she's obviously the problem.

⭐ Knee-jerk is ridiculous, isn't it?

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My Daughter Married a Narcissistic man he is wonderful with the kids but to her mentally draining emotionally as well it's physicality draining on her. I contacted her and told her there where 2 books in the mail, you have 3 options for yourself 1) be in what you are now 2) work on you to learn how to better deal with him save your marriage etc. 3) leave and chances are good your going to find same or worst. She was upset, but the first Question she asked was what if he gets offended? I said offended now short term, divorce soon long time damage to everyone. She agree to work on learning the skills in the books. It's very important we can not change people only ourselves. Telling anyone to leave some is worng 2 or more side's to everything.

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Sounds like the woman's equivalent of a fight club. Very few marriages are ever perfect and all marriages suffer from domination of the one sex over the other. It is a matter of human nature. Our reasons for choosing a life partner are different, as is to be expected. And sometimes we will choose the wrong partner several times before we get it right. Single mom, weekend dad, and all the rest of the possibilities are the price we pay in society for making wrong choices.

@Marta-Amance, I agree that sometimes people choose the wrong partner. Thing is I don't think divorce is always about the wrong partner. It's also possible we just don't know how to do relationships, and that's really sad. There's SO MUCH pain. And, that pain comes out in ways like the OP is describing. There's a lot of pressure in 'choosing the right one'. There's not as much pressure in figuring out how to have relationships. Truth is almost all relationships start off right. What is different about when it's right and when it goes wrong? Where's that line it crosses over? What happens?

It's funny. The relationship nearly every married person describes as being the one they want is the relationship they had with their spouse in the beginning! We just have to figure out what that is, why it changed, and how to get back to that place. Honestly, I just think we forget. Everything at the beginning is about each other. Partner priority is really high--probably number one. The, we settle in--get the marriage out of the way and turn to the next challenges--kids, jobs, finances, houses, investments, kids, kids,...kids, in-laws--EVERYTHING now becomes BEFORE your partner (or you). We just f'ing forget. Before you know it, you're 10 years down the road and people say they 'fell out of love'. That's not true. You just forgot, and one thing relationships can't endure is irrelevance.

Anyway, I could write a book, so I'll shut up. But, people should think about this for themselves and see if it maybe fits...

@chuckpo >> "one thing relationships can't endure is irrelevance."

And boredom.

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Sound like a bunch of bitter morons who keep dating assholes and ignore the nicer guys as "just friends" and before they know it, they are bitter old shrews with short purple hair who blame everyone else and never wake up to the fact that they're terrible themselves with terrible taste in men.

Hey, @The_Farseer, if you wouldn't mind, could you please tell it like you really see it?

I get tired of all of this beating around the bush.

[sarcasm]

I believe there is some truth in that.

@chuckpo my bad. Bitches be tripping, yo. Straight up. I hope that was better

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