Killing another human being is the level of the moral restriction required. It's pretty low. Are you trying to absolve anyone participating in this war? Why not condemn the cheering hateful crowd that have demonized their favorite person to despise, and who urge the confrontation to continue until the last man?

Is the west willing to sacrifice nothing for this abomination but to cheer on the battle? Why? They are too morally superior to involve themselves? Have you no interest in what has happened in Ukraine in its recent history? Shall we hide the Hunter Biden laptop? Do we deny aid to have corruption buried?

Are you in the thick of things and so close to the truth that you know most certainly what your pictures portray and who is responsible?

All of a sudden the west seems to trust its mainstream media sources to give us the truth about this war.

I would ask you to question what is going on there or is "nowhere" the place where truth lies?

@FrankZeleniuk Well sir, it is obvious to me that you did not read the post. If you had read the post you would know that the headline I used is not my opinion of Russia but the writer's opinion of the USA. I would suggest that you begin learning what you are talking about from now on before responding. As they say, "Be sure your brain is engaged before putting your mouth in gear."

@lawrenceblair Hmmm...the posted excerpt from the article told me what I needed to know. I was not responding to the article but to the comment made. The viewpoint of the site from which you source the article, wishes, as I do, to "end the Empire's war on Russia".

I think you may have misunderstood my position. The comment made was a demonization of Russia. I simply asked him to question his assumptions.

@FrankZeleniuk The comment made was a demonization of no nation, The comment was a statement of fact as to the behavior of the U.S. and its western allies, as you would know as the quote is from the article and is used in that context.

@lawrenceblair True. The comment did not specify who was "killing and raping women and children and even babies". Thus, as you say, "no nation was demonized in the comment". It's not clear to me though that the comment was a statement of fact as to the behavior of the US and its western allies. I thought it a statement of the political narrative of the of the US and its western allies.

Pardon me if I am mistaken.

@FrankZeleniuk If you don't think it is a fact that the U.S. government has no ethics or morals then I think you have a problem.

@lawrenceblair That clarifies things for me. Of course, the US government is culpable. I thought the comment a defense of the US government, the Western Empire and its level of ethics and mores. I think that a restoration of its ethics and mores is necessary because they were quite high at one point. They are taking us down a road right now that they hope will bury the sins and carnage they have caused that they never wish revealed. All the while touting that their intent is to realize a true Utopian civilization.
The fact it has to be done in darkness without our knowledge or participation is the portent that it truly does not bode well for us, the general population.

@FrankZeleniuk «Are you in the thick of things and so close to the truth that you know most certainly what your pictures portray and who is responsible?» – Yes, I am. I'm much closer to the truth than you can imagine.

This war was unleashed by Russia without any relation to the actions of the West. The West could be bad, the West could be good, what difference does it make for those Ukrainians who are being killed by the Russians?
All the countries bordering Russia joined NATO, largely against the will of NATO. These countries hid under the umbrella of NATO, having experienced life under Russian rule.
Perhaps the interview I link to below will help you understand what I'm talking about. Those who know the Russian mentality and are familiar with life in Russia not from the Western press understand the situation somewhat better than you.
If this interview doesn't help you, I'm sorry. I have no desire to convince people who know nothing about Russia and Ukraine, but are confident in the correctness of their judgments

@El_Uro OK. Thank you for the video and your participation here.

@FrankZeleniuk I apologize if my answer to you was a little more rude than it should be.
Just understand my feelings. I lived in Mariupol 25 years ago. My apartment there is now destroyed by Russian shells. I directly know the people who fled from Mariupol. I hope these facts excuse my rudeness.

However, the essence of my answer to you is dictated not by emotions, but by real knowledge of what is happening, since I have delved into the details of the events in Ukraine and Russia since 2013.

Russia is now evil, much more evil than your leftists, whom I frankly hate (Trudeau included ), and in the fight against evil, one must choose priorities, or rather, the order of priorities.

All the best!

@El_Uro Well, I hope you will give us more of your viewpoint. I would be interested to know of your opinions or experiences with what I have acknowledged as being real Neo-Nazis in Ukraine. And also was the 2014 overthrow of Yanukovych and the installation of Poroshenko justified? Our leftists (Trudeau included ) tend to call anything that is not leftist or grates against the MSM political narrative, Neo-Nazism or the closest thing to it - white supremacist, far-right extremism. Parents concerned about the leftist school curriculum fall into that category of terrorist and are not above being surveilled. It's ridiculous.

Putin is indeed a dictator and, in my view, has made his intentions clear. He is not, once again, in my opinion, a communist but he has the cold heart of a communist.

You have lived in Ukraine so you understand it better than I could. I have lived in the west all my life so I understand how evil it has become and let me tell you Ukraine is between the devil and the deep blue sea.

I may have and express differences in what you say in your reply if you choose to reply at all. I would certainly appreciate your input. And thank you for the civil past response. If anything our politicians could use a little more civility. It goes a long way.

@FrankZeleniuk

I'll give you my viewpoint, but step by step...

Step 1.

«I would be interested to know of your opinions or experiences with what I have acknowledged as being real Neo-Nazis in Ukraine. ... Our leftists (Trudeau included ) tend to call anything that is not leftist or grates against the MSM political narrative, Neo-Nazism or the closest thing to it - white supremacist, far-right extremism. Parents concerned about the leftist school curriculum fall into that category of terrorist and are not above being surveilled. It's ridiculous.»

My opinion about Neo-Nazis in Ukraine

A. I have no experience, I communicated with such people and helped them, who can be called Neo-Nazis, only with a sick imagination.
B. There are no more Neo-Nazis in Ukraine than in the US or Canada, which is surprising given the war with Russia.
C. "Find 10 differences" between what Putin is saying about "Azov" and what Trudeau is saying about Freedom Convoy (Unfortunately, I have to admit that I am a Neo-Nazi for both of them. Are you scared? )
C. Even if there were many Neo-Nazis in the Ukrainian troops, this would not bother me at all. Ukrainian cities are bombed, Ukrainians are robbed and killed, Ukrainian women are raped.
You know, if a criminal or a Neo-Nazi saved my wife or daughter from being raped and killed, the first thing I would do is sincerely thank him.
Later, in peacetime, I would agree that the criminal was returned to prison, and everyone condemned the Neo-Nazi. But even then, I would see them as humans, not bipedal animals. You may not like my approach, but I don't expect people to be saints. It is enough that they are people and not dirty beasts.

If you more or less agree with me in this approach to the "Ukrainian Nazis", then I am ready to answer the following questions that you asked me above.

All the best!

@FrankZeleniuk

UPD.

Contrary to the claims of dog breeders, the Doberman is not the most comfortable breed, this guard dog is too suspicious of strangers, which can lead to problems with neighbors. However, those who live in hostile environments keep Dobermans. I hope you will understand them, although you are Canadian and have no experience of living in a hostile environment (Looking at what's going on in Canada, I'm afraid you'll need your Canadian type Dobermans soon)

@FrankZeleniuk

Step 2. «And also was the 2014 overthrow of Yanukovych and the installation of Poroshenko justified?»

Let me split this question into two.

A. Poroshenko was not "installed". He had won the election. I hope this is a comprehensive answer.
B. Yanukovych was overthrown by a popular uprising. It was a completely domestic Ukrainian affair. Yanukovych began his life by stealing winter hats from men in public toilets. Under him, corruption in Ukraine reached proportions unbearable even for Ukrainians accustomed to everything – this was the reason of uprising. Initial causes were the trigger only. Of course, when it came to sharing the fruits of the revolution, Ukraine had a lot of very unexpected people who wanted to help, but I repeat once again - the popular uprising had exclusively internal reasons. If you look at the history of the Maidan Uprising, you can be sure of this.

@El_Uro

Russia is now evil, much more evil than your leftists,

Well, I don't like to condemn a whole nation or even all "leftists" as one. One never gets to the actual source of evil or can rightly assign cause and effect to those that are evil if he does that. Besides people act in their own interests and are almost always more constructive than destructive in other words are good. Very few people are truly acting out of evil. A credible authority and forceful leader though can convince many that a cause is worthy and opposition to it an evil that must be stamped out.
White supremacy back in Hitler's era, as an example, had the backing of "science" in the study of Eugenics. Racial purity became the drumbeat in more than just Germany. Canada had Genetic cleansing laws on the books until the seventies, many were subjected to forced sterilization. If you cannot question authority then that authority should be considered illegitimate and we, in the west, are increasingly less able to question authority as it usurps more and more control over our lives.

As I said Ukraine is between the devil and the deep blue sea.

You have provided your view on Ukraine so I have a little more understanding of your position. What is your opinion of some of the American politicians, the Biden administration, John McCain, Lindsay Graham, Obama, can't forget Trump, of course.

I have looked somewhat into the Maidan uprising and I see some foreign influences especially in the way of funding from the US government for one side of the affair. How are you so certain it occurred out of exclusively internal reasons?

@FrankZeleniuk

«What is your opinion of some of the American politicians, the Biden administration, John McCain, Lindsay Graham, Obama, can't forget Trump, of course» – I am redneck and trumpist, but that doesn't stop me from thinking your next question is stupid: «How are you so certain it occurred out of exclusively internal reasons?»

According to Wiki "Escalating violence from government forces in the early morning of 30 November caused the level of protests to rise, with 400,000–800,000 protesters". In fact, there were about a million people on the streets at the peak of the mass protests. You can halve these numbers, but If you believe that this number of people on the streets can be the result of «funding from the US government», then I have nothing to explain to you, I'm sorry...

«...to condemn a whole nation» – All these atrocities on the territory of Ukraine are committed by ordinary Russians with the almost complete support of ordinary Russian citizens. You can discuss the reasons for this phenomenon, and yet it exists. Did you pay attention to what the wife of a Russian soldier advised her husband? (interview with Kisin) You may think this is fake. Kisin and I don't think so. I can even roughly tell by the accent of this "woman" where she grew up.

@El_Uro Ok Thanks.

You are a self stated redneck and a Trumpist. Nothing wrong in that. I supported Trump and would still vote for him if I were American. He threw a monkeywrench in the works for 4 years, improved Americans lives and employment opportunities, made America energy independent, and was almost able to build a wall at the southern border. In his foreign policy he managed to keep North Korea at bay
and China wary. He brought some manufacturing home that was not thought possible. He accomplished a lot despite all the negativity and resistance from all fronts - the MSM, Hollywood, the FBI and CIA and the whole Justice department. That settled. We can get back to Ukraine.

How much foreign aid do you think found its way to political ends in Ukraine during the Obama/Biden administration. We know of a few billion and there was much support for Ukraine in its opposition to Russia and Russian influence. Plus, we can't forget all the kickbacks to the families of some prominent US politicians in the news today but not broad public knowledge at the time.

As you know, or should know, WIKI is not a good source for true information. What you quoted may have been what occurred that day. I think it probably true. But why was there such spontaneous support? Obviously, Ukraine has a love affair with the west and wants nothing to do with Russia. Historically, Ukrainians welcomed the German Nazis who were fighting the communists and they never stopped resisting communism. A good thing in my view. But even after the collapse of the USSR, it still fought Russia in favor of the west. It did so because there were strong Ukrainian nationalists. Russia didn't like these nationalists but the west didn't like Russia under Putin either. Best to keep Ukraine annoying Russia and allied with the West. Don't you think?