Its just so unfortunate that the Progressives' support for Ukraine has framed this thing in such a way that anti-Progressives want Ukraine destroyed.
The US government is clearly corrupt (and illegitimate). Does this mean Russia would now be justified in invading and destroying the USA?
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.It is true and very sad 'that the Progressives' support for Ukraine has framed this thing in such a way' that is the pure projection of narrative by so called self proclaimed 'progressives'. Which I believe comes from they own self proclaimed moral superiority complex. Whatever. The point is, the way they paint the 'anti-progressives' (and how dare you disagree with them) is exemplified by 'want Ukraine destroyed'.
Show me where any 'anti-progressives' have called for the destruction of the Ukraine. I only ask because the liberals have mollified any of the conservative news I use to have access to. Damn if I am going to watch their liberal propaganda crap and be told what to think. Like Joe Friday of Dragnet, just the facts please. Save your opinions for the editorials and commentary sections if absolute control is essential.
As for invasion and destroying the USA, the "progressives" of the American chapter of the NWO have done that quite well without the justification needed by Russia, or China for that matter. The Untied Nations peacekeepers have bases already in the US.
The West has no principles.
Weltansicht
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Apr 14, 2022
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Not worded in exactly that way, but by cheering the invasion on.
In the same vein I'd not say the West has no principles, but the Western elites have no principles.
@eschatologyguy I think Assad was referring to the heads of government, the CEOs, & the elites.
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I share in your take on the matter, Ukraine derangement syndrome (UDS) is alive and well. At the start of the Putin regime's invasion of Ukraine, I contend a good portion of those on the left were not siding with Ukraine and only started doing so after Biden finally made a statement on the matter in support of the Ukrainians. At that point Biden didn't have much choice but to do so given the pressure from alot of Republican politicians who were outraged at the Russian Government's criminal actions. So keep in mind alot of the Ukrainian support from the far-left progressive crowd is self-serving, doing so to make themselves appear better, as recently the Democrats have not been too popular with inflation and such. So when more of those on the left embraced the Ukrainian side of that conflict, a contingent of those on the far-right decided to shift their allegiance to the Russian side in defiance, I suspect, to defy what the progressives were now supporting.
It's all about tribalism there my friend, gotta stick to your tribes' preferred narrative(s) that would be in opposition to what the other side supports. Personally, I'm not taking sides with any government, I simply sympathize with what the Ukrainian civilians are having to endure, war crimes at the hands of a vicious tyrant who wants to rule everything.
SpikeTalon
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Apr 14, 2022
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I don't believe anyone "wants Ukraine destroyed" by Putin or anyone else.
iThink
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Apr 13, 2022
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You'd be surprised at how the comments - not just here but in other platforms as well, come on as cheerleading for the invasion and approval of Ukraine from ceasing being a nation.
@eschatologyguy yes well we both know that many people allow their emotions to override their common sense...and that common sense is not in any way shape or form "common"
@iThink You're right on the money. Hatred of the WEF has bled into hatred for Ukraine. It should be limited to the corrupt leadership.
@eschatologyguy Precisely what I was getting at - and same regarding Russia - no?
@iThink No government at this point is free from corruption, IMHO. The problem really is, when you express your opinion of wanting the invasion - the war - to stop, you are seen as pro-WEF and pro-Progressivist.
@eschatologyguy its very difficult to hold a rational argument these days. Seems there are a lot of people who can only think in binary analyses - black and white; good and bad; up or down; with me or against me...
@iThink the world is black and white, but mostly gray. The west is partly to blame for the war exploding. They have a bad habit of not following their agreements. Yet they expect everyone else to do so.
They broke the Minsk agreement. Even in nature, most things that are backed into a corner will fight. Sadly Russia was forced into this if they wanted to retain their traditions and sense of self.
How many times does the USA bully other nations?
Russia won't be bullied.
Yes the raping and such are on Russia. Although you will get the criminal element in Ukraine go out and do it if someone else gets the blame.
The sanctions will do way more damage than a war ever would. And they will last way longer.
The deaths of the sanctions will be on western hands. It's easier to start sanctions than stop them.
@eschatologyguy If you stake out a position of wanting a war to stop (unless it is kinda obvious like stopping the Nazis) and anyone paints you as pro- or con- anything; stop listening to those people. They are morons.
BeijingBiden and the MSM are (IMHO) pro-Ukraine primarily because Uk was their access to $$$ cuts (via laundering) and slave trading. It was a monetary position. Their other reason was they've been banging on about that "nasty ole Putin" ever since they framed DJTrump as his puppet. He is the boogy man to them and they will take the other side no matter what.
I've said it before, this is like walking into a bar and seeing a brawl between two obviously drunk guys. No telling who is good or bad. Wanting to intervene probably means you've also had too much to drink. Go home.
@bobbo666 it's just appalling hearing otherwise level-headed people morph into cheerleaders for war.
@Styrax sanctions will do way more damage than a war ever would. And they will last way longer
I suppose it depends on how long a war goes on and to what level it escalates. Also I believe Sanctions don't really harm the corrupted purveyors of Wars and such. They really hurt the common citizenry of the country that has been sanctioned.
The harm - the damage done in war is instantly, immediately and cruelly apparent. And yet again those harmed most by war are the common citizenry.
Sanctions can be removed at any time it is so desired. War, once begun - the damage, the carnage, cannot be undone.
@iThink [gicj.org]
Check that link. See what sanctions did to Iraq. All in the name of the "west" getting what they want.
I agree the citizens are the ones punished.
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