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Several democratic candidates are advocating abolishing the Electoral College. Why?
I think I may have stumbled on the reason. It's about the Resistance.
On the face of it... there's little to no chance of it happening. It would take 2/3 of the states to ratify such a change. And by doing so many rural states would be silencing their own voice.

So... little chance of it happening... talking about it riles up republicans... so what's the point of continually mentioning it?
Well it gins up their base. Young people seem to be willing to accept it. But I don't think that's the entire motive behind this.

The real reason is to ensure that the Resistance, the manufactured discontent, continues in the event of Trump's re-election.
Now I don't think the Betos or Bernies or Butigiegs (not even gonna try to spell that right) are smart enough to conceive this sort of stratagem. Btw, what is up with all the B's ? Booker, Beto, Bernie, Biden, Booker, Buttsomething... all alphBetotized.

Anyways as we've seen in many instances the media and the DNC often move as one... and since they don't have a Hive Mind or some alien V telly-pathy (or at least I don't think that they do although I have to admit I can easily envision Feinstein and Hillary scarfin' down a Rat-Snack. V-va la Resistance! Watch out when AOC tells you rats are less flatulent.) Anyways in absence of alien tech... they do have some central coordinating strategist ala the Journolist.

Hillary said that if Trump failed to accept the election results that would constitute "A Threat to Democracy."

Of course the fact that she failed to acknowledge Bush as the rightful president... apparently didn't count. It only counts if the media holds you to it. In liturgy and litany, in chant Gregorian the media recounts Trump transgressions. Hillary's are nepenthe, peripheral whispers of omission.

So... the Resistance, is exactly that, a Threat to Democracy.
(Kudos to Hillary for scoring buku hypocrisy points.)

Some six months or so after Trump's she said something to the effect of... "I've decided to join the Resistance."
BS... she planned it and gave birth to it. Nascent she cradled it and nurtured it. And yes, it took a village to raise this bastard child.

As a concept, it's pretty damned heavy-handed. Trump is Hitler. Your political opponents are Nazis. And the virtuous souls, the true patriots are fighting in the (French) Resistance.

Give me a freaking break.
I still can't believe anyone bought into it. Hell, it would have been better if she called herself Gandalf and then labeled Trump as Sauron. (Maybe Hillary as Frodo in a Pantsuit? That might work better.)
I've actually seen someone compare Trump to Voldemoort and as laughable as that was... it's still better than the third reich thingy.

Anyways... in the interests of preserving the Resistance, in propagating propaganda and hindering Trump at every turn... they're calling for the end of the Electoral College. Then if Trump wins by electoral reckoning, they will tell their base that they've been disenfranchised.
They will say (as many of them do now) that he didn't really win, he's not really the president, he's not legitimate.

Btw.... what they'll also be saying (tacitly) is that they think a significant portion of the population is stupid enough to fall for this... again.

An_Ominous 7 Apr 17
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In 1969, The U.S. House of Representatives voted for a national popular vote by a 338–70 margin. It was endorsed by Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, and various members of Congress who later ran for Vice President and President such as then-Congressman George H.W. Bush, and then-Senator Bob Dole.

Past presidential candidates with a public record of support, before November 2016, for the National Popular Vote bill that would guarantee the majority of Electoral College votes and the presidency to the candidate with the most national popular votes: Bob Barr (Libertarian- GA), U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R–GA), Congressman Tom Tancredo (R-CO), and Senator Fred Thompson (R–TN).

Newt Gingrich summarized his support for the National Popular Vote bill by saying: “No one should become president of the United States without speaking to the needs and hopes of Americans in all 50 states. … America would be better served with a presidential election process that treated citizens across the country equally. The National Popular Vote bill accomplishes this in a manner consistent with the Constitution and with our fundamental democratic principles.”

Eight former national chairs of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) have endorsed the bill

Fortunately the Electoral College is covered in the Constitution and the 12th Amendment.
It would take a 2/3 majority of both the House and Senate or a constitutional convention of 2/3 of the state legislatures.
I don't know what Newt was thinking then... but he's changed his tune now.
Politicians... even the "good" ones, they sway any way the wind blows... so there probably aren't any good ones.

Unable to agree on any particular method for selecting presidential electors, the Founding Fathers left the choice of method exclusively to the states in Article II, Section 1
“Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors….”
The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly characterized the authority of the state legislatures over the manner of awarding their electoral votes as "plenary" and "exclusive."

The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the majority of Electoral College votes and the presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in the country.

The bill is states with 270 electors replacing state winner-take-all laws that award all of a state’s electoral votes to the candidate who get the most popular votes in each separate state (not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution, but later enacted by 48 states), in the enacting states, to guarantee the majority of Electoral College votes for, and the Presidency to, the candidate getting the most popular votes in the entire United States.

The bill retains the constitutionally mandated Electoral College and state control of elections, and uses the built-in method that the Constitution provides for states to make changes. It ensures that every voter is equal, every voter will matter, in every state, in every presidential election, and the candidate with the most votes wins, as in virtually every other election in the country.

Under National Popular Vote, every voter, in every state, for every candidate, would be politically relevant and equal in every presidential election. Every vote would matter equally in the state counts and national count.

I noted what Newt was thinking: “No one should become president of the United States without speaking to the needs and hopes of Americans in all 50 states. … America would be better served with a presidential election process that treated citizens across the country equally. The National Popular Vote bill accomplishes this in a manner consistent with the Constitution and with our fundamental democratic principles.”

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If Hillary had won the election the Electoral College wouldn't even be an issue.

If Hilary had won the election we'd all be wiping our servers with a cloth and wearing pantsuits.

Trump, October 12, 2017 in Sean Hannity interview
“I would rather have a popular vote. “

Trump, November 13, 2016, on “60 Minutes”
“ I would rather see it, where you went with simple votes. You know, you get 100 million votes, and somebody else gets 90 million votes, and you win. There’s a reason for doing this. Because it brings all the states into play.”

In 2012, the night Romney lost, Trump tweeted.
"The phoney electoral college made a laughing stock out of our nation. . . . The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy."

@otto
So... Trump is not as wise as the Founding Fathers. I'm not especially surprised 🙂
I don't know that Trump has given the matter much thought... he might not be capable of giving it much thought. Seems to have an attention span problem.
I'll defend him when I think he's being attacked unfairly (or rather I'll defend fairness.) I won't defend him when he says something stupid. Which is kinda way too often.

I am disappointed that Newt used to support election by popular vote. He's changed his tune now... but I don't have a lot of respect for politicians that change their position with the wind.

I don't especially care what Newt thinks, Trump less so. I've read a little bit about the issue and formed my own opinion... I think the Founding Fathers got it right.

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Entertaining post. Loved the V visual. Hated that V-overlord woman, but can't get enough of her now. She's cute as hell. Luckily my wife is beautiful and I'm not, or I might get myself into trouble. Anyway, I digress.

I think you describe what's going on pretty well. It's ALL inauthentic--contrived plotting to manipulate the country and their own base. It's not like they're hiding it, and it's still working. I get that politicals and the hopelessly politicized media--they're in on it. I don't get the voters who actually want to buy it. They want it to be the truth. I don't understand that. Exceedingly cynical.

Sometimes cynicism is tantamount to realism.
When a large portion of the population has no problem calling people who disagree with them Nazis...
I suppose there are only a couple of things to believe about that. 1) They've been manipulated or 2) they're just kinda rotten people.
If it's the manipulation thing... are they even aware they're being manipulated? If so do they go along with it because they're promised a cornucopia of free stuff? Or do they just feel empowered being part of a mob?
And there is only one thing to think about the people that are doing the manipulating... they are douches of the first water.

@chuckpo
Hey, is Rat-Snack Ocasio a good name for a band?

@An_Ominous, The Rat-Snack-Brat-Pack. Ocasio makes me throw up a little in my mouth.

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Enjoyed your points and prose, I say the latter because metaphors are my favorite shorthand, saves on all the ponderous wordy crap. I agree with the conclusion you have reached.
The followimg might sound a little off topic, but I think it relates to what you are saying and it is the subject of propaganda. This morning I watched a vid, that has totally scewed or screwed with my perceptions of what is really going on, and related I believe. Can post a link, so you can judge for yourself......which would be infinitely less tedious than using Android touch screen....why is the back button right above the editor one....aaaargh! Anyway, good subject and goodnight!

Its called 'CFR loves domestic propoganda" on YouTube of interested.

Thanks for the kind words. I'm all about the metaphors... often over-extended metaphors.
I like / tend to write creatively... analytically not so much.
I used to write a lot more poetry than anything else... now it's semi-political ramblings when I should be working on the novel.
I guess as with any writer, inspiration comes from different sources. Of late what moves me to lift the pen... is the media insulting my intelligence.
I don't know what my intelligence ever did to them, but they insult it on an almost daily basis.

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I think a part of them are stupid enough to fall for it again they are doing everything they can now or trying to make everything go their way they are crazy ran by Satan

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I think a part of them are stupid enough to fall for it again they are doing everything they can now or trying to make everything go their way they are crazy ran by Satan

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I thought it took two Thirds of States and Senators to amend Constitution and i am a Canuck

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Btw... it's probably best to wait a few minutes to read anything I've posted.
I edited several times to add content... and then corrected typo after typo after typo.
Should've written this in Word... but it was kinda off the cuff in the box.

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No wait… Harry Hilary Hermione and the Chamber Pot of Secrets. That works.
And it's still better than labeling Trump and all of his supporters as the Third Reich. More plausible too.

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