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Brexit Deadlock

With all alternative options having been voted down in the House of Commons today, it seems that a No-Deal Brexit a.k.a. Hard Brexit now is the most likely outcome - meaning the UK would in this case leave the EU and the European Single Market, with trades being conducted under WTO (World Trade Organizations) rules.

Anybody who is educated on the subject may feel free to put down his/her opinion on Brexit and the EU in the comment section below, whether they are Remainers, Brexiteers or neither, whether they are from the UK or elsewhere...

EDUCATED being the keyword here, so please no unsophisticated rantings on "globalist socialist neo-marxist leftist bureaucrats", and not on "far-right bigoted xenophobic racist neo-nazis" either...

I've seen comments in my last post here in the IDW community that were rather "dark" than "intellectual" to be quite frank...

modestMillennial 6 Apr 1
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Patrick O'Flynn threatens Junker. GO, PATRICK!!!

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The pointlessness of the EU Customs Union exposed
[brexitcentral.com]

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What are the laws for each, I am not educated in international trade but would like to become so. You don't have to site cases just maybe a brief description if anyone wants to answer.

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Fingers crossed that we do,after all that’s what won the vote in 2016,we should just leave

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I voted to leave, I’m not too interested in the debates on what we get or what we give. I am 74 years old, proud to be British, and I want my country to be a sovereign nation again. Able to make and pass it’s own laws, control our own borders, and trade with whom ever we wish to trade with using rules that we have negotiated with our trading partner and not those imposed upon us by what I have always considered to be a corrupt and odious EU community.

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We had 2 choices in the referendum remain or leave. 17.4 million votes leave, me being one of them. We should have left the next day not drag it out. I'm all for hard brexit then watch other eu countries leave. Germany and France colluded together to strip countries of all rights and follow them, WW3 but they get to invade through the front door

Yep

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One of many relevant videos by Jeff Taylor.

I like him. He's been following Brexit ever so closely and he explains it very clearly.

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The EU is a failing, over reaching, bloated super state experiment. The peoples all over Europe are disenfranchised. The French are rioting weekly, the Greeks have been decimated by imposed austerity. Italy are close to defaulting. Even the mighty German economy is teetering on the brink of recession. The idea of the left fighting for the corporate neo-liberal take over of our greatest historical continent is a shameful example of our decline as individual thinkers. Brexit is the tip of the iceberg of want is actually going on in Europe. What we can learn from it is how people are being treated for merely wanting something else, which of course democracy should allow. The veil around who controls the levers of power may slip enough to reveal truths. I would be surprised if anything is allowed to come from Brexit however.

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Given the current trend of the EU, moving away from a trading block, to a totalitarian superstate that seeks to impose its will by hook or crook on Europe. Articles 11 and 17, vanjunger having a hissy fit demanding nations hand over sovereignty. The talk of a eu army, etc. A hard brexit would be the best option. Given that western nations are lining up to offer the uk favorable trade deals, it seems foolish not to say fuck the eu and brussels. Also given that the eu depends heavily on uk tax dollars, and that the uk is in the top 10 of world economies. Its a safe bet the eu needs the uk more than the uk needs the eu.

Agree

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I was a teenager when we joined the 'common market's not eu. Before we got trapped into the eu we traded with the world and beholden to no country. Over the years we were drawn deeper and deeper into the eu, probably by the hierarchy being bribed. This UK became a whipping boy for Europe and all there rules and laws. I voted to leave and would do again, we are a great nation now we just need a great government and not a bunch of undemocratic dweebs.

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IMO a WTO Brexit would be the best outcome. Judging by what has transpired during the time since the referendum, it is clear the the P.M, the speaker, and two thirds of the MPs are remainers. I fear that they will continue to stonewall and sabotage the Brexit process. I am not hopeful a true Brexit will ever happen. Some form of BRINO is more likely.

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Clean break will be best. Hopefully USA/UK free trade zone. Happy for you guys and believe the market upset will be short lived. God Bless

Chlorinated chicken, bad animal welfare, GM crops, pesticides , that's your wish for us is it?

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This is the best outcome and what I've hoped for from the beginning. I understand that Britain has paid 158B more into the E.U. than it got back in benefits. I think that Britain should consider its exit fee paid. Now a once free country can be free again.
The politicians did the right thing because of their intransigence and not because they planned it. For once incompetence paid off for the people.

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"Yay! Leave already. Rip that band-aid off! What have they got; until mid-April sometime?" He eruditely queried.

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From what I gather, in my little knowledge of Brexit, the EU economy is being dragged down by Greece and other economically irresponsible countries. If those countries did away with their socialist policies, they’d be more of an asset, and it’d be worth Britain’s while to stay in the EU. Until then, Brexit is a smart move. Please feel free to correct me or educate me, as I do not focus my attention on the EU very often.
I am sorry to hear that you’ve received “dark” comments rather than intellectual ones recently, they should keep that trash on Facebook.

From the beginning of talk about the E.U. it's critics pointed out that the economic disparities between the powerful Northern countries and the weaker Southern ones be a fatal fault line for the 2 disparate groups and that the adoption of the Euro would make things worse. Open borders would also cause a frail structure to collapse the whole arrangement. There were other problems too but I won't go into them. I will conclude by simply saying that the naysayers have been vindicated.
Wide open immigration was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Notice that the former Eastern Block countries of the Visguard alliance are having nothing to do with Muslim immigration and they haven't been victims of Islamic terrorism. Japan and South Korea haven't had any Islamic terrorism eithrr.

@modestMillennial I figured it wasn’t as simple as my earlier comment led one to believe.
However, please tell me how it is a mutually beneficial relationship if Germany is bailing out Greece, and then having to bail their own banks out? That doesn’t sound mutually beneficial. It sounds like Greece (and other countries) are bleeding the stronger economies, and not capitalizing on their unique assets to strengthen their own economies to repay Germany. Like you said, Norway and Switzerland are not party to the EU, and they seem to be doing just fine. The extra economic strain due to Islamic refugees is partly to blame (I’m not blaming Muslims for being refugees in a xenophobic way, I’m pointing out a real occurrence that has a socioeconomic impact). It seems to me, that these Islamic refugees will become a major voting block that (because of their unfortunate circumstances) will vote to increase socialism, increasing taxes, making it more difficult for new business to thrive. On top of that, Islam (not all factions of Islam, of course) doesn’t seem to think of women as breadwinners/workers, so approximately half of the influx of refugees would not be entering the workforce (this is arguably a good thing because of the need for a strong family unit), but they wouldn’t be ecomically “pulling their weight.”
A symbiotic, mutually beneficial relationship would be excellent, but once a party to the relationship becomes dead weight, it cannot thrive, and it does no good to save that part. Releasing Greece (and other dead weight countries), to fix their own problems locally, and then once fixed, welcomed back into the unified system, would be the most beneficial. So, really, I guess Brexit isn’t the answer, but rather a Greek (and other parasitic countries) exit is better. I looked up their taxation schedules. It’s unbelievable! How could anyone thrive in such an oppressive tax schedule? Why would anyone want to own a business there? Greece is such a beautiful country, they have geographic assets that could be capitalized on if given the chance.

I hope it all works out for Germany/Greece. I suppose I would be in favor of Britain having more local control over their activities. I hesitate to say all these things because I’m not a British citizen and have no business even having an opinion on what y’all do. I recently read an article of some euro trash saying (I’m paraphrasing) “since the world is so dependent on what the US does, the world should be able to vote in American elections.” Hell no, I nearly had a mental break down haha. How dare someone even suggest such a thing. Whatever the outcome of the Brexit issue is, I hope it’s favorable. Good luck!

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