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I find it harder and harder to find someone who is a true moderate. I spend my time watching those who debate such as Ben Shapiro, Stephen Crowder, Tucker Carlson, Jordan Peterson, and Dave Rubin. Although I agree in a great many discussions I am left with my need for a stronger argument from the repeated Q&A where many people ask the same question without any strong lines of logic on an opposing viewpoint.

I myself share a wide array of views where I am for Legalization of marijuana, pro choice, pro military, anti intellectual property laws, pro freedom of speech, pro 2nd amendment with the need for some basic regulation, pro Israel, and pro capitalism with a small need for basic regulation, and the list goes on.

I find myself neither "left" nor "right". Although for common discussion in where people ask my views, I struggle to tell people where i fall because every category has certain aspects I don't buy into.

Is there anyone who shares these similar views and if so what would you claim. So far I'm claiming Libertarian Moderate, but I feel that doesn't capture the whole picture.

Debatio 3 Mar 30
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Thoughts are fluid, no? So, it's OK to change our opinions, no? We don't have to label ourselves or anybody. Interacting with other people with their identities in mind is the very mindset identity politics propagates. Let's not sleepwalk into the narrative of identity politics.

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You got me thinking, why do we need a label or category?
Why not have "contrarian" views or opinions that don" t seem to fit. Take Mark Twain. I don't recall him taking sides etc. But he aure was funny pointing out whoever was in power's faults. When in doubt, we could always say we are
Freethinkers.

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I can't argue with much, except where you say, "with basic regulation", because we have gone far beyond basic regulation in the areas you apply that syntax to. Also, I think abortion is murder, from the stance that I have been an accessory to that crime and am currently helping to raise a child who was almost aborted (not of my making).

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Have to agree with your post....I find that there's some pearls of wisdom in lots of so called sections of society.
Live and let live ? Seems to me most want to browbeat EVERYONE to think the same and behave the same.....do NO harm....try to leave the world a better place....BUT...can't trust social, MSM...so many LIES......

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Outside of the box is where I sit too. I believe in balance. We need it in all aspects. I'm also a strong believer in choice. I don't need to be managed by a government, my choices, my consequences.

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Who’d have thought that middle of the road moderates wouldn’t be interesting enough to pay attention to.

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I feel the same way on a lot of different subjects, I normally call myself a constitutional libertarian.

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I am pretty much the same as you my friend with only a few slight differences on certain things. I call myself a conservative because smaller government leads to more freedom... freedom of thought included. Different opinions on a few things does not make you an outcast in my view. Enjoy the freedoms that you have in this great country. Be yourself and do not make excuses for doing so. I vote republican even if I disagree with some issues only because the other side offers almost nothing that I believe in but that does not make me a republican. You are not alone buddy ?

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Listen to the Tom Woods show.

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You seem to be leaning more to the right then left but thats just an opinion. Many people with those values tend to ally with conservatives and vote Republican. Although your position seems also to be close related to libertarians, i still believe you are on the right political spectrum. The left has shifted so far left that some of the old classical liberal views now fall in center and center-right.

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Don't torment yourself with what "catagory" you fit in

Others will do that for you. Gratis even

I'm a full on 2nd Amendment supporter. You will have to pry my guns out of my cold, stiff hands

Kidding (sort of)

A caveat here. Some people just don't get to have guns. The mentally ill, criminals, spouse abusers.

Add to that list one licensed to carry liquor store owner.

My personal experience when the liquor store owner, from now on referred to as numbnuts, when confronted with a robber with a knife.... pulled his gun and emptied the magazine into the four walls.

Fortunately for all he actually hit no one. I saw numbnuts pull his gun and I could tell he didn't know what he doing so I threw my girlfriend and myself to the floor.

I talked to the police afterwards and he told me the guy was legally carrying . I told him if he and his partner were going to do something I could step outside so I could be all truthfulness and sunshine with dancing unicorns when in court testifying

I only shared this once before I was called "A card carrying anti gun liberal" for my time & effort explaining

The refuge of a numbnuts is to call names rather than refute you with logic

Source:

Don't be evil < Google's former motto

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I found Ben Wilber's take on intersectionality very enlightening and in particular the 27 min interview on Rebel Wisdom considering Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris which very eloquentky showed synchronicity even given their apparently disparate points if view

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I see it a little differently. This is where we as a society, all fail in my opinion. We are consistently placing ourselves in groups, and giving ourselves labels. I'm over it. I'm Alexis. That's my label. If a person would like my opinion in politics, arts, culture etc, I'll give them it. But, I am sick to the back teeth of labels. It's intersectionality, plain and simple.

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My personal philosophy is Libertarian, however I am not convinced that a country can be governed successfully from a Libertarian POV. I am very conservative in some areas, particularly when it comes to spending and private property, however I also hold some very Liberal views as well. Voting has become increasingly difficult because we seem to have candidates who run on the edges of each party. I have been forced to abstain from the Presidential vote several times and really focus on making good local governance choices, regardless of the letter next to the name.

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I don’t think you are describing a moderate. Just because no one’s coined a label for your positions doesn’t mean they’re not strongly held. Or consistent.

When I think of the term moderate, I imagine someone with a crease in his butt from sitting on the fence. As Rush Limbaugh used to say, you’ve never seen a book titled “Great Moderates In History”

I think a problem with our political discourse is that we are saddled with categories that date from the Cold War era, or even earlier. I tend towards conservative/Libertarian myself, yet I grant that many of the positions and priorities of the left have merit. Just because they argue for them as ineptly as possible doesn’t alter that. What’s needed are new way to cross-section political thought and a new sense of what the categories are. Until then, the OP will wonder where he belongs. I’d say he belongs right where he is.

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I feel your pain.
I also do not fit neatly into any particular group.
So I gave up trying to fit.
If asked (seldom) my views I reply, "on what exactly? "

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Who cares? Someone else's labels that do little but constrain you. Screw that. I find my opinions intersect with various groups at different points, and that's not conducive to group membership. It's actually quite liberating to embrace my individuality and not feel obligated to any agenda. A I read your list of views, I agree with some (most) and disagree with some. What is the benefit to grouping together? What do we gain? Isn't that a form of tribalism? I'm looking for a tribe that agrees with a, b, and c. You could just group on a. and b. and c. So, you're not obligated to be loyal to b when the topic changes to c. What is the problem standing with pro-choicers when abortion is the topic and standing with pro-2A when guns are the topic? It's less rigid, less tribal, doesn't move into rigid us and them encampments--more reflective of the true varying nature of human beings. So, where do you belong? You belong to everyone--instead of deeply entreched demogogues. That's a win.

Wholeheartedly agree!

This!

Also, I find it helpful to list things from most to least important to you in order to help you decide which direction to vote.

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I think the problem is trying to attach a label to yourself or to a position on the left-right continuum. I can admit that I have a variety of views, some of which are contradictory - I guess it's a form of internal debate! They're different from yours purely because I'm in the UK where certain topics (i.e. 2nd amendment) really aren't relevant. I have resolved not to try and pigeonhole myself.

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Sounds like libertarianism to me. Welcome to the team 🙂

Dang I should’ve read your last sentence... whatever.
I look at my views in an order of priority. Sure, marijuana should be legalized, but the 2A is more important to me. So I vote with the people who hold the policies most connected with the views that I consider most important. Generally, it’s the Republican for me.
I think everyone kind of feels this way, but they place greater importance on different things than me.

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