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Regarding Hate Speech.

I'm essentially a free speech absolutist... I will tolerate almost any speech including 'hate speech” , everyone has a right to hate certain ideas, ideologies or whatever it is they 'hate” I happen to hate Brussel spouts 😉 If someone says something that most reasonable people would consider vile they still have the right to express their particular brand of nonsense. Unless of course they are actually inciting violence or directly endangering lives... It seems SJW's are attempting to control the narrative on what is acceptable and unacceptable and I will resist these dangerous authoritarian attitudes any way I can.

There are laws against that and against liable and slander but I do not believe in laws against so called “hate speech” ... It would be very easy for me to deliberately insult and de-humanize someone without using a single word that in and of itself would be considered "offensive" if that was my intention. "You a lower than a slug and twice as slimey" for example has no "offensive" words but there are very few ways that phrase could be misinterpreted if used and even then it's not a hanging offence to offend someone, not even a banning offence IMHO...

Words are just language and language carries intent. It's the intent not the words that is the true measure of the message and what the appropriate response should be... So I do not believe in censorship but I recently had a Facebook post by a group called "Protecting The Endangered" taken down via official channels when they posted an article about a couple of poachers that had killed a hibernating bear and her cubs...

Of course there was nothing wrong with sharing the article (and I understand the anger in response) but they prefaced the article with their own editorial line which read QUOTE: Let's find these dick-wads and gut them with a rusty knife" UNQUOTE...

No offensive words there either but that is direct and unmistakable inciting of violence! I don;t believe civil societies should tolerate the direct public incitement of violence... What about “self defence” well that's another discussion.

rokktopia 4 Mar 30
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Here is hate speech: FUCK BUHARI!!!

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When hate speech laws are unpopular in Africa, it's game over for libtards and SJWs.

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I was doing fine until I saw brussel sprouts. The truth hurts a lot of people. Do I intentionally tell the truth, yes. Sometimes it hurts others, but I am much more concerned with my families feelings than with the feelings of strangers. I would not intentionally hurt anyone but would have no problem informing someone that they are behaving like a two year old.

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I really do believe that hate speech laws violate our basic rights. We have a right to free speech and nobody has the right to not be offended or insulted.

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You can force people to stop hate speech but you will not stop their feelings. Stopping or judging hate speech is superficial.

And who decides what is hateful?

@Incajackson A big brother government.

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"I think these dick wads should be hunted down and gutted with a rusty knife"

Would this statement be considered inciting violence?

Is there a "clear and present danger"?

@Incajackson

That's my question. What constitutes a clear and present danger?

@Judah80 I think context is very important.

@Incajackson

In the context of the original post.

"Let's find these dick-wads and gut them with a rusty knife"

"I think these dick wads should be hunted down and gutted with a rusty knife""

Are both of these statements inciting violence? Neither? One and not the other?

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If we imagine a line with thoughts at one end and actions at the other, then speech falls somewhere in between. Exactly where in between is dependent on interpretation. There are those who believe speech is closer to thought and therefore is the closest anybody can get to controlling your thoughts. Others believe that it is nearer to actions and therefore controlling your speech subsequently controls your actions. Those on the extreme left (although, I dislike the binary choice of left and right) believe that speech and actions are, in fact, the same thing, therefore interpreting speech they find offensive as actual violence. Hence the need for "safe spaces".

I believe that censoring speech actually breeds intolerance and resentment which in turn leads to violence - exactly the opposite of the stated aim of the would be censors. When people have no words, they resort to action.

I think that most people would agree that incitement to violence, with a clear and present danger, is not acceptable. But, there are two caveats to that. Firstly, the second clause of "clear and present danger" is important. Otherwise it would be too easy to link violence to a perceived influence which did not actually exist. For example, it would be a stretch to link the murder of a butcher to a website advocating veganism - there is no clear and present danger. Although there are plenty of people out there that do exactly that.

Secondly, it seems that society is quite hypocritical about how acceptable incitement to violence actually is. There would be an outcry at the suggestion of forcefully sterilizing a particular racial minority (and rightly so) but no such equivalent outrage at the call for all paedophiles to have their genitals painfully removed!

Basically words and actions must be recognized as separate. You can hold any views, however offensive, that you wish. However, that does not mean you have the right to put those views into actions.

Finally, self-censorship should not be confused with etiquette and politeness. Self-censorship is motivated by fear - fear of violence, shame or ostracizing. Etiquette and politeness are willingly done. I don't state my disgust at someones new hairstyle because of self-censorship from fear, but from etiquette. Similarly, using profanities in forum posts is not a demonstration of free speech, merely a demonstration of bad manners!

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This whole concept of hate speech seems to have been invented by immature college students who have very limited ability to deal with adversity. It’s really quite pathetic that it has gained so much ground. It’s like mental illness is running rampant on the left and in universities. The few people that realize it and have the courage and concern to point it out are vilified. It’s quite astonishing to watch.

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You have a fair point, which is why I exploit every possible opportunity to preach about how the world is both a nicer place and humanity is improved each time a Nazi dies a slow and horrific death. I personally advocate a slower more painful version of something used in the Holocaust, but so long as their heads ends up on a pike as a warning to the rest of those filthy goosesteppers, I'm happy. Also I suspect the ritualistic sacrifice of Nazis to God brings health and luck. It is an entire group dedicated to murdering God's chosen people after all. Why wouldn't God be thrilled with new and interesting Nazi deaths?

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George Orwell expressed it best when he said (in the book 1984) that government must control the language in order to control the thoughts of the citizens. If one cannot convey an idea with words or pictures, it dies in the brain that conceived it.

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The problem with banning "Hate Speech " is you can't stop hate thinking . How will anybody know that this kind of thinking is around . All you will do is drive it underground . Where it will fester until it becomes a bigger problem down the road .

Exactly

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