Right, Karl Marx haters (and supporters)! LOL I was intrigued by Marx's quote "Religion is the opium of the people." And then, I found this article that says this quote is often distorted and misinterpreted; [thoughtco.com] Very interesting. Do you think he deserves a bit of affection from us all? I don't actually know much about any "-isms" beyond the general knowledge level, so perhaps you can educate me. I'll just sit back and see how the discussion goes. Thanks!
A great book I came across from someone's first hand personal experience with Communism ie not 'what someone has read about Communism.' 'Marx and Satan' by Richard Wurmbrand (March 24, 1909 – February 17, 2001)." Richard has also written 'Tortured for Christ.' I watched this man on google. What an amazing man with such a humilty and love, even for those his captors. He forgave them and knew it was the hateful doctrine brainwashed into them from a young age. The fruits of Marx's doctrine in current Communist countries and the over 100 million lives murdered int the 20th century is clear. What person in the world would want to be living in North Korea. Check out what happened to Otto. 'Otto Frederick Warmbier (December 12, 1994 – June 19, 2017) was an American college student who was imprisoned in North Korea in 2016. In June 2017, he was released by North Korea in a vegetative state and died soon afterward.'
Horrendous. If you or I were living in North Korea, there is no way we could be having discussions about our different views.
I realise (and somehow predicted) that for many, Karl Marx and Marxism are a little too much to take on - it's almost a taboo subject. I observe that while we're relaxed enough to talk about dictators like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc., when it comes to Marx, the notion that Marx is the father of communism; he was an evil man and his philosophy is the devil's work (demonstrated to be so time and time again in the 20th century) makes us feel a little uneasy, and thus prevents us from furthering the study of Marxism purely from a theoretical point of view. Similarly, the severe criticism of Marxism, even translated to disgust, prevents us from showing simple curiosity about a relatively trivial matter such as his quote "religion is the opium of the people", one of the most famous yet most misinterpreted quotes. Basically, we cannot seem to talk about Marxism without feeling a little uncomfortable. Of course, there is always a slight fear that we may be wrongly labeled as communists by talking about Marxism, and that's understandable. (By the way, Friedrich Engels normally manages to escape heavy criticism - lucky him.) So, thank you very much for being brave enough to contribute your views and knowledge about Marx and his ideas. I feel I'm learning a lot (English is not my first language, so I learn good English from you as well. ). (And if you ever felt slightly offended by my remarks, I apologise - I'm a bit of contrarian, sometimes. ) I'm going to give my tiny brain a little break - I've been thinking a lot and my brain is exhausted! Feel free to continue with the discussion, though; I'll come back now and then to see if I can learn more from you! Best wishes
So much for respectful debate. Marxism is a provable failed ideology, but he was right I believe when he compares man made religion to opium. I'm not a atheist, and do want to believe in something bigger than myself. But I won't use that belief to explain away all the pain and hardship life can and will throw at you in ones lifetime. There are no easy answers and my philosophy for life is you make choices every day and there are consequences for those choices.......just own your shit and take responsibility, don't become a victim.
Addiction is when a drug or activity takes control over a person's life by dulling their senses and making their body and mind weak and dependent on a feeling or rush that ultimately will hurt them. In this way I believe Marx's was on to something when it comes to organized religion.
Always great to be critical thinkers. I am recently a returned University student. I was surprised in my first unit, Introduction to Sociology, how Marx was heralded as one of 3 great sociologists. Weber and Durkhieim the other 2. I was intrigued as the little I had heard of Marx, was the little red book that was one of the founding writings of communism. I decided to read his Communist Manifesto. To me it seemed to ooze with hatred, well disguised as 'concern for the poor.' I have heard it said that 'Marx didnt care for the poor, he just hated the rich.' I am always fascinated in these people and did research on his family and wife and kids. Not pretty. A few suicides in the family and his Karl Marx's fathe'rs concern for Marx when he was a young man, about how dark his writings seemed to becoming. My interest has been piqued while studying Social Welfare that when I question about this man, I am met with such a wall. Nothing negative can be said about him. Anyway. Food for thought. I would suggest do as much research as you can about him and read the Communist Manifesto for yourself. Easily googled. It is not hard to look at the outcomes of Communism. movies such as 'The Killing Fields' etc.
I found that Austin Cline, the writer of the article I posted, lectures and writes extensively about religion, atheism and agnosticism. I also found this YouTube video, in which an attempt is made to understand what Marx meant by "religion is the opium of the people"; which is one of the most misinterpreted quotes. It explains well, I think. Any thoughts?
Marx, well may be right about " religion is the opiate of the masses" look at where the atheist of the time have congregated. I think he was generalizing about human nature to need religion, coming from a non religious person. I would enjoy a debate of this claim.
Yea opium used to be legal, but expensive so only the Bourgeoisie could afford it. Marx didn't dislike religion and if you read the Communist Manifesto you'll not get that impression. Todays communists don't like religion broadly but thats an innovation. In fact Romania is an example of a pious communist nation from history.
Read the article, and the assumption is people hear the statement and can't see the complexity of the situation. Sure, society and life is heartless - just look to animals trying to survive in the wild (which is really what we are). And yes, religion provides some escape from that oppression. But arguing that a person in extreme trauma pain is not being mistreated by getting them strung out on morphine, is riduculous. Religion is a bandaid to mask and numb the pain, but it takes no steps in being honest and teaching people how to deal with the pain w/o reliance on imaginary friends and delusions.