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Homosexuality and brain structure:

In his book, The Master and His Emissary: The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World, Iain McGilchrist suggests that brain structure might be the leading cause of homosexual orientation of the individual. He also suggests that these structure issues might explain autism and people of exceptional openness and creativity. Further, he posits that there would be no way to to eliminate this structural differences (ie no cure) and that trying to do so would lead to detrimental effects on the human race as a whole. These thoughts lead to some interesting questions for society. For example: If his theory is correct, how would this new information affect such institutions as the Catholic Church? The Church has changed it's position on such things as suicide over time, so would it lead to different understanding of homosexuality?

AlexisS 5 Mar 13
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So there is Nature vs Nuture and Normal vs Not and Moral vs Not.. In nature, there is no homosexuality. It does not lead to offspring. I keep seeing folks say there is, but dominance is different. There is no benifit to homosexuality amoung a species in the wild. When Jane Goodall was interviewed on the matter, the interviewer hoping for the gay is ok response, she said she had only seen gay primates in the zoo..a confined space with limited mating options withing the tight social order. -The Normal or Not...mathematical its certainal not normal. 2 percent. or so. Moral is based on your religious dogma so that's a cheap shoot. - Being homosexual in no way makes u a bad person. It has no bearing on others unless u force it on someone. My wife and I struggle with shows that open on half the cast being gay or sexually confused when reality is so far from it. Gay superheroes is rediculous. Superman can save people without having sex with them...he does that already. it has no bearing on the story

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I lost count of how many times Science was suppose to upend or shake my faith, and it never pans out. And luckily I'm not Catholic.
Either way, Homosexuals are still people. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, so I for one won't condemn them. It would be wrong to do so.
Homosexual acts, however, are wrong.

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Addressing homosexuality from a moral perspective is a big debate - indeed any moral issues are. But here's my take on it from a different starting point:

It has been shown, not only through the experience of mankind but also through social studies and statistical data, that children raised by heterosexual married couples have, by far, the best life chances for success and happiness in all areas. They tend to be happier, healthier, less prone to addiction and suicide, forge happier relationships, are more successful in education and employment and ultimately add a great deal of value to society. In other words, traditional family structure is the optimum model.

Now, before anyone reacts by citing examples of successful homosexual families or unsuccessful traditional families, I shall say that, of course there are plenty of exceptions. It would fit along the classic bell curve distribution. That still doesn't alter the fact that traditional family structure is not the best option. All cultures, around the world, throughout history have come to the same conclusion to one degree or another.

Therefore, I would not condemn nor make homosexuality illegal any more than adultery is illegal (that's the libertarian side of me) but I think traditional family structure should be favoured and promoted by society, including the church, as the best and therefore most desirable option. However, I am not in favour of allowing same sex couples to have children - that's a whole new can of worms and, I suspect, storing up problems for the future. I do not think that homosexual relationships should be held up as equal in value in the most basic of human functions - that is the stable, basic functional units of society and that of raising the next generation successfully. Unfortunately, we seem to currently be in a culture that is in favour of the opposite i.e. promoting homosexuality as just an equally viable alternative which is normal and healthy. You can ride a bicycle sitting on the handlebars but that's not how it was designed to be used and most normal people don't ride it that way! People in the media are celebrated when they announce their homosexuality and always seem very keen to tell everybody about it. I don't know about anybody else, but I've never felt the need to announce to anyone about my personal sexual proclivities.

Perhaps I'm out of touch with modern sensibilities but I'll stick to my guns! After all, I'm just "male, pale and stale"!

I don't think that the traditional family structure will change because that just the way we're made, but I think that we might have room somewhere in our society for some who don't fit the mold. I think we define normal as something good and worry too much about anything that falls outside that. I think that homosexuality happens and can happen to good people. Somehow we have to come to terms with that. I think we're still not doing that.

@AlexisS Don't get me wrong. I believe that homosexuals (in fact, all people) should be treated with mutual regard, respect and dignity. I do not deny their humanity and their right to live their life as they wish. I am just concerned that the value of traditional relationships is being deliberately and systematically undermined by those who aggressively advocate for and promote alternative and sub-optimal relationships as equally viable. I think it has and will continue to have a detrimental effect on the cohesion of society. The failure of the church, the media and various governments to openly and unequivocally champion traditional relationships for fear of being accused of not being "inclusive" and their desire to constantly virtue signal to fashionable "woke" sensibilities will have detrimental and long lasting consequences.

@Incajackson I agree that we're not dealing with this issue honestly and openly. And I agree that the family is in trouble, but I don't think it can be laid at the feet of homosexuality when heterosexuals see no value in sexual discipline themselves. I'm not for or against either side - I'm trying to look at the way things are. We can't fix a problem unless we understand the problem. And I agree that "therapuetic responses" to social cohesion problems are not helpful.

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It has been demonstrated that some people may feel suicidal due to "brain structure". The Church has determined that causes a reduced moral culpability for suicide for those individuals. However, the Church will never encourage someone to identify socially as "suicidal", and the Church will never uphold suicide as a morally correct choice.

In my prediction, the Catholic Church will continue to teach unequivocally that homosexual actions are immoral (and also chemical contraception, and adultery, and fornication, and pornography, and masturbation, and bigamy, etc.). The Church will always be open to change some of its pastoral practices (i.e. the response to people) but will not approve of "gay marriage", or any of the other things I listed above.

I'm curious: would you approve of a "cure" for suicidal tendencies, if the person consented to have it? Do you believe such a cure is possible? Do antidepressants work, and can they morally be prescribed?

You can't cure it with a pill. I am not asking about "gay marriage." Do we just say "don't do anything bad" and let them fend for themselves? What kind of ministry is that? I'm simply asking the question about a condition that has a physical cause to it.

@AlexisS Catholics who want to do ministry will set up their own groups (such as the Courage apostolate [en.wikipedia.org]. Pastoral practice will change based on the experiences of such groups.

I'm not sure what changes will come, but the Church will respond in time to new developments in the science and psychology without changing the fundamental teachings.

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Interesting theory. Assuming it’s all fact, how would you expect the church to change? What if other “sinful’ behavior is also impacted by brain structure. They would likely say we are all born with weaknesses, predispositions for various addictions, diseases and attitudes and how we handle them is the true measure of the person.

If it's not a behavoir, but a physical issue I am wondering how that changes the church's approach to the community.

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It's not popular to say, but if they're honest, most homosexuals suffered some form of sexual abuse when they were young. I was personally abused as a child and spent some very confused years growing up as a result of it. I don't personally believe that there is a "gay" gene.

I've actually talked with quite a bit because of my past. And case studies are about as accurate as polling. The people running them can get any answer they want. Don't care if you care about what I went through, just telling like I see it from personal experience. Take or leave it. Makes no difference to me.

@bil2276 Confirmation bias, a lack of repeatable results in experiments, and a lack of basic honesty have plagued science and research for decades now

No, he is correct. Nearly every gay male I've talked to admits to an older male that help them "find their inner homosexuality" Even Milo Yanopolis talks about it. it would be an interesting study, but you'd need a lie detector to ferret out the correct info

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Honest Question is this was the case then why are so many pushing this agenda on children at the age of 4 now?
It is not brain structure it is learn behavior, just like any other if you grow up with morals you have them if not you don't but you can learn them.

What if it isn't learned behavoir?

@AlexisS if it can be learned behavior and thst is why it is in schools now to teach this behavior. I'm ok with free choice. But don't teach it.
You can learn something and unlearn it later in life but this is much harder.

@AlexisS how could it not be? God made man for women, and women for man. Men and womens brains are diff.

@AlexisS there have been many studies done and none have solid evidence that it is anything but learned behavior
[studymoose.com]

@Gerri4321 I agree that young people are often confused about their sexuality and that schools should not get involved in promoting sex at all, but they should encourage kids to grow up first. They should help keep that pressure off them until they are mature. But I no longer think that it's only a learned behavoir. Perhaps you might get a chance to check out the book I mentioned. It makes sense to me and there are many other things in that book that would be of interest to people of the left and the right. I think it's worth thinking about - what if behavoirists are wrong? You'd do more harm than good trying to make a person be something he/she is not.

@AlexisS and that is what is happening today we are making kids something they are not. At very ages why? Distruction of moral ,family values, suicide is very in the LGBQ comunity i have reseached this it's not because of rejection it's confusion mixed feeling self worth ect.
Behind Hollywood is a movement a cult to push evil we know pedophile is rapid in Hollywood right? So why eould they not push this on us? I will look for the book you do me a favor and look at some you tube video's on the hidden images in childens movie's adrenochome documentary is a good one as well. Disney is huge on this perversion. Then you can talk about how this relates to politics sound ok

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I haven't read his book so this is a honest question: if homosexuality is a question of brain structure, assuming that structure is a result of genetic development, how does the situation arrive when one of a pair of identical twins identifies as homosexual and the other doesn't?

He uses that very example. You can have the same genes but they express themselves differently in creating the actual structure of the brain. This could be due to physical environmental differences during development.

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