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Hello from England! I would like to post the following article. A primary school in Birmingham, UK, has recently introduced a LGBT education programme which includes lessons about sexual orientation and gender identity, and this has sparked huge outrage among parents. Please note that the programme is intended for children as young as 4; the headteacher of this primary school is gay himself; There is a large Muslim community in the area, although there are also non-Muslim parents. What are your thoughts? [dailymail.co.uk]LGBT-lessons.html

Incajackson 6 Mar 9
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I do not think kids as young as 4 should be taught any of that. I believe that it is the parents right to teach sex education to their own children and not have it forced upon their children. People have different religious beliefs and personal beliefs that should be respected. Sex education should be left out of the schools.

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All excellent points. The radical Islamics must be rolling on the floor in laughter, as we destroy ourselves from within. Human sexuality corncerns are a topic, but why this one has been mainstreamed and focuses on as yet unformed children begs the question, why? Thank you Incajackson for opening this debate.

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Thank you very much everyone, for the productive conversation. I'm glad that we more or less agree about the timing of introducing such an educational programme (in this case, too early). The matters like the contents of the programme, how it should be delivered, let alone whether this kind of education should be taught at home rather than at school, will have to be discussed another time. What I would say is that when an incident like this happens, it gives radical ideologists an opportunity to turn the whole thing into a power struggle leaving innocent children caught up in it. I feel it is our responsibility to protect children from indoctrination and radicalisation.
Again, thanks ever so much for your views and opinions.
Warmest wishes

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Any teaching of sex at that age should be done at home. Stop forcing sex education on our children. To me your trying to get them to be sexual. How can they not be when you teach it to them. Educational systems should stay out of the sex Ed department.

I sort of agree. But do feel that at a certain age, maybe around 11, kids need to be educated on the relationships between sexual activity and Parenthood and if parents do not do that for one reason or other, then kids need to have access to it. The need for so many abortions might be avoided don't you think?

This is the Intellectual Dark Web community. That can mean a lot of things. One thing it can mean is that we appeal to evidence to support our opinions, and change or modify our opinions as needed.

You make a strong claim: “any teaching of sex at that age should be done at home”. Where is the evidence to support that position? Say, after reviewing as many studies as you can on the first five pages of a search like this: [scholar.google.ca]

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Not sure about gender identity, but didn't Monty Python cover orientation pretty well in "The Meaning of Life"? I figured the British had it all worked out since then.

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It's a program based on the Equality Act 2010. [legislation.gov.uk]

That act does a lot of things. It defines "protected characteristics", which is the kind of thing people criticize as "political correctness". [legislation.gov.uk]

It also abolishes the rule that a husband must maintain his wife [legislation.gov.uk] . MGTOW guys would like that! (Just kidding - family law is going to be pretty complicated for sure)

What exactly is going on over there though? From what I read, the teacher openly identified as gay when he was hired - specifically - to run his program the 99% Muslim school (23 nationalities). His program teaches tolerance - racial and otherwise (e.g. national e.g. Israeli people e.g. non-Muslim Westerners). Am I wrong about that? It seems to be the case...

[theguardian.com]

This school is supposed to be one that inoculates students against radicalization, and learning to accept that people have a right to be gay, even though it's prohibited by Islam, is part of making people more moderate and a better fit for UK society.

Three inquiries have been held to investigate if schools in this area were breeding grounds for radicalism - but not the schools this guy has been involved with.

I can't find a copy of the actual curriculum online. That's what I'd need to react to your question.

If kids as young as four are taught, "in the UK today, some men marry women, some men marry men, some women marry women), and that's the end of it, well... that's a factually true statement.

You could add "some people think men should not marry men and women should not marry women."

I'm not a primary school educator. I can imagine kids might respond to that in different ways, and trained educators would know how to handle that better than me. I can also imagine four-year-old kids would get bored in two seconds and want to kick a ball around instead.

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I say, Good for the Muslims.

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Although I agree with the parents, it's for entirely different reasons. They are too young, and I think it's something they learn about through social discourse in society. While these Muslims will never be okay with homosexuality. They are completely homophobic and intolerant. Where's the LGBTQYZX 2.0 community outrage, where's Owen Jones and Corbyn? Of that's right, Islam is a brown race and you can't condem brown people. They sit silently wht gays in places like Iran are invited to test gravity from high places, with their hands tied behind their backs. And the fake media....nuff said.

Spot on!

You might be right, you might be wrong. It’s an empirical question that needs evidence to support it, so the rational way to answer the questions you ask is to do a bit of research.

That LGBTQ folks are persecuted relentlessly in many countries including Islamic ones (and a bunch of Christian ones, with Uganda being the most egregious example [en.m.wikipedia.org] ). By mentioning Christianity I’m not negating the idea that Islamic texts and cultures pose unique problems for gay rights. It simply is a fact that the problem is a very broad one.

There are activist groups focused on the issue of Islam and homosexuality. Info on this is not hard to find. [islamandhomosexuality.com]

There’s a list with some overlapping items, at Human Rights Watch.

[hrw.org]

And an article on the subject. [hrw.org]

I am beginning to think that if I keep digging, I will continue to find examples of outrage and agitation to promote LGBTQ rights in Muslim-majority and Islamic countries.

Is this the Intellectual Dark Web where people actually make substantiated claims, or is it just another place online to vent emotions and air grievances?

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Children are too young to be taught this, they soak everything up and believe it, if they are taught homosexuality etc is normal then they will experiment which could do more harm in the long term than anything. there are people in the wrong bodies but the number is minuscule compared to the majority. I disagree with this and support those parents who kept their kids out off school

Muslims support it because the Quran condems homosexuals and says they should be thrown from high places. We all disagree with it, but we're in no way in bed with these vile bigoted homophobes.

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Ok, one group of "victims" calling out the BS of other "victim" group. So which victim group should I listen to? I need to check their intersectionality score first and support whoever has a higer score, lol

Exactly...lol. Add up them points!

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Hi, and that program sounds like more political correctness to me...

Exactly. That's why it is such a controversial issue. Another paper reported (can't remember which one) that in one of those lessons it was mentioned that "boys are not necessarily boys; they can have period", "some children may have two daddies but no mums, or two mums but no daddies", and so on. Please remember that this programme is intended for small children as young as 4. If the headteacher is promoting identity politics, I think it is terribly wrong; I see it as indoctrination. The other side of the story is that many of the parents who are appalled by the programme are Muslims. Please note that most of them are ordinary Muslims. However, it is said that the protest group may have been infiltrated by Islamists (extreme Muslims), so, now there may be an element of radicalisation to the whole thing.

@Incajackson From what I gather, it is explicitly an anti-radicalism school, that hired this gay teacher explicitly in order to de-radicalize students by teaching them acceptance of differences - racial, religious, national and otherwise.

The school's student body is over 98% (almost 99%) Muslim. If any parents at the school are appalled, they are going to be Muslim - because almost all parents are Muslim.

It seems that some of the Muslims appalled by this are ones who send their kids to different schools in the area. They're protesting what's being taught at a school in their midst, that their kids do not go to. They don't want the ideas circulating in the community at all.

Some of those other schools have been investigated as possible Islamic radicalization schools.

Students at this school do pretty well. It's a good school, according to one measure I saw.

@Mehcanic There's a reason it's nearly 100 Muslim, they have pushed out all the non muslim families. A vile religion.

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