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Rand Paul and other republicans are saying that the impeachment trial is an affront to unity, that it will divide us even further and we should be working towards being one rather than many.

That raises the question: in the last four years, what have the Republicans in congress and in the White House done that could be seen as an attempt at "unity" with Democrats?

Seems to me that it's hypocritical for Reps to say the impeachment trial should be dropped as it is an affront to unity if, for the last four years, they themselves have never dropped anything as a token of unity.

Seems this "double standard" has been used before with the SCOTUS confirmations where they say eight months from the 20 election that it should not proceed because democrats were in control but two months prior to the 2020 election that it should proceed because republicans were in control.

I'm fully aware that these power dynamic exist within the democratic party. But I'm not asking for "whataboutism" spanning decades past but specifically about the actions these part four years.

I may be wrong and that is why I ask if anyone can come up with examples of Republican efforts at "unity" with Democrats these past four years that would make Democrats reciprocate with "unity" now (regardless of the vanishingly slim chance that the trial will actually convict). I can't come up with any but that doesn't mean they aren't there...

TheMiddleWay 8 Jan 27
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Ah, it was before I started being interested in US politics.
Trumps acceptance speech. He called for unity.

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He said he wanted partnership, not conflict.
Common ground, not hostility.

So Trump has done as much to achieve unity as did Biden in his first week.

So there you have your answer.

@TheMiddleWay
Agreed, words are cheap and that is why people now question the integrity of Biden’s words.
That is also why I said Trump did as much as Biden... who also only had words and no actions so far.

Now I have to retract that. Trump did not try to impeach Obama after the fact, he did not prosecute and try to silence his supporters.
So no, Trump did actually do more than Biden did. Biden is actively trying to cause more divisions.

You mention then a bunch of people and asked if he was to be their president as well?
Well, he said as much that he would like to be their president, however everyone you mention there did the #NotMyPresident thing immediately. They removed any common ground that could have been possible before Trump had any chance of creating common ground. They immediately impeached him and made it clear they were not going to collaborate with him on anything... and they proved it over the next four years.

I may ask what could Trump have done in your view when those people made it clear that the only solution they are interested in is his replacement?

Hence my earlier statements that calls for unity are useless when you are actively prosecuting someone to achieve nothing but to harm his name.
Trump already left the White House. You believe Biden won by a landslide... so there is no point in impeaching him other than to cause division.

Unless... you did not won by a landslide and you are terrified he will be back later and beat you at your own game... 😜.

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I may be wrong as well... but here goes in my opinion:
It was clear post 2016 election that democrats had no desire for unity and immediately started to look for reasons to impeach... and eventually made up the Russian collusion story.
I think calling for unity anytime by republicans would have been futile.

Now, after all the claims of election irregularities, I think calls for unity by Biden is futile as well. Until you resolve the issues raised and stop prosecuting people who supported Trump, there cannot be any unity.

The point Paul Rand is trying to make is that against all hope, Biden did call for unity. However, the actions of persecuting Trump and his supporters contradict that call completely.
So he is trying to say, if you call and want unity, the fist step is stop persecuting Trump et al.

So this is not so much Republicans suddenly wanting unity to stop the prosecution of Trump, but more if you want unity, stop doing things that will achieve the opposite.

@TheMiddleWay
To my recollection (and that is really limited as I do not follow all the posts and news articles), neither the Republicans nor the Democrats called for any unity during the Trump administration. Neither also dropped anything in order to achieve unity.

The democrats only called for unity after they gained power, before then they made it very certain they have no interest in unity unless they are in power.

Some Republicans only supported call to unity in order to move forward. They also supported the call to accept the election results in order to have some unity and move forward..... something the Democrats never did as they immediately started collision conspiracy and impeachment in 2016.

So it appears that only some Republicans have made any real attempt at unity. The majority of Republicans and all Democrats have not. Calling for unity is not the same as actually doing things to achieve unity.

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Hard to unify with a Democratic Party and intelligence community hell bent destroying a presidency. 3 years of Russia collusion, Ukraine phone call, etc., based on perjured FISA warrants, a con man with a folder full of falsified documents, a conversation in a bar with a Russian double agent and a Militant speaker of the house. (Is Kevin Clinesmith serving time yet?) From day 1 Pelosi made it more than clear that her top priority would be to remove Trump from office. It took an unconstitutional election to do that. I admire her stick-to-it-tiveness for giving it another shot and her consistency in ignoring the constitution again. There is no room for compromise during times like this... and this new executive order unification plan is not going to work either. Nuclear families, God and hard work folk are facing down a new group of people caught up in the catchy fad of victimization profiteering, nihilism and cradle to grave pseudo entitlement. Those two cultures are so diametrically opposed negotiation is impossible.

@TheMiddleWay The AOC - Cruz Twitter exchange seals the deal on my assertion. Never will a so called Neo Marxist Socialist Militant find UNITY with a so called Nazi, white supremist, facist, bilble thumping, gun loving attempted murderer.

@TheMiddleWay I have no idea what they have or haven't said, done or offered. The political theater that fills the airways and social media pages is designed to block critical thinking. If you are trying to your hat in this thread on something a politician did or did not say you're going to come up empty. Propaganda has become insidious in our culture and falling victim to it's effects pervasive. Don't be that Guy. Look for actions, effects, outcomes and consequences and draw your opinions about leadership ability from those metrics. Theater is emotion and we all know what that does to the pre frontal cortex.

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"THEY DID IT FIRST!"

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OK. The Right did not call for unity. It pointed out that the violence from elements of the Left were detrimental to everyone, but especially to those they claimed to support. The Right, elements of it, were arguing for actions that helped the largest possible segments of society - while calling out those elements of the Left engaged in violence - physical as well as emotional/psychological. I think calling someone 'socialist' is probably categorically different than calling someone 'racist' or 'traitorous'.

@TheMiddleWay Hypocrisy and self righteous indignation are political Yin Yang. Enjoy the show.

@TheMiddleWay Well, looking back, it seems to me Biden was the one calling for unity and healing, and Republicans (again, my own recollection and perception) were rightly questioning his sincerity. I don’t remember Republicans immediately calling for unity after losing the election.

TheMiddleWay... More like TheMindlessWay... There will never be unity the present circumstances. I think you are reading too much into the last Don Lemon CNN commentary you watched. Use your head and be a critical thinker. If you were you'd realize that the thread you've created is based on political theater designed to get people like you to stop thinking critically and revert to mindless he said she said circular arguments. Don't fall victims to propaganda... from either side.

P.S. AOC - Cruz Twitter exchange seals the deal on my assertion. Never will a so called Neo Marxist Socialist Militant find UNITY with a so called Nazi, white supremist, facist, bilble thumping, gun loving attempted murderer.

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