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Demonic forces are real. The powers and principalities that govern human societies are real. We're watching it dramatized right now in current events. There is no physical material cause for the confounded tongues through we're attempting to interact among one another. We're deceived, each and all of us, and intentionally. The intent isn't the will of any physical material individual or organization, and is thus therefore supernatural in nature.

Ignore or discuss as you will. Cheers.............

govols 8 Jan 14
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If there are demonic forces, is there something definitive we can do against them? If not, we are better off trying to fight the enemies in front of us

Ephesians 6:10-20
Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power.11 Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints.
19 Pray also for me, that whenever I open my mouth, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel, 20 for which I am an ambassador in chains. Pray that I may declare it fearlessly, as I should.

@warminster0 I would rather deal with my problems than pray for someone else to solve them.

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Are you being allegorical, asking or asserting?

I'm not sure. I'm working in a space that's weird even to me, and just tossing shit out for consideration and feedback.

@govols

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy"

I have no idea if demons are real or not. They are however a universal concept. That alone makes is worth considering at least their allegorical role.

I think that the idea that society's ills are man-made is simplistic. A look at the almost universal failures of progressives and socialist point to a dangerous arrogance. The universe is a very complex place and nature is more complex than people understand. You can not change instinct and it will be dangerous to genetically alter it.

@wolfhnd Demons are real, I have prayed them out of people using Jesus' holy angels. They will also leave when a believer understands who they are in Christ.

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Demonic forces are fairy tales. There is no such thing. Society's ills are all man-made. There are no supernatural forces at play.

As to a basis for faith in the supernatural, I am agnostic. I generally dislike organized religion, though I have many friends that participate in such - they know my position on dogma.

That said, I've been in places where the average person would be terrified and seen "people" that were the embodiment of evil and from who actions were inexplicable. Demons, however you might think of them, are real. I say so because there are people that lack even a basic humanity and yet are by all definitions intelligent.

While I've used terms and suggestions that leave open the possibility that there just plain humans that are that evil, I can not fathom or understand their behavior absent some additional involvement.

IMO.

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