This is really interesting!

@giorgia Here is more food for thought. Life is a process of self-sustaining action. Good luck to yoiu.

All any of us actually has is the time we can spend on this Earth, notions of life after death put aside. I managed to waste most of mine, but that does not mean that you or your children need to repeat my hideous mistake.

This is interesting, I agree about the fact that the meaning of life changes during lifetime. It's true that growing old makes people less likely to act, but it could also be connected to the fact that they feel their life completed. In fact, a 30 years old or middle aged human usually has energy and manages to do several things, even if he knows he's gonna die (differently from children), because he wants to make his life complete and maybe to give future generations something better ecc... In your vision, when we discover that life is not endless, after childhood, we should all be without any energy to act.

@Hank I know it's a bit off topic, but why do you feel you wasted your life? That's very sad for me to hear and I hope when I'm your age (I'm 34 now), I don't feel that way about my life.

@giorgia Oh, good point! I'm in my 30's and I have a strong concept of my own mortality now, but it doesn't make me less likely to try to do things or start things. So, philosophically speaking, understanding mortality itself doesn't slow a person down.

But the same goes for your vision... A child or even a 20-year-old might not have a strong sense of their own mortality yet, but they are very busy and imaginative. It doesn't take a concept of death to make a person driven to act.

That leads me to believe that it's more about energy level and personality than lifespan or comprehension of mortality. I'd like to think that if I could live forever, I'd never stop learning and creating things.

@RavenMStark Because I did most of what I did the wrong way. I never had a real father but I had two very ineffectual stepfathers. I did not even manage to do right by my kids. Worse, I worked every hour that I could and was never around my wife and kids because that made more comfortable than being around them. There had always been a great deal of tension between my ex-wife and myself, mostly over my wanting to save, save, save and my ex was all about spending money and gadding about. I do NOT like paying for a new car, but I do like owning a reliable car. My wife always wanted brand new shiny car, but was unwilling to pay for it.

Now, I am sure that if you were to have this exchange with my ex, she would tell you the many reasons she came to hate me. I should have divorced her within months of having married her, but marrying someone always entraps you with all sorts of miserable little details that will make very reluctant to address.

Probably it would depend on how would be human minds in such a world. It's really difficult to imagine how would work a human mind without the basilar idea of death.

Probably, I would just "live the moment". The best and deepest things in life require to put some effort, our strenght to do them comes from the idea that we don't have endless time to do them.

@giorgia But time would be meaningless if you lived forever.

@Lightman yes, and so would be our lives

@giorgia nah.... 2 totally different things

@Lightman life is the time we spend here so if time is meaningless, spending a meaningless time has no meaning

@giorgia ah no... not even a good strawman... life is what we do and experience during the time we have here.

@Lightman if that time was meaningless, as you've said, life would be what we do and experience during what...? Human being mainly do things: to survive (no meaning if you can't die), to build something for future generations (what future generations if life in endless?), to reach goals during life in order to die without regrets (no sense if life is endless) and so on...That's why I think that human beings are motivated in doing things by death.

@giorgia nah... you have a gross misunderstanding of what I actually said or just a gross misunderstanding of what eternal opportunity is... maybe try a philosophy course because its obvious you don't understand or address where I'm coming from

@Lightman actually i've studied philosophy for three years, I've got what you tryna say and I disagree but I think is not bc of misunderstanding but simply bc of really different views on this topic

@giorgia lol
one of us is right

you must have failed philosophy then...
You seem to think life is judged by time not what you do... time is just a measurement.
I guess that explains your total misunderstanding.

@Lightman if you say that time is just a measurement, I don't know where you've studied philosophy then... One of us is right, but we can't prove who is right, that's why I was talking about "different views". Ps. I don't think life is judged by time, I think life is the time we are alive on Heart. Being alive is not "what I do",it's a condition that stays for a time and that allows us to do things.

@giorgia "Time" in regards to what is being discussed here is just a measurement. We aren't discussing the 4th dimension you know... as for philosophy... sometimes it is simply argument for its own sake and is based on unreality... like postmodernism...

@Lightman no, actually you are using "time" as a measurement to prove me wrong. We were discussing about life, and I was describing it as the time we spend on Heart. In my opinion, like everything, it takes value from its limit. Imagine rule a State that has no borders, and that expands on all the Universe, it would be a mess and you'll probably do nothing good.

@giorgia So supposedly life will be endless...
You gonna spend eternity doing nothing? Really?

this was my original point.... my point is what we are discussing here and I think I know what I was talking about and I definitely know that "time" as such is a measurement.

@Lightman but this doesn't explain well your point... Maybe your philosophy course was good, but your communication skills are not. The problem is that we give different definitions of "life", and when I describe it as "the time we spend on Heart" I am not adressing to "just a measurement" as you do. If death isn't what motivates our actions then, when it comes to think about it, we all should stop doing things and end depressed.

@giorgia lol you make absurd claims...
apparently I have a communication problem but you say things like
"the time we spend on Heart" and think somehow that is meaningful??????????????????
Who in their right mind thinks death is a motivation for action... not a baby, not a child and no sane adult.

@Lightman my point was a little bit more complex and deeper, there is no reason to be so rude. Your last messages are all about how absurd are my points, they are not supporting yours. You can't support an idea just by the fact that you feel right; it doesn't work as that. What sounds absurd to you, might not sound absurd to me, not because you are the only sane adult in here.

@giorgia How very progressive postmodernist of you...

@Lightman let's do a little recap: I'm an insane adult, I'm a "very progressive postmodernist", I've failed my philosophy course, I make absurd claims and I'm misunderstanding everything that you've said. Well, I'm glad that my personality is so interesting that you can't stop talking about me! Good day <3

@giorgia odd how your mind translates things.... but par for the course for a progressive

also when you say "time we spend on Heart" do you mean... the "time we spend on EARTH" I did try to get an answer earlier on that one.

I'm not the only one here btw who disagrees with your premise that Death is motivation for the living. They also expanded on a simple point I made.

seems to me you are unwilling to let go of your false premise.

@Lightman you really can't stop talking about me and my mind ahah

@giorgiagot nothing eh?
you seem self obsessed... believe me I'm not obsessed with you.

Why do you think that then? I mean most people do things for a feeling of accomplishment. I imagine if you tell someone they'll die in a week, they won't be rushing to get as much done as possible... quite the opposite in fact, they'll be depressed without the prospect of an eternal life.

@rightalign
No, not at all... if I had a week to live I would be very busy getting my house in order and saying goodbye to my family and friends. Especially making sure my kids are ready for it.

The prospect of eternal life does not matter. If people actually believed that, no one would fear death. No one would hoard wealth.

If I had an eternity to do write that month report that needs to be in tomorrow, I would procrastinate forever.

@Hanno Why is your concern for your children's future your imminent demise any different than your concern for your children while you "feel immortal" ? Don't you feel the need to invest in the future regardless of the length of your life? Procrastinating doesn't stop reality falling apart while you neglect it?

Yes that was my point. I've typed the wrong word by mistake, I agree with you.

@rightalign
I don’t feel immortal at all.
The probability of me dying in the next week is small, so I need to invest in every week equally from now till my expected death (about 72 is my current life expectancy). It is a balancing act of preparing for my death and living my life.
If I only have one week left then that changes.

The point is I make time for my kids now... because they grow up and will be gone one day.
I make time to spend time with my wife now because there will be time when she is gone.

If we have eternity I will never do the hard yards because there is always later to do it.
And make no mistake, the world is a great place because at some point we do the hard yards.

It tells you more about the claim of eternal life.

Eternal life is not seen similar to the life we are living now, the idea of "doing things" maybe doesn't even exist in heaven.

@giorgia how is heaven heavenly if there is no doing?

@rightalign I can't answer, I think that we can't apply human ideas like the idea of 'doing' or the idea of 'action' tryna get something that is not part of our dimension.