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I've recently come across a person (Leftist) who, as often happens, refuses to find evidence for any of their claims. This time specifically it was the 'Ben Shapiro is a racist, bigot, sexist, transphobe' claim in which they made several false statements and refused to provide sources or evidence for their claims and instead said it was 'your' (the person speaking to them at the time) responsibility to deal with your 'laziness'.

What is the best or most logically sound argument you guys have heard for discussing that the burden of proof falls to the one making th claim not the beholder? This is simply to sharpen my own understanding of this so I'm better prepared for it in the future.

Starlight_Chan 4 Oct 19
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So, let me get this straight: you are asking for a logical response to someone who has proven conclusively that logic plays no role in their thought processes. Is that it?

Can you figure out the flaw in your approach? Go ahead, take your time. I’ll wait.

I can understand that but If I want to convince them to look into logical thinking and I will never convince them if i just ignore them and just refuse to convince them of my own position. If I want to make change and convince people of my position I can't just ignore them as illogical lunatics I need to show them that they are illogical lunatics

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What I generally do with religious people is an example in absurdity.
I respond that pink unicorns are real, and it is not my job to prove it.
It does not help... but at least I feel better.

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Someone who relies on 'muh racism/bigot/transphobe...' isn't arguing in good faith anyway. If there is no audience just ridicule them and if there is an audience just go on the attack and show some contradictions in their beliefs. Even hedonists who don't care about the truth still can't stand being contradicted.

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