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The church wins in California!!! [reformationcharlotte.org]
DaveO276 comments on Apr 26, 2021:
Credible threat to depose health officials! This is what needs to be done in every place that has questionable restrictions - and if they persist, then be sure to follow through!
KeithThroop replies on Apr 26, 2021:
Absolutely!
'Joe Biden's stupidity is now a threat to the West': Bolt [youtube.com]
KeithThroop comments on Apr 26, 2021:
As if we didn't have enough reasons to be embarrassed by President Biden. πŸ™„
KeithThroop replies on Apr 26, 2021:
@eschatologyguy Neither do I.
‘We are being misled’ on the climate crisis: Ian Plimer [youtube.com]
KeithThroop comments on Apr 26, 2021:
Hopefully more and more scientists like this man will start speaking out.
KeithThroop replies on Apr 26, 2021:
@eschatologyguy Good point.
The Worship of Anthony Fauci Is Getting Really Weird
DaveO276 comments on Apr 26, 2021:
The left has intentionally made people scared, and they need a savior... Enter St Anthony, patron saint of COVID-19!
KeithThroop replies on Apr 26, 2021:
@energymixer Thankfully, not all of us Christians have bought into the lies about the Wuhan Flu.
'Joe Biden's stupidity is now a threat to the West': Bolt [youtube.com]
KeithThroop comments on Apr 26, 2021:
As if we didn't have enough reasons to be embarrassed by President Biden. πŸ™„
KeithThroop replies on Apr 26, 2021:
I don't blame Bolt for pointing it out, by the way. It needs to be pointed out. God knows the MSM in the U.S. won't do it.
Virtue signalling has ‘replaced meritocracy’ at the Oscars [youtube.com]
HistoryCorner comments on Apr 26, 2021:
Are people still watching that crap?
KeithThroop replies on Apr 26, 2021:
Not me. I don't think I have seen the Oscars since I was a kid.
The biggest freshwater lake in the world – Lake Baikal – is located in Russia (20% of the ...
Forra888 comments on Apr 25, 2021:
Don't let america get a hold of it, they will pollute it and destroy it. They destroy and abuse everything they touch, even western lifestyle and our freedoms.
KeithThroop replies on Apr 25, 2021:
Actually, the USSR had already manged to all but ruin this grand lake. http://soviethistory.msu.edu/1980-2/cleaning-up-baikal/ Putin, however, had seen the trouble and has said he wants to do something about it. The Lake had been being drained and polluted for so long that it was severely threatened. https://phys.org/news/2017-08-russia-lake-baikal-extremely-polluted.html
Brett Kavanaugh Rules Children Deserve Life in Prison With No Chance of Parole
DaveO276 comments on Apr 24, 2021:
Brett Kavanaugh and SCOTUS did their job as the judiciary. They interpreted the law. For them to do otherwise would be judicial overreach. If you don't like what the law says, it is the role of the legislature to change it. Also, the assertion that the allegations against Brett Kavanaugh were ...
KeithThroop replies on Apr 24, 2021:
Right. After a cursory reading of the actual decision, I think the above linked article by Vanity Fair (a notably liberal/progressive news source) has misunderstood it. I'm not surprised that they simply took the side of the three dissenting progressive judges -- Breyer, Kagan, and Sotomayor.
What do you call a Norse god who doesn't draw much attention to themselves? Low Key.......!
angelo comments on Apr 24, 2021:
Such beings do not exist.
KeithThroop replies on Apr 24, 2021:
As a Christian I of course agree that these gods are not real, but that doesn't mean that there are not real beings behind the false gods that work to convince people that they are real. In fact, while affirming that the gods themselves are nothing, the Bible indicates that what the people were worshiping under the guise of such false gods were actually demons that had tricked them. For example, when Moses described the idolatry rampant in his day, he said: > They provoked Him [YHWH, the true God] to jealousy with foreign gods; With abominations they provoked Him to anger. They sacrificed to demons, not to God, To gods they did not know, To new gods, new arrivals That your fathers did not fear. (Deut. 32:16-17 NKJ) And before that, when God had given instructions for the priesthood, He said, "They shall no more offer their sacrifices to demons, after whom they have played the harlot. This shall be a statute forever for them throughout their generations"' (Lev. 17:7 NKJ). This was, of course, a reference to their previous practice of sacrificing to idols. Then, in the New Testament, after asserting that "we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God but one" (1 Cor. 8:4 NKJ), the Apostle Paul alluded to the text in Deuteronomy when arguing that Christians should not take part in pagan feasts: > Observe Israel after the flesh: Are not those who eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar? What am I saying then? That an idol is anything, or what is offered to idols is anything? Rather, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice they sacrifice to demons and not to God, and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the Lord's table and of the table of demons. (1 Cor. 10:18-21 NKJ) So, from the biblical, Christian point of view, does Loki or any other such being actually exist? No. But *demons*, who seek to deceive people into thinking such beings exist, *do* actually exist. Just thought I would add this perspective, since you broached the subject of the existence, or, rather, non-existence, of such beings as the Norse gods.
Racists!! George Floyd Square in Minneapolis features special instructions for white people.
DaveO276 comments on Apr 24, 2021:
If it wasn't for BLM's racism (which appears to be systemic, by the way), a violent criminal who (accidentally?) killed himself with a drug overdose wouldn't be celebrated as a martyr in a manufactured race war in the first place. Additionally, an innocent public servant wouldn't be in prison as a ...
KeithThroop replies on Apr 24, 2021:
I have tried to follow this case pretty closely, and I think you have basically summed it up.
Nuclear energy is needed. [reason.com]
eschatologyguy comments on Apr 23, 2021:
Interestingly, there is an indication that nuclear energy is going to be used during Christ's Millennial Reign. Woke Christians who oppose peaceful nuclear power haven't been reading their bibles enough. https://youtu.be/MfOm9xvEIvg Using MSR technology as @KeVince here is suggesting, the ...
KeithThroop replies on Apr 23, 2021:
@eschatologyguy First, as I would assume you know, there are two forms of Preterism. There is Full Preterism, and there is Partial Preterism. Full Preterism, which denies a future second coming of Christ and a future resurrection of the dead, for example, asserting that these have already taken place, is indeed a heresy. Partial Preterism, however, does not hold those heretical ideas, but only asserts that prophecies in the Book of Revelation, for example, have been partially fulfilled. The Partial Preterists, therefore, might argue that some prophecies were fulfilled during the war with the Romans in the latter part of the first century but still hold that the second coming of Christ, the resurrection of the dead, the future kingdom, etc. are still future. My comments were intended to allow for the possibility of a Partial Preterist view, not a Full Preterist view. I am glad to hear that "Missler has repeated many times in other videos regarding certain things he says being speculation." I would only add that, if we want to continue this conversation, which I would be glad to do, perhaps you could start a thread about it in your own group? I'm thinking it may not belong in this group, and it might tax the patience of others here who are not interested in such matters.
Nuclear energy is needed. [reason.com]
eschatologyguy comments on Apr 23, 2021:
Interestingly, there is an indication that nuclear energy is going to be used during Christ's Millennial Reign. Woke Christians who oppose peaceful nuclear power haven't been reading their bibles enough. https://youtu.be/MfOm9xvEIvg Using MSR technology as @KeVince here is suggesting, the ...
KeithThroop replies on Apr 23, 2021:
@eschatologyguy Well, the two basic options are 1) that this prophecy was already fulfilled before and that there actually were "bows, arrows, spears, shields and bucklers," or 2) that this prophecy refers to something still future but that what Ezekiel saw was symbolic (and he probably knew it to be such), in which case we do not know with certainly to what the symbols refer. My comments above allowed for this latter option, but I still added the caveat that anything we may try to say with much certainty would simply be speculation (unless, unless, of course, some other Scripture passage may be adduced that greatly clarifies the text). Again, as I stated in my first comment above, I am not saying that all speculation is bad; I'm just saying that we need to be careful not to confuse our speculation with what the text actually says. My own preference is simply to avoid speculating for the most part and just admit that I don't know some things.
Nuclear energy is needed. [reason.com]
eschatologyguy comments on Apr 23, 2021:
Interestingly, there is an indication that nuclear energy is going to be used during Christ's Millennial Reign. Woke Christians who oppose peaceful nuclear power haven't been reading their bibles enough. https://youtu.be/MfOm9xvEIvg Using MSR technology as @KeVince here is suggesting, the ...
KeithThroop replies on Apr 23, 2021:
@eschatologyguy Well, I think that an ancient prophet knew what an arrow was, for example, and he knew how to use figurative language to describe something if he didn't know what it was. I don't doubt that at times they saw things they didn't understand, but they also often described them by means of figurative language or by means of the language available to them to say what something looked like to them. So, if a prophet speaks of *arrows*, I think he means *arrows*, unless he tells me that it is something that *looks like* an arrow. Consider, by way of analogy, a modern person who looks up in the sky and sees a UFO that is shaped like, and sort of looks like, a VW bus. Does that person then go and tell all his friends, "Hey! I saw a VW bus flying through the air!" Or does he tell his friends, "Hey! I saw something in the sky that sort of looked like a VW bus." Of course, he does the latter because, whatever it might be, he knows full well that it is *not* actually a VW bus. He isn't stupid, and he knows how to describe things he has never seen before by means of figurative language or analogy to things he actually has seen. We have no reason to think that the ancient prophets were any different. There are, of course, also times when prophets use symbolism, but then we must look for contextual reasons to understand something as symbolic. At any rate, my point still stands. "Reading between the lines" is just another way of referring to *speculation*, and my point is that we must be very careful not to confuse speculation with what the text does or does not clearly say.
Nuclear energy is needed. [reason.com]
eschatologyguy comments on Apr 23, 2021:
Interestingly, there is an indication that nuclear energy is going to be used during Christ's Millennial Reign. Woke Christians who oppose peaceful nuclear power haven't been reading their bibles enough. https://youtu.be/MfOm9xvEIvg Using MSR technology as @KeVince here is suggesting, the ...
KeithThroop replies on Apr 23, 2021:
Here is the main passage that the man in the video appears to have in mind: > "Then those who dwell in the cities of Israel will go out and set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and bucklers, the bows and arrows, the javelins and spears; and they will make fires with them for seven years. 10 They will not take wood from the field nor cut down any from the forests, because they will make fires with the weapons; and they will plunder those who plundered them, and pillage those who pillaged them," says the Lord GOD. 11 "It will come to pass in that day that I will give Gog a burial place there in Israel, the valley of those who pass by east of the sea; and it will obstruct travelers, because there they will bury Gog and all his multitude. Therefore they will call it the Valley of Hamon Gog. 12 For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them, in order to cleanse the land. 13 Indeed all the people of the land will be burying, and they will gain renown for it on the day that I am glorified," says the Lord GOD. 14 They will set apart men regularly employed, with the help of a search party, to pass through the land and bury those bodies remaining on the ground, in order to cleanse it. At the end of seven months they will make a search. 15 The search party will pass through the land; and when anyone sees a man's bone, he shall set up a marker by it, till the buriers have buried it in the Valley of Hamon Gog. 16 The name of the city will also be Hamonah. Thus they shall cleanse the land."' (Ezek. 39:9-16 NKJ) The text does not say that the weapons will burn for seven years, as though there is some sort of weapon that continuously burns for that long, but that the people will make fires using the weapons and that it will take seven years before they are able to burn them all. The point is that there are a *lot* of weapons because of the vastness of the army that is destroyed. Also, dead bodies were considered to be ceremonially unclean and not to be touched under the mosaic law (e.g. Numbers 19:11), so they had to carefully bury all the dead bodies. Since there were so many of them, men were hired for the job and people were to let them carry it out rather than risk becoming unclean themselves. There is no obvious reason that any of this has to refer to nuclear weapons or nuclear warfare, although I suppose it is not outside the realm of possibility. It disturbs me that the man in the video nevertheless seems to assert it with a pretty high degree of certainty. However, he does better when he goes on to mention verse 6 from the preceding context and says that there are "some that *speculate* that *possibly* this is an *allusion* to a nuclear exchange" (italics mine). I'm glad that he finally put in this caveat, for *speculation* is ...
Maxine Waters is GUILTY of inciting VIOLENCE - again We demand a GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY verdict!
Daveclark5 comments on Apr 21, 2021:
Like the religious leaders who incited the crowds to call for the crucifixion the perfect and sinless LORD and Savior, Maxine and her ilk will receive their justice throughout eternity. She is to be pitied for her punishment is far worse than anything people could ever do to her. I doubt she and ...
KeithThroop replies on Apr 21, 2021:
Right on.
While "tragedy" is the word we use for a terrible event or a sad outcome, it has roots from the ...
KeithThroop comments on Apr 21, 2021:
But, of course, when we use the word *tragedy*, we don't mean anything like what the root word meant.
KeithThroop replies on Apr 21, 2021:
@HistoryCorner I really appreciate your sense of humor. LOL!
Christianity and the Modern World: Bishop Barron | Jordan B. Peterson Podcast [youtu.be]
KeithThroop comments on Apr 20, 2021:
This was a fascinating discussion, although I would have enjoyed it if Jordan had spoken with a theologian that did not grant evolution from the beginning and then carry out the discussion with this as a given. Most conservative theologians do not accept evolution, after all, and it would be really ...
KeithThroop replies on Apr 21, 2021:
@Krunoslav Well, I of course do not expect you to simply take my word for anything, but I have always appreciated your desire to listen and be respectful of others' knowledge or points of view, as your comment here demonstrates. I have also often been impressed by the way you don't simply dismiss people or assume that you know more than you do about some issues. It shows a kind of humility and genuine desire for learning that is lacking in many these days. This is one reason I have learned much from many of your own posts, even when I disagree with some things you've said. In fact, I see these same traits in Jordan Peterson, which is why I also like to hear what he has to say and often learn from him as well. I agree with the two of you that you don't have to agree with everything someone else thinks or says to learn from them. This was also demonstrated well in the video above.
Christianity and the Modern World: Bishop Barron | Jordan B. Peterson Podcast [youtu.be]
KeithThroop comments on Apr 20, 2021:
This was a fascinating discussion, although I would have enjoyed it if Jordan had spoken with a theologian that did not grant evolution from the beginning and then carry out the discussion with this as a given. Most conservative theologians do not accept evolution, after all, and it would be really ...
KeithThroop replies on Apr 21, 2021:
@Krunoslav Yes, Jordan spent has spent a great deal of time contemplating parts of the Bible. However, as I pointed out above and have mentioned in other posts on this forum, his perspectives is often so clouded by his Jungian views, as well as concepts apparently derived from comparative religions studies, that he tends to anachronistically read concepts back into the Bile as though they are really there. Here is one example from a former discussion on this forum: https://idw.community/group/FoundationsWesternCiv/discussion/186240/so-the-hypothesis-is-that-god-is-an-abstracted-ideal-formulated-in-large-part-to-dissociate-the-idea
Another cold snap hits northern hemisphere. Must be global freezing
HistoryCorner comments on Apr 20, 2021:
Cold as heck and snowing here... And I just planted potatoes!!!!! Aaaaaargh! Can people please start their cars and let them run over night??
KeithThroop replies on Apr 20, 2021:
@Poncho69 Actually, it started snowing again here about an hour ago.
Another cold snap hits northern hemisphere. Must be global freezing
HistoryCorner comments on Apr 20, 2021:
Cold as heck and snowing here... And I just planted potatoes!!!!! Aaaaaargh! Can people please start their cars and let them run over night??
KeithThroop replies on Apr 20, 2021:
Yes, same sort of thing where I live, but probably not quite as cold or snowing quite as much.
Russia thinks Joe Biden is 'too weak' to stop them [youtube.com]
DaveO276 comments on Apr 20, 2021:
Biden IS too weak to stop them, but then, so is USA, probably, if you're talking about military brute force... USA just doesn't have the same level of worldwide military supremacy it once had. If USA tried to take on Russia in Ukraine today, I'm not convinced they could win that war, no matter who...
KeithThroop replies on Apr 20, 2021:
@DaveO276 You may be right, but I suspect that the main reason many countries are afraid of Russia is that Putin has demonstrated his ruthlessness so often. He doesn't have to bite very often when his bark is so well respected. On the other hand, he has every reason to believe that Biden has no bite at all. I guess we will have to wait and see.
Russia thinks Joe Biden is 'too weak' to stop them [youtube.com]
DaveO276 comments on Apr 20, 2021:
Biden IS too weak to stop them, but then, so is USA, probably, if you're talking about military brute force... USA just doesn't have the same level of worldwide military supremacy it once had. If USA tried to take on Russia in Ukraine today, I'm not convinced they could win that war, no matter who...
KeithThroop replies on Apr 20, 2021:
I think the U.S. could win it because of how weak Russia actually is militarily. But I think you are right in your assessment that our military has been far too weakened, a weakening which began in the Clinton administration in the 1990's.
This is one way to fight back [youtu.be]
Daveclark5 comments on Apr 20, 2021:
I would like to know where this business is. I support businesses that encourage ‘No-mask’ patrons and employees. I would shop there before shopping at their competitors’ establishments.
KeithThroop replies on Apr 20, 2021:
Same here.
(1895-1896) Scenes of Lyon, France. Lumiere brothers. [youtube.com]
Tom81 comments on Apr 20, 2021:
Is it just me, or was there anarchy on the roads there? Seems like everyone is just doing their own thing. Less rules and probably less accidentsπŸ€”
KeithThroop replies on Apr 20, 2021:
They didn't have to reckon with a lot of fast moving vehicles.
The Celts took great pride in their appearance, as is evident in this collection of Celtic grooming ...
Tom81 comments on Apr 19, 2021:
Ah, the Celts... https://youtu.be/KqvdRN7gnWQ
KeithThroop replies on Apr 19, 2021:
@HistoryCorner Spain was also on their way, so they actually did come from Spain, even if not originally.
If you've seen even five minutes of CNN 'you know what their agenda is' [youtube.com]
SpikeTalon comments on Apr 18, 2021:
CNN= Cockamamie News Network.
KeithThroop replies on Apr 18, 2021:
Some here also used to call it the "Clinton News Network," but then switched to the "Communist News Network."
Gotta love JP... This one....is awesome [youtu.be]
Jmann44492403 comments on Apr 17, 2021:
That was totally offensive......on so many levels........
KeithThroop replies on Apr 17, 2021:
Hey! I'm offended that you found that offensive. And, if you are offended at my taking offense, then I am offended by that as well!
Ok the Pentagon and UFOs.
HistoryCorner comments on Apr 16, 2021:
They know what it is. They know what they're doing. When government wants you to believe it's alien, chances are it's not.
KeithThroop replies on Apr 16, 2021:
> When government wants you to believe it's alien, chances are it's not. Now *that* is something to think about.
Margaret Sullivan of the Washington Post read a study that says people hate the media.
Sensrhim4hizvewz comments on Apr 15, 2021:
It proves how badly western journalism has become activism with sensationalism rather than unbiased observation and reporting
KeithThroop replies on Apr 15, 2021:
Right on!
My interview with Suzanne Venker, discussing victimhood culture and feminism in the black community.
KeithThroop comments on Apr 15, 2021:
This is the second interview of yours I have seen, and I'm even more intrigued than before.
KeithThroop replies on Apr 15, 2021:
@BlackoutNJ I look forward to seeing more. :)
The Antichrist and The Restrainer - Chuck Missler [youtu.be]
KeithThroop comments on Apr 14, 2021:
Personally, I don't think we can know what/who the restrainer is. I tend to agree with Leon Morris when he writes: > Once again he [Paul] directs attention to a fact that was well known to the Thessalonians and on which, therefore, he has no need to enlarge. Since they knew what he was writing ...
KeithThroop replies on Apr 15, 2021:
@eschatologyguy I have heard and read some who speculate that the Restrainer is Michael the Archangel. Your pastor isn't the only one who has held such a notion. I think this view would also fit well within the bounds of orthodoxy. I just think that we should be careful to make it clear that such perspectives are, in fact, speculation, and that we should not be too dogmatic about any of them.
HERE we go.
eschatologyguy comments on Apr 14, 2021:
Their experimental product needs a lot of consumers, esp. since they are already allowed to sell it.
KeithThroop replies on Apr 14, 2021:
And they have immunity from any lawsuits. 😑
Are you scared now. Just wait. It gets worse. Much much worse.
HistoryCorner comments on Apr 13, 2021:
I can't afford the INSANE fine. I have no choice. I either wear a mask or get the fine I can't pay, so I have to go to prison and risk losing my children. The fine here for not wearing a mask is a month and a halfs pay for me. I can barely scrape by as it is.
KeithThroop replies on Apr 13, 2021:
@HistoryCorner Right on.
NFL to restrict employees who refuse COVID-19 vaccine without ‘bona fide’ grounds
TimTuolomne comments on Apr 13, 2021:
I will NoFriggingLonger watch the NFL
KeithThroop replies on Apr 13, 2021:
I stopped watching a couple of seasons ago. The acceptance by the NFL of kneeling for the National Anthem was enough to put me off the NFL. As I once wrote in another post, I don't know why an individual or group would find it a good thing to willfully insult a whole nation for the actions of some. If I may try to use crime as an analogy, it is as though they are saying: > Despite the fact that this nation was founded with a desire to be a nation of laws, and despite the fact that this nation has taken many steps to try to ensure that crimes are not committed -- with many of them even risking or giving their lives in order to help stop criminal activity -- the fact is that there are still crimes being committed every day somewhere by some people. There are even crimes being committed by members of the government. Therefore, I will refuse to honor the flag or the national anthem of this country until such time as it becomes a country without criminals. I don't care that most of them are not criminals or whether or not I have any real evidence of criminality on behalf of the majority. I will treat them all like criminals and insult them all until they agree with me that they are criminals and bring an end to all criminal activity ... or at least stop an amount of criminality that meets with my own arbitrary standard that I have not bothered to clearly define for them. If they take offense at this action, then it only proves that they are really still criminals at heart and that I am right to insult them and the country in which they live. And, by the way, I am perfectly entitled not to show any gratitude whatsoever for the fact that I am allowed by this country to publicly speak out about such issues without fear of being treated like a criminal myself. We are all in a no-win situation when folks think this way with regard to the issue of racism. We will never be able to satisfy people with such an attitude. We certainly don't have to encourage it, though. The NFL, however, has gone out of its way to encourage such bad behavior based on such bad thinking.
Are you scared now. Just wait. It gets worse. Much much worse.
HistoryCorner comments on Apr 13, 2021:
I can't afford the INSANE fine. I have no choice. I either wear a mask or get the fine I can't pay, so I have to go to prison and risk losing my children. The fine here for not wearing a mask is a month and a halfs pay for me. I can barely scrape by as it is.
KeithThroop replies on Apr 13, 2021:
Right. You have to make the choice that is best for you and your family and be brave in the face of criticism for doing it. In such a situation, you probably get "shot at" from both sides, but I, for one, think you are doing the right thing.
Stretch daily
HistoryCorner comments on Apr 13, 2021:
I'd prefer to keep my skin though.....
KeithThroop replies on Apr 13, 2021:
That really did make me laugh out loud.
US-Mexico border issue is ‘starting to play bad on both sides’ [youtube.com]
KeithThroop comments on Apr 12, 2021:
There is a difference between "absentee ballots" and "mail-in ballots." As I understand the way it works in most states, a person typically has to request an absentee ballot, verifying his or her identity and giving a reason that he or she cannot vote in person. Mail-in ballots were being sent out ...
KeithThroop replies on Apr 12, 2021:
@guru It would take just a few states getting their acts together, as well as SCOTUS willing to do its job. I guess we will have to wait and see. Our nation has weathered such things in the past, but, then, some of our institutions were working better then, so ...
"We have to start looking at taxation as a vast system of robbery and oppression, by which some ...
KeithThroop comments on Apr 12, 2021:
> We must realize that from the point of view of justice or of economic prosperity, the less people are taxed, the better." So, not *all* taxation is robbery and oppression. I am glad that he qualified the statement.
KeithThroop replies on Apr 12, 2021:
@Wordmage I certainly agree that often taxation is evil and that we should limit the amount of taxation as much as possible. Personally, however, I don't think taxation in and of itself is evil. But there is much difference between our views at the end of the day.
These Are the Juicy Details Hunter Biden DIDN'T Put In His Book | Some Tips for Hunter Biden ...
KeithThroop comments on Apr 11, 2021:
Will the Biden's ever be held accountable? Probably at about the same time that Hillary Clinton is held accountable, which is almost certainly *never*.
KeithThroop replies on Apr 11, 2021:
@eschatologyguy No, I didn't forget. I was simply talking about justice in our country/culture.
Racist Graffiti EXPOSED As Yet Another Hate Crime Hoax [youtube.com]
HistoryCorner comments on Apr 9, 2021:
It's been a pattern for a while. Here, if we read about a "hate crime" we just assume it's a hoax, because it is 98% of the time...
KeithThroop replies on Apr 10, 2021:
Sounds even worse there. How sad for both our countries.
Very fitting for today's world
Hanno comments on Apr 9, 2021:
You completely miss the point: We focus on other peoples sins so that we can feel better about our own sins.
KeithThroop replies on Apr 9, 2021:
Yes, all too often we may all tend to do this.
Very fitting for today's world
eschatologyguy comments on Apr 9, 2021:
In a context where this is coming from, for example, a pedophile, how would you view this meme?
KeithThroop replies on Apr 9, 2021:
Good question.
Unbelievably unwoke: Florida attempts a bill guaranteeing intellectual freedom and viewpoint ...
DaveO276 comments on Apr 9, 2021:
DeSantis for President!
KeithThroop replies on Apr 9, 2021:
I would seriously consider voting for him. He seems to be trying to pick up Trump's mantle, or take the baton from Trump and run with it, or whatever other metaphor you might like.
Text messages reveal Hunter pleaded with Joe Biden to run for president [youtube.com]
angelo comments on Apr 9, 2021:
Pleaded? hoping Senile Bidet would win so the crackhead wouldn't be investigated.
KeithThroop replies on Apr 9, 2021:
That sounds about right.
Unbelievably unwoke: Florida attempts a bill guaranteeing intellectual freedom and viewpoint ...
Jmann44492403 comments on Apr 8, 2021:
That this even has to be considered by the legislature is evidence of how far we have fallen as a constitutional republic.
KeithThroop replies on Apr 8, 2021:
Amen!
My interview with YouTuber Gothix about my Book "Black Victim To Black Victor" [youtube.com]
KeithThroop comments on Apr 8, 2021:
@BlackoutNJ Wow! What an informative and compelling interview, filled with truth and wisdom. I've got to move your book up on my reading list, Adam. It was fifth in line, but I think I'm going to read it next.
KeithThroop replies on Apr 8, 2021:
@BlackoutNJ You are an excellent and gifted communicator, my friend.
My interview with YouTuber Gothix about my Book "Black Victim To Black Victor" [youtube.com]
DaveO276 comments on Apr 8, 2021:
Man, that was powerful! I'll have to get your book. Seeing the way you presented in this interview, I think you should get your own Youtube and alt-tech channels, where you do videos about these issues. It's great that you have a book and a blog, and I think a video format would be a powerful ...
KeithThroop replies on Apr 8, 2021:
Yes, that is a great idea. I would definitely subscribe.
I refused to do school work.
KeithThroop comments on Apr 8, 2021:
My wife and I homeschooled all three of our children, and they always did their homework. After all, it was all *home*work. πŸ˜‰
KeithThroop replies on Apr 8, 2021:
@Poncho69 Well, it isn't for everyone, but I certainly recommend it highly if at all possible.
Matt Gaetz is one of your lot isn't he?
govols comments on Apr 8, 2021:
No, I think most on the not left await the result of the investigation.
KeithThroop replies on Apr 8, 2021:
Right. Gaetz actually claims that the persons making the accusations about him were attempting to extort him and his father and that they themselves actually approached the Feds about it, that his father even wore a wire, and that they were cooperating with a federal investigation. It is a pretty dd situation, and there has clearly been an illegal leak with intent to destroy Gaetz, but, unlike so many on the Left -- or perhaps unlike some RINO's on the right -- I choose to wait and see.
Do doctors have to have the covid-19 vaccine?
Stratslinger comments on Apr 8, 2021:
Thank you, Keith. I've bookmarked it. I have no intention of getting the shot.
KeithThroop replies on Apr 8, 2021:
I have no intention of getting the shot either.
Despite the many discovered paintings of Tutankhamun portraying him as exactly the regal figure we ...
eschatologyguy comments on Apr 8, 2021:
There is an allusion in the bible that Egypt was invaded by the Assyrians after the death of Joseph. Isaiah 52:4 "For thus saith the Lord GOD, My people went down aforetime into Egypt to sojourn there; AND THE ASSYRIAN oppressed them without cause." Strange verse, isn't it? I did a little ...
KeithThroop replies on Apr 8, 2021:
@HistoryCorner Very good point.
Nerves Of Steel (1927) [youtube.com]
KeithThroop comments on Apr 8, 2021:
No way you would ever catch me in a situation like that! Yikes!
KeithThroop replies on Apr 8, 2021:
@eschatologyguy My palms sweat just looking at that picture. LOL!
So.
KeithThroop comments on Apr 7, 2021:
@AdrianRainbow This group is called Biblical Christianity, and that is the intended focus of the group so far as I know. There are plenty of other groups here where you can spout off about how much you hate it, but this group is for those who believe it. If you have sincere questions you would like ...
KeithThroop replies on Apr 8, 2021:
@dagodfrey27127 Yep!
Ben Shapiro Wants To Cancel Modifiers
DaveO276 comments on Apr 8, 2021:
Point taken... but to the point Ben was ultimately making in that clip, justice is justice. When people put the word "social" in front of it, what they are usually describing (affirmative action i.e. enforced equity of outcome without regard to factors that legitimately produce unequal outcomes) is...
KeithThroop replies on Apr 8, 2021:
Right, the guy in the video purposefully took the statement out of context to make Ben look silly. I don't think that anyone who has listened to all that he had to say seriously thinks for one moment that he is against all modifiers or that he thinks all modifiers attached to inherently good terms make them evil.
United Airlines Faces MAJOR BACKLASH After Going WOKE on Twitter! [youtube.com]
DaveO276 comments on Apr 8, 2021:
"This time" segregationism is coming from the left? No, no, no - it was ALWAYS coming from the side of the Democrats, and that remains the case today. The great switch is a myth. The only thing that has switched is that Democrats' power drive has switched tactics slightly!
KeithThroop replies on Apr 8, 2021:
Right on.
So.
KeithThroop comments on Apr 7, 2021:
@AdrianRainbow This group is called Biblical Christianity, and that is the intended focus of the group so far as I know. There are plenty of other groups here where you can spout off about how much you hate it, but this group is for those who believe it. If you have sincere questions you would like ...
KeithThroop replies on Apr 8, 2021:
@AdrianRainbow I'm finished. Have a nice day.
So.
KeithThroop comments on Apr 7, 2021:
@AdrianRainbow This group is called Biblical Christianity, and that is the intended focus of the group so far as I know. There are plenty of other groups here where you can spout off about how much you hate it, but this group is for those who believe it. If you have sincere questions you would like ...
KeithThroop replies on Apr 8, 2021:
@AdrianRainbow Well, your initial post had no question in it, only hateful accusations. In answer to your question now, *all* transgressions *are* ultimately made against Him. He has created us and, as our Creator, He has the right to expect us to adhere to His own moral standard. He has the right to hold us accountable when we don't, and He has the right to forgive us when we sincerely repent.
So.
KeithThroop comments on Apr 7, 2021:
@AdrianRainbow This group is called Biblical Christianity, and that is the intended focus of the group so far as I know. There are plenty of other groups here where you can spout off about how much you hate it, but this group is for those who believe it. If you have sincere questions you would like ...
KeithThroop replies on Apr 8, 2021:
@AdrianRainbow Well, I did say that, if you had any sincere questions, to go ahead and ask them. Frankly, I don't mind personally if you want to challenge what I believe. But you did agree to the community guidelines when you joined this community, and those guidelines explicitly state that there should be no trolling, personal attacks, profanity, vulgarity, etc. You came into this group violating those guidelines, apparently just wanting to pick a fight and spew hate. If that's all you want to do, I again suggest that take it elsewhere. By the way, if I were to visit an Atheist group, I would expect that they wouldn't want me acting there the way that you have here, especially since this forum has explicit guidelines against it. Like me, I'm sure they don't mind being challenged or criticized, but I'm sure they would mind being called vulgar names by those who disagree with them. Such behavior is that of a petulant child and is not worthy of sincere, respectful, adult dialog. This is a free speech community, but it is one in which the rules simply expect common decency and adult behavior. At any rate, there are many places in this community that afford you the opportunity to spew as much hatred as you like toward the Christian faith. The only reason I could see that you would want to do so in this group would be that you enjoy trolling and being mean-spirited. Again, if that is what you like to do, I suggest you do it somewhere else.
So.
HistoryCorner comments on Apr 7, 2021:
But in order to get to go to heaven you have to be born again (in Christs blood) . In that sense you're not the same person anymore. The same guy that raped and murdered her can't go to heaven, he has to (spiritually) die and be reborn to be able to.
KeithThroop replies on Apr 7, 2021:
@HistoryCorner Well said.
So.
Poncho69 comments on Apr 7, 2021:
No one is perfect. God is forgiveness.
KeithThroop replies on Apr 7, 2021:
@AdrianRainbow I would remind you of a couple of the community guidelines that you have violated here: > 4. We welcome debate and dissent but personal attacks, persistent trolling and similar abuse will not be tolerated. > 5. Avoid profanity, vulgarity, etc. Arguments have more impact if they are polite and respectful. I have flagged the offending comments and reported them. We are all perfectly able to handle tough arguments or criticism, but personal attack and the kind of trolling and name-calling in which you have engaged are not what this forum is about.
Will Donald Trump Save Us From Social Media Addiction?
iThink comments on Apr 7, 2021:
IDW community is trying to be that platform.
KeithThroop replies on Apr 7, 2021:
Wouldn't it be cool if Trump joined this forum?
Justice Clarence Thomas has bad news for Facebook and Google [thedailykenn.blogspot.com]
Slimtoe comments on Apr 5, 2021:
I wonder how long he will have his job now?
KeithThroop replies on Apr 5, 2021:
For the rest of his life or until he chooses to retire. Supreme Court Justices are life appointments. This is one instance in which I am thankful for that. Of course, a Supreme Court Justice could be impeached, but that is a very difficult thing to do and an extremely unlikely thing to happen.
Artur Pawlowski: Pastor THROWS Out Cops Who Try To Shut Down His Church Alberta Police attempted ...
HistoryCorner comments on Apr 4, 2021:
Shut de door, keep out the devil....
KeithThroop replies on Apr 4, 2021:
That reminds me of the old Randy Stonehill song. :)
A flaw in the narrative
Semitipper comments on Apr 3, 2021:
When you don't have any real subject knowledge it (the question He poses) looks strange. He was directly quoting Psalm 22. Written 1000 years earlier as a prophetic passage - a sign to the Jews who the Messiah really is. Many passages were written centuries before He appeared so they (Jews)...
KeithThroop replies on Apr 3, 2021:
Right on.
Joe Biden, What!! [youtube.com]
HistoryCorner comments on Apr 1, 2021:
Is he drunk????
KeithThroop replies on Apr 1, 2021:
He certainly didn't sound like a sober man.
The Old Testament is the most noble example to come down to us from the ancient Near East of an idea...
KeithThroop comments on Mar 31, 2021:
That is an interesting take, and it definitely has some truth behind it, even if it misses what the main themes of the Old Testament really are.
KeithThroop replies on Mar 31, 2021:
@Krunoslav Thanks for providing the larger context. I'm not sure whether Fears would agree with my assessment of the Old Testament or not. The notes don't offer enough information to decide. Fears was clearly just highlighting certain concepts that fit into his theme, not only with the Bible but with other sources or historical points of view that he mentions, without an interest in discussing the larger contexts of any of them. This is a necessity when offering an overview such as the one that was attempting, and it can lead to accusations of oversimplification and distortion if one doesn't keep in mind what he was and wasn't trying to accomplish. On a side note, I'm not sure that I agree with his assessment of where the notions of natural law and of all men being created equal came from. I think these ideas were already in the Old Testament long before the Greeks or the Romans as he suggested. But that is a debate for another day, I suppose.
The Old Testament is the most noble example to come down to us from the ancient Near East of an idea...
KeithThroop comments on Mar 31, 2021:
That is an interesting take, and it definitely has some truth behind it, even if it misses what the main themes of the Old Testament really are.
KeithThroop replies on Mar 31, 2021:
@Krunoslav Well, I am of a mind that we can discern the authorial intent of biblical authors, even if this sometimes takes quite a bit of work. I am very much against, then, current postmodern ideas of reading such texts. So, I think there are right and wrong interpretations, although sometimes, due to our ignorance, we might have to admit that there are some interpretations that are more or less likely to be correct. At any rate, to offer some of the elaboration you suggested, the Old Testament doesn't begin with the Exodus, as I'm sure you know, but rather with the story of God's creation of the universe and of man, of man's fall into sin, and then of God's promise of redemption. It is this history of redemption, with its promises that point ultimately to the future, that the Old Testament is really about. The theme of freedom and of the role of the law in ancient Israel as described by J. Rufus Fears is there, but it is a sort of sub-theme within that larger story. After all, the role that Israel was to play was a predominantly religious one rather than a political one anyway. Yes, their role as a nation and a political entity was real, but it was tied to this larger purpose, together with the promise of a Messiah who was to come and to usher in a future kingdom ultimately bringing about a New Heavens and New Earth (as the prophet Isaiah describes it). Perhaps Fears would agree with what I've said, though. I don't know without a larger context for the quote above.
The Catholic church is the largest non-government landowner in the world. [google.com]
timon_phocas comments on Mar 31, 2021:
Stands to reason. They've been accumulating property for two thousand years.
KeithThroop replies on Mar 31, 2021:
Hmm... I guess that depends upon what one means when he speaks of "the Catholic Church." The article offers a picture of the Vatican with a label referencing "the Roman Catholic Church," which, as we know it today, is really a medieval development.
“Trusted” news has become propaganda ”The left’s intentional substitution of propaganda...
timon_phocas comments on Mar 30, 2021:
Howdy @Garsco, Nice summary. Sad implications. I guess we have no other options but to create our own institutions and media.
KeithThroop replies on Mar 30, 2021:
Yep! And, thankfully, that is beginning to happen more and more.
Do you believe that in 2024 we will have the youngest 17-18 Latino voters in the history of the ...
Daveclark5 comments on Mar 29, 2021:
That may be true. However, there is one thing the Leftists have forgotten:they are counting on loyalty from those they brought over illegally. The cure for deceit is truth. They are being used. We could learn from Sun Tzu. Know your enemy and know yourself. In this case you should also know the tool...
KeithThroop replies on Mar 30, 2021:
Last night Steve Turley made a similar point. He noted that California is a good example of what happens initially when many illegal Latino immigrants come in and vote Democrat, but Florida is an example of what happens when they have been here long enough to really understand what the Democrats are about and start voting Republican. I'm not yet entirely sure what I think about that analogy, but it certainly seems to make some sense.
SHOCKING VIDEO: Black Female Teens Charged with MURDER of Uber Eats Driver [youtube.com]
HistoryCorner comments on Mar 29, 2021:
People are beginning to hope that the perp is white when something happens. Because if the perp is a POC, no anger or outrage is allowed.
KeithThroop replies on Mar 30, 2021:
You hit the nail on the head there.
CNN Refers To The Carjacking MURDER Of Asian Man As An "Accident" [youtube.com]
HistoryCorner comments on Mar 29, 2021:
Ridiculous! Tragic! And I promise you it's a deliberate cover up
KeithThroop replies on Mar 30, 2021:
Right on.
Apparently, there are two kinds of wisdom recognized in the bible: Godly wisdom and worldly wisdom.
timon_phocas comments on Mar 29, 2021:
In the book of Proverbs, written by Solomon, wisdom could be defined as skill in the art of living. But that included reverential fear of God.
KeithThroop replies on Mar 29, 2021:
@eschatologyguy Amen again!
Apparently, there are two kinds of wisdom recognized in the bible: Godly wisdom and worldly wisdom.
KeithThroop comments on Mar 29, 2021:
I don't think the problem Solomon had was that he failed to specify the right kind of wisdom in his prayer to God. As with most people who ask God for wisdom, he of course wanted the kind of wisdom that God alone can give, which is most definitely not worldly wisdom. The account of his prayer and ...
KeithThroop replies on Mar 29, 2021:
@eschatologyguy Amen! Well said, brother!
Apparently, there are two kinds of wisdom recognized in the bible: Godly wisdom and worldly wisdom.
timon_phocas comments on Mar 29, 2021:
In the book of Proverbs, written by Solomon, wisdom could be defined as skill in the art of living. But that included reverential fear of God.
KeithThroop replies on Mar 29, 2021:
@eschatologyguy These are indeed very encouraging and challenging words from our Lord Jesus: > "Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature? 28 So why do you worry about clothing? **Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; 29 and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?** (Matt. 6:25-30 NKJ, bold emphasis mine) The point in mentioning Solomon's extravagant clothing was, of course, to demonstrate that even the best of clothing that men may make, or that we may attain, will never be better than the beauty that God gives even to the flowers of the field. So, rather than worry or trust in our own feeble human efforts, we should trust Him to provide since He is the one who really has the power to give us what we need.
Michael Knowles Has Been CANCELED [youtube.com]
DaveO276 comments on Mar 29, 2021:
When Harry's becomes Megan's!
KeithThroop replies on Mar 29, 2021:
It's really too bad because I really like Harry's Razors, which I have used for a few years now. Maybe I'll have to move to Dollar Shave Club.
Isis fighters in Southern Africa. [m.youtube.com]
timon_phocas comments on Mar 28, 2021:
Howdy @JennaGardner, Thank you for news I don't otherwise get to see.
KeithThroop replies on Mar 28, 2021:
Same here.
Video: Biden Hints At Plan To Outlaw/Abolish GOP: “I Have No Idea if There will Be a Republican ...
DaveO276 comments on Mar 27, 2021:
I wonder how much of this SCOTUS could and would block if it came to it. Otherwise, the senate filibuster is USA's last hope for the constitutional republic with democratic institutions that is the USA!
KeithThroop replies on Mar 27, 2021:
Sadly, SCOTUS has shown itself to be a very cowardly bunch in 2020.
Copied from Jack Niewold, who states the truth plainly here: Joe Biden's presser yesterday was a...
DaveO276 comments on Mar 27, 2021:
I guess Kamala has about as much of a conscious awareness of reality as can be expected from someone that far left... but I guess a lot of her denial of reality comes more from seeking power than from lack of awareness. I honestly don't know which one is more scary!
KeithThroop replies on Mar 27, 2021:
Yes. It is a dilemma.
Biden Press Conference a MAJOR DISASTER as His Approval Rating FALLS Again [youtube.
w0tn0t comments on Mar 26, 2021:
Biden is an embarrassment WORLDWIDE! He waffled, deflected & had to rely on notes - first time for any president! Its a disgrace!
KeithThroop replies on Mar 26, 2021:
Right on.
At first I thought this was an obituary
coalburned comments on Mar 26, 2021:
I love Chuck Norris memes!
KeithThroop replies on Mar 26, 2021:
Me too!
Why can god kill people It also says a life for a life God would not kill the innocent.
eschatologyguy comments on Mar 24, 2021:
The Lex Taliones or the law of "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" was not instituted to promote retribution, but to circumscribe or to limit how far retribution can go. For those who trust God's judgment, there is "Vengeance is mine, I will recompense".
KeithThroop replies on Mar 24, 2021:
That is correct.
I am all for the second amendment 1000% However, I wish we stop calling it a “God” given right.
tracycoyle comments on Mar 24, 2021:
A 'constitutional right', which does not exist, is a legalism that can be taken away by legalism. Our right to defend ourselves is an INHERENT right that precedes and is superior to, a constitutional "right". Remember, the 2nd Amendment is a prohibition on government, not a grant of liberty to ...
KeithThroop replies on Mar 24, 2021:
@Edgework Right.
It's only a crime if they do it, right Liz?
KeithThroop comments on Mar 24, 2021:
Why is the wall color in the picture on the right completely different that the wall color in the picture on the left? And where is the expected edge of the brown cabinet? It may be that the object on the right is a duplicate of the object in the circle on the left, but these are pictures of two ...
KeithThroop replies on Mar 24, 2021:
@Geofrank Not necessarily. But if the point of the meme was to try to make it look like what was on the right was actually in the picture on the left, then it was an attempt at deception. At any rate, the point in posting it certainly seemed to be to demonstrate hypocrisy on the part of Warren.
Some of you know what this is about. A salute to Destroyer sailors!
CookieMonster comments on Mar 20, 2021:
All navy imo. My late father was an anti-aircraft gunner on a frigate at Dunkirk, he was invalided out when blown up running over German mines in the Thames estuary in a MPB. The size of the heart matters more than the size of the boat.
KeithThroop replies on Mar 20, 2021:
Yes, frigate and destroyer sailors are usually referred to as Tin Can Sailors.
CNN the 'lefty news network' reportedly losing millions of viewers since Trump exit [youtube.com]
SpikeTalon comments on Mar 20, 2021:
Good, serves them right for being dishonest.
KeithThroop replies on Mar 20, 2021:
Ditto.
[washingtonexaminer.
timon_phocas comments on Mar 18, 2021:
Isn't that a photo of ltCol Vindeman?
KeithThroop replies on Mar 18, 2021:
It sure looks like him.
Pentagon makes up diversity “nonsense” to attack Tucker Carlson: Joel Pollak with Ezra Levant - ...
timon_phocas comments on Mar 18, 2021:
Howdy @WorldSigh, There are few times I've ever been ashamed of my Marine Corps. This is one. The Corps kept its silence on political issues for 245 years. It was silent when it was ill used and dismissed. We always let battlefield results do our talking for us. That's principle, not policy....
KeithThroop replies on Mar 18, 2021:
I don't blame all the Marines because of the actions of a few. πŸ˜‰
I got 10 points. How about you?
KeithThroop comments on Mar 17, 2021:
5 out of twenty here.
KeithThroop replies on Mar 17, 2021:
@eschatologyguy Well, I'm not going to say which five they were, but most were in my BC days.
PARLER IS BACK! Chief Policy Officer Amy Peikoff Explains Their Survival [youtube.com]
RitBorg comments on Mar 17, 2021:
I wonder when Facebook and google are going to remove Facebook from the app stores since people on FB and Twitter have spread and invited the blm violence that has swept the country for about a year?
KeithThroop replies on Mar 17, 2021:
Good point.
So I realized something, when you argue the sinfulness of LGBTQ lifestyle, if they don’t try to ...
KeithThroop comments on Mar 14, 2021:
I have spent most of my life in various churches, and I have never been in one that doesn't teach against all of these sins. And, as a matter of fact, they hardly ever raise the issue of homosexuality by itself as a sin. If they raise it, it is usually in the context of discussing other sins ...
KeithThroop replies on Mar 14, 2021:
@tracycoyle Yes. And in public preaching we speak of various sins when they are mentioned in the passage being preached, or, perhaps, if they are examples that suit the passage. This means that the sin of homosexuality isn't really mentioned that often, but sins like pride, selfishness, idolatry, covetousness, or greed may crop up quite a bit. The only times a person's name might be mentioned would be if there were a prominent false teacher who was proving influential. For example, I have occasionally, albeit rarely, mentioned someone such as Kenneth Copeland as a person to avoid. I suppose if there were a prominent false teacher who was trying to publicly argue that homosexuality is actually a Biblical thing, I might publicly address it, but probably not, since such a person would most likely not even be known by people in my church. In such situations, however, I focus on the doctrine rather than the person. I deal with whatever teaching is false. In other words, I deal with what other professing Christians are saying publicly if need be.
So I realized something, when you argue the sinfulness of LGBTQ lifestyle, if they don’t try to ...
KeithThroop comments on Mar 14, 2021:
I have spent most of my life in various churches, and I have never been in one that doesn't teach against all of these sins. And, as a matter of fact, they hardly ever raise the issue of homosexuality by itself as a sin. If they raise it, it is usually in the context of discussing other sins ...
KeithThroop replies on Mar 14, 2021:
@tracycoyle The only time a person has ever been singled out was when a person sought to promote a particular sin within the church, at least in my experience. So, for example, when a man in our church cheated on his wife and refused to repent but instead ran off with the other woman, we named him before the church when we removed him from membership. On another occasion, a young man "came out" on Facebook, writing a lengthy series of public posts that sought to defend his homosexual behavior from the Bible. Had he not gone public in this manner, seeking to persuade others, including those in our church, of the rightness of his behavior, there would have been no need to address it publicly. I did not respond on Facebook, but I wrote a lengthy email to him, responding in details to his arguments point by point, which I copied to the members of the church. The goal was not to try to humiliate the young man publicly but rather to help him and to protect the church from what we believe to be an error. Typically, we never call anyone out publicly for anything that they themselves haven't already made public.
There is a call for a legal ban on conversion therapy. Do you support it?
Tom81 comments on Mar 11, 2021:
If you ban 'conversion therapy' because it doesn't work and teaches people to hate themselves, then shouldn't we also ban all the 'critical race/gender/sexuality theory' groups for the same reason? Personally I don't believe any of them do anything but harm and create further division, whilst the ...
KeithThroop replies on Mar 12, 2021:
@Naomi Yes, I have met a few like him over the years. For example, one has been happily married to a woman for over 30 years, with three very fine children. She knows about his past and about his struggles with homosexual lust, and they work together to confront it, just as other couples do with respect to the lust they may often experience for members of the opposite sex to whom they are not married. The truth is that, as Christians, we are all sinners saved by grace and who ought to have compassion for our fellow Christians as we all still battle our owns sins and seek to overcome them with God's help. In this regard, we pretty much treat all sinful sexual lust the same, even if in some cases the temptations are more difficult than in others (such as in the case of some who struggle with homosexual lust and some who might be considered sex addicts). Those who see no problem at all with such lust and do not embrace the Biblical teaching on such matters find other churches to attend that do not follow the Bible on these issues either.
There is a call for a legal ban on conversion therapy. Do you support it?
KeithThroop comments on Mar 11, 2021:
As a Christian I do not support the ban because I believe that homosexuality is sinful and that people who convert to Christianity can expect to be delivered from it. For those who still struggle with this sin after conversion -- as all Christians tend to struggle with some sin or other -- we would ...
KeithThroop replies on Mar 12, 2021:
@Tom81 You've brought up a number of issues in your comment, so I will have to try to address them one by one as best I can. > ... it was legal to marry underage, hence you had cases in the US where an 60+ year old could have a shot gun marriage to a 14 year old and avoid being charged with statuary rape and yes they were 'Christian'. And the 'Christian' lobby groups fought hard against changing laws to prohibit underage 'marriage'... Still, backing up what Hanno said, many excuse that since the Bible (or whatever religious text they read) doesn't say anything about it... As I noted in my comment to Hanno above, the Bible teaches that sex was only to be between a man and a woman who were married, and thus who would have been of marriageable age, and that it was thus clear that sex with a child would not be allowed and would be sinful. After all, any sex outside such marriage was viewed as sinful. This is why both Jews and Christians never allowed what we would call pedophilia, even when many people in the surrounding cultures actually practiced it. So, it isn't exactly true to say that the Bible "doesn't say anything about it" when everything the Bible teaches about sex and marriage rules it out. But you raise another issue here, which is how we should determine *when someone should be considered an adult and therefore of a marriageable age*. The Bible teaches that marriage should be between a man and a woman, and it has language, both in the Hebrew Old Testament and in the Greek New Testament, to distinguish between a man and boy and a woman and a girl. So, when it speaks of marriage only between a man and a woman, it not only rules out marriage between two men or two women (which is another issue altogether), but it also rules out marriage to a boy or to a girl. Now, it does not explicitly state precisely when one is considered to have reached adulthood and thus to have become a man or a woman versus a boy or a girl, but, given that one of the primary reasons in the Bible for marriage and a sexual relationship within marriage is procreation, it would require at least that males and females be old enough to have children and to responsibly raise them, typically with the help of grandparents and other family member with whom they lived in very close proximity. There is quite a bit in the Bible, by the way, about what it means to responsibly raise a child and the type of maturity it requires. So, at what age would that be? Could individuals be as young as 14 or 16 years old and carry out these responsibilities? In earlier times, when much more was typically expected of the young, when they were expected to grow up fast, especially at times when the average life expectancy might only be about 40 years of age, many thought that 14 years old was ...
There is a call for a legal ban on conversion therapy. Do you support it?
KeithThroop comments on Mar 11, 2021:
As a Christian I do not support the ban because I believe that homosexuality is sinful and that people who convert to Christianity can expect to be delivered from it. For those who still struggle with this sin after conversion -- as all Christians tend to struggle with some sin or other -- we would ...
KeithThroop replies on Mar 11, 2021:
@Hanno It sure is nice to have candid, civilized discussions about important and contentious issues.
I would like to know if any Christian has any information regarding the origins of the human soul.
JamesBartholomew comments on Mar 11, 2021:
As a boy I asked questions like this one... many times. I was never satisfied with what I was told. Answers by inference are sufficient I suppose. They are opinions but a good opinion is at least an attempt to fathom a mystery. And I think too "why does it matter?" I read. I study... In the end ...
KeithThroop replies on Mar 11, 2021:
@JamesBartholomew I see no reason to respond to most of your recent comment. We are on the opposite ends of almost every point, and I don't see us getting anywhere. I will, however, respond to these remarks: > I am enjoying out exchange but we must meet as equals. Kindly refrain from speaking to me as though I were a heathen in some wild land. I would never suggest to you that "there was hope for you". To do so would be insulting to your intelligence. I think you exaggerate quite a bit when you take my good-natured remark (hence the grinning face emoji 😁 ) that "It makes me think there is some hope for you after all" as my viewing you as though you were "a heathen in some wild land." All it does is view you as someone who disagrees with me and who I hope may someday come to agree with me on an issue that I believe to be a crucial one. Had you made a similar comment to me, I would not have taken it as an insult to my intelligence at all, only your own good-natured hope that I would see things more clearly myself from your perspective. Anyway, I think you misunderstood me there, either due to my own lack of clear communication of my intentions or to your taking my remarks the wrong way, so I have tried to clarify my statement. It may be that you still think it is condescending, but I know that it isn't, unless it is condescending to wish others would agree with you on a matter that you think would be good for them. Anyway, I wish you well. May God bless you. :)
There is a call for a legal ban on conversion therapy. Do you support it?
KeithThroop comments on Mar 11, 2021:
As a Christian I do not support the ban because I believe that homosexuality is sinful and that people who convert to Christianity can expect to be delivered from it. For those who still struggle with this sin after conversion -- as all Christians tend to struggle with some sin or other -- we would ...
KeithThroop replies on Mar 11, 2021:
@Hanno I appreciate your response, especially since you are trying to be polite while also being direct. I assure you that I appreciate both politeness and directness. I will try to do the same with just a few short responses. > I know it is a very big step to realise and understand that β€œsin” is merely something people made up and it was whatever people at the time thought was needed for the society and encoded it as β€œgod’s word” so people would follow it. Given your own background, as you indicate in the start of your comment, you will not be surprised to find that I strongly disagree with this assessment. I see the fact that so many societies historically have seen homosexuality as wrong as an indication that they were made in the image of God and therefore have consciences that convict them of its wrongness. And, as you no doubt already know, Christians do not believe that the Bible is simply "made up" but that it was given to us through prophets inspired by the same God who created us. At any rate, you and I are never going to agree on that issue, I suspect. Hopefully we can still be friends here on the forum. :) > For example the bible NEVER say slavery is a sin. Or having sex with a child. That tells you a lot of what your bible is worth when it prescribes what sin is. Many more examples, however I am not going to go into that now. I just want you to think about it. You have brought up two issues, the first of which oversimplifies the issue as it is portrayed in the Bible and the context in which it was practiced and discussed in the Bible. It therefore mischaracterizes it. And your presentation of the second issue misunderstands the Bible on the matter. The first issue is the Bible's teaching on slavery. What needs to be understood here is that the slavery accepted in ancient Hebrew culture was really akin to what we in our past would have described as *indentured servitude*. The exception to this would have been occasions in which enemies captured in war were enslaved, but even then there were strict rules about how they were to be humanely treated. For a brief overview, see here: https://carm.org/slavery/slavery-in-the-bible-is-not-the-same-as-the-chattel-slavery-of-america/ By the way, it is no accident that the Abolitionist movement in America was led by Christians who saw the evil and hypocrisy of many other professing Christian slave owners and condemned it. In fact, as I am sure you know, the Abolitionist movements in both England and America were led by sincere and staunch Christians who, although some would still have allowed indentured servitude, could not countenance what they saw happening precisely because they saw it as going against the teaching of the Bible properly understood. The second claim you made was ...
There is a call for a legal ban on conversion therapy. Do you support it?
KeithThroop comments on Mar 11, 2021:
As a Christian I do not support the ban because I believe that homosexuality is sinful and that people who convert to Christianity can expect to be delivered from it. For those who still struggle with this sin after conversion -- as all Christians tend to struggle with some sin or other -- we would ...
KeithThroop replies on Mar 11, 2021:
@Naomi Right, we should never "force" anyone to do anything. From my perspective, we simply share what we believe to be true and why we believe it to be true, and we let people make up their own minds.
I would like to know if any Christian has any information regarding the origins of the human soul.
JamesBartholomew comments on Mar 11, 2021:
As a boy I asked questions like this one... many times. I was never satisfied with what I was told. Answers by inference are sufficient I suppose. They are opinions but a good opinion is at least an attempt to fathom a mystery. And I think too "why does it matter?" I read. I study... In the end ...
KeithThroop replies on Mar 11, 2021:
@JamesBartholomew You are probably right about many philosophers these days seeing truth as more fluid, to use your earlier terminology. But there are, of course, exceptions to this among Christian philosophers, both past and present. I am glad to hear, however, that you hold to Intelligent Design. It makes me think there is some hope for you after all. 😁 I've known many Theistic Evolutionists over the years, as you can imagine. However, almost everyone in the churches with which I am identified (Reformed Baptist) would hold to a form of strict Creationism (either Young Earth or Old Earth), but some would hold to Progressive Creationism (a minority view). In the church I serve, any of the three Creationist views would be acceptable, but we would not allow the teaching of Theistic Evolution, even if we would accept those who hold to it, and who are otherwise orthodox, as brothers and sisters in the faith.
I would like to know if any Christian has any information regarding the origins of the human soul.
JamesBartholomew comments on Mar 11, 2021:
As a boy I asked questions like this one... many times. I was never satisfied with what I was told. Answers by inference are sufficient I suppose. They are opinions but a good opinion is at least an attempt to fathom a mystery. And I think too "why does it matter?" I read. I study... In the end ...
KeithThroop replies on Mar 11, 2021:
@JamesBartholomew I think you would be surprised to discover just how little Baptists pastors are actually treated as authorities. But, that would also depend in part on the type of Baptists we're talking about, I suppose. πŸ€” As for the "fluidity of truth," I'm guessing that is a notion we will *never* agree on. πŸ˜‰
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