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Brainstorm request – how does Identity Politics work.

Can anyone think of a metaphor or analogy to help explain it? In the recent discussion between Douglas Murray and Lionel Shriver, she says “It’s about seeing your powerlessness as your power. … Weakness is power. Disadvantage is advantage.”

Disadvantage becoming an advantage. How does this work and why does it spread? I was thinking that an analogy might help. What is it comparable to?

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Prissy self-centered entitled victim-hood blaming whatever strikes your fancy, as long as you don't have to take responsibility for your own life or actually do anything worthwhile or grow up at all.

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Thanks to everyone who replied, lots of good stuff to ponder. Victimhood culture relies on normal human sympathy but takes it to a whole new level. It requires minimal effort – maybe what people are doing is (consciously or not) “trying the easy way first to get my way”. It depends on the social or cultural environment not actively discouraging it.

I’m still baffled by “weakness is power” so please reply if you think of an analogy that could help even if weeks or months have gone by after this was posted.

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simple divide and conquer.

it is as basic as what school teams you support and adopt.

jordan peterson has some good discussions on tribalism.

we are constantly prodded by intelligence algorithms modified by human dictates to seperate us out at the sorting pens in the poll districts and shopping bazaars

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Alinsky's Rules for Radicals #11

"If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside."

"The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative." "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."

The target is conventional western culture, a lot of which is good such as work ethics, family, stability, law and order, etc. but racism or more correctly classism has always been a part of the mix. The negative connotations that came to be popularly associate with White, Anglo, Saxon, Protestant, or WASP may very well be the first significant instant of what would become known as political correctness and identity politics in the U.S. Sometime in the mid 1960s WASP became a popular slang term and was part of a movement towards a more egalitarian population if not in fact then in sympathies.

To freeze the target all you have to do is appeal to the natural sympathy people have for victims of injustice.

To personalize the injustice you make the target identify with his or her race or other characteristics that they don't share with the "oppressed". Constant repetition is the key here. It doesn't have to be rational for someone to be labeled as an oppressor they just need to feel not a part of the oppressed.

Identity politics is all about polarization. You can't be a little bit white, or male for example. The fact that being white and male does not make you an oppressor is irrelevant. The trick is to get people to think in opposites. Oppressed oppressor are polar. If you are not a part of the identity groups defined as oppressed you are an oppressor and will at some level feel guilt. In effect that is how a little known senator Barack Obama became president. White guilt overcame "common sense".

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Individualism is a substantial aspect of modern western ideology and tribalism is a substantial aspect of evolutionary psychology. Identity politics allows the individualization of tribal ideology. It's internally logically consistent and rationalizingly attractive to the emotional realization that neither fairness dogma nor the blank slate theory are consistent with reality.

govols Level 8 Feb 4, 2020
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In my humble opinion it is very simple.

Black people runs faster than me. Rather than agreeing that they are superior to me in running and stand back and appreciate them running and do my own little running on the side and be grateful I can run even if slowly, I am now upset because no black is better than me and I want to be EQUAL dammit!

So I do not go and train harder to be a better runner (that takes effort). I much rather claim that the whole athletics thing is racist and created by black superiority racists who only want to oppress me with their athleticism.

So all blacks are athleticists and we really need more diversity at the Olympics and stop picking the fastest runners but rather select contestants on more important aspects such as presenting all 78 genders.

This is so much fairer... don’t you think?
Oh I am sorry.... don’t you feel?

Hanno Level 8 Feb 4, 2020

While they are at their 'make things more inclusive' BS...maybe they should fight for more short people in Basketball and more skinny people in Sumo wrestling because...inclusivity.

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"If you kill your enemies, they win"~Sockboy. I just see mental heath issues when I hear nonsense like this.

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IMO, it works because it is what I call a comfortable lie. It feels good to say you’re a victim and it feels good when other people join hands with you and “celebrate” your collective victimhood. It feels even better if you can all find the same oppressor to thump. But the lie is that this “victimhood” is somehow special—different from all the others’—so that it brings with it Entitlement. So, with the addition of Entitlement, you now are Righteous and Virtuous in your suffering. You have achieved martyrdom. And everyone must now bow down to you. Or else.

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I dunno, but I've had this phrase for decades that I call "victim mentality", where individuals who for some reason feel they aren't getting the attention they crave, start behaving like a victim of circumstances or oppression, of course beyond their control, or due to someone else's actions or words, because some attention - even persecution - is better than being ignored. One of my sons used to behave like this, and to some extent still does. In mitigation, he does have Aspergers syndrome, which during his schooling years result in him being picked on and bullied, because the bullies were adept at doing things that "pushed his buttons" and gave them a great sideshow.
I've seen examples of this in other people, including those who don't have a clinical reason, but are just narcissistic.

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There is a stoic quote "the obstical becomes the way". Diversity is what drives people, without obsticals we become stagnant. Like the butterfly that dies after you help it out of it's cucon we need struggle to grow and evolve into what comes next.

That is all I will get into here... I just spent the last several hours putting down some thoughts that I feel would be a great response to this but it's a bit long. I was planing on making a post about it on my own group that I would be happy to link to if there is interest.

Oxfret Level 7 Feb 4, 2020

It is a bit convoluted for a direct response to the question asked since I wrote it before I saw this post, hopefully it seems relevant to anyone who cares to look.

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