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Agreed, sadly. His comparison is too extreme, but on the correct line.

It matters not what's in his heart of hearts...when Trump takes the beast of racial tropes for a walk without regard for the hate it stirs, the scars it tears open, it's still unbecoming of POTUS and harmful to our nation. Lesser people do it, i know. And a pox on them as well. If kids are kicking a dog, does the adult then kick the dog?
POTUS must take a higher ground!!! What he says and does will be emulated by more people than any other person in the US.

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ObiRonMoldy 7 Aug 14
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If you are to come to that conclusion, then you must also come to the conclusion the constant drum beat if “concentration camps” lead to Dayton.

Son of Sam heard a dog tell him to kill and he barked as he slaughtered people.
Was it the dogs constant barking that we blame?
The interpretations of a mad man are no metric to use in a cause and effect comparison.

For one, OP didn't mention El Paso. But for the sake of argument, I'll overlook that and concede that wielding the rhetoric of war against marginalized people is the same as calling out the state tyranny of "concentration camps." Even then it's a leap. Are you implying that the bar that the Dayton shooter attacked was a secret ICE facility or what?

@WilyRickWiles
No. I am speaking of the ice facility in Washington the Antifa terrorist attacked.
So. I get it.
You rationalize the Dayton shooter and demonize the el passo shooter while pretending the congressional shooting and ice detention center fireboming never happened.
Talk about partisan.
I claim they are all done by madmen, not the object of their obsession.

@Cheetolini I'll concede that those two are more analogous than Dayton, in terms of political violence. But it's one thing to direct hyperbolic, inciting language at people and another to direct accurate but charged language at a tyrannical state institution.

@Cheetolini I disagree that they were madmen, but what does it matter? Does that make their actions more random? We surely don't accuse Islamic terrorism of being random and free of ideology and organization.

@WilyRickWiles
Do we blame twerking videos for rape?

@ObiRonMoldy
Ahh but you misunderstand my whole point.
I’m arguing that your premise is bullshit, and that they all do it because they are nutballs. No one “makes” you commit mass murder. If you can do that type of evil, it’s already in you.
To wit, you defended your nutballs and demonized mine.
What you don’t get, is their aren’t a “my” nutballs. They are all nutballs.
Your argument is no different than saying Jody Foster made Hinkley shoot Reagan. It was all of those sexy dresses. She enticed him. Hell, who wouldn’t....... it’s her fault.

@ObiRonMoldy
My bad. I thought this was Willy. Got my conversations switched.
Let me restate. The actions of a mad man can’t be blamed on anyone but the madman.
He may have used some of the same words, but he also claimed he had the thoughts and beliefs years before trump even ran, and knew the media would blame the potus.
If you are to take his words at face value in the case of repetition of the potus’s words, you must also take his disclaimer at face value.
Modeling is only as effective as the reverse engineering statistician can show correlation and pretend it to be causation. Nostradamus “science”.

@ObiRonMoldy
Either that or you believe video games caused it. Correlation among them all. They all liked bubble gum too, and had eaten at Taco Bell within the month.
Twisted sister and Def Leppard caused the violence In The 80’s and Elvis’s hips destroyed teenage chastity.

@ObiRonMoldy
Oh please. Call me a racist. Have fun with that.
I hate all racism. Regardless of the color of skin of the racist.
Pretend everything the POTUS says is racist. No one has defended the words, we have debunked your characterization. Over and over. We know you know what he has said has nothing to do with race, but you repeat them anyway. When debunked, the left waits three news cycles and pretends all over.
Tell me about the Michael brown murder now. You know, hands up don’t shoot?
Defend his statements?
Naw. He’s a brash asshole who gives a speech like a jello plated Tourette’s laden flap jack.
But I won’t pretend anything he has said is racist either.
Because I listen to whole speeches and read entire transcripts rather than wait for my favorite bubble-lord to dictate what was said, what it means, and how I should feel about it.
The implicit shame doesn’t work any more. The tacit attempts to plate everyone as racist who chooses him is pathetic, and the moral preening is vomitus.

How long can you continue to call half the population homophobic, misogynistic, transphobic, islamophobic, anti-immigrant, anti-Semitic, unredeemable, deplorable, Racist Nazi dregs of society, and still expect us to vote for you?

@ObiRonMoldy
Odd. Because your “Trump made me do it” explanation suggested as much. And no, I didn’t vote for a figurehead. I voted for someone to do my bidding. I don’t follow the president, I command them via vote.
So far, he is acting on the issues I chose him for.
Which are .......
The same issues that made me vote for Obama.
But the left forgets that.
#walkaway
I did.

@ObiRonMoldy
I would agree on most of what you said, but I wouldn’t finger him as the divisive figure in the game.
The screaming started before he even raised his hand, and the frothing wrenching of garments and gnashing of teeth hasn’t let up since. The blatant division comes from those unwilling to be shamed into accepting others dogma anymore vs those who are convinced the second coming of Hitler has arisen.
I’m pro choice, pro gun, pro border, pro pot, pro freedom.
I’m not a blind follower, but I’m not a single issue voter either. I’m a classical liberal. Or a pre Garry Johnson moderate libertarian.
A brash asshole narcissist? Yup. He is that. But then, what person who thinks they can be the leader of the free world is not. Most don’t openly admit it, he says what’s in his mind. His tweets? I don’t even bother because they aren’t meant for me. They are troll bait and exquisitely perform their intended function. To make the other side say what they really think, rather than subtile digs, jabs and innuendo.
He ripped the scab off and we get to see the nasty puss filled boil of disgusting assholes Washington truly is.
The way he treats them is the way they treat each other behind closed doors.
Sunshine is the best disinfectant.
The next election is a choice between the boisterous Carpenter Uncle that embarrasses himself at thanksgiving but can build a hell of a house, and Cloward-Piven socialism/communism.
The choice isn’t even hard for me.

Thom Hartman (rabid socialist and Mensa Member) makes a good case for the two party system.
The more choices the less representation.
If 10 candidates are in the race, a person could win with 10+1 percent of the vote. Ten percent of the population will control the destiny of the other 90%.
South Africa straight democracy proved this.
A minority of voters voted in communist rule, and changed their constitution.

@Cheetolini Two things no one is doing: 1. Claiming Trump or the right CAUSED incidents of violence like El Paso, 2. Claiming Trump or the right INVENTED racism. They are simply propagating a pre-existing ideology that historically has been used to justify violence against marginalized people. A reasonable person would cut back because 1. It's hateful and 2. It has the possibility of increasing the likelihood of vigilante violence. Can you really not see the difference between a dehumanizing ideology and Elvis, video games, or human rights advocacy? Trump and the people on Fox News spend so much time on these talking points because propaganda works--it influences people, creatures divisions, and shapes the discourse. Presumably, they are OK with the collateral damage. Many are not, which is why Trump has had such a hard time staffing his administration, and why most of the usual suspects don't back him up on TV.

@WilyRickWiles
Your assumption I’m a Fox News consumer says everything we need to know. The parenting of all the talking points, to the word, of repetitious neurolinguistic programing confirms it has served its purpose well.
Progressives have been screaming impeach, resist, and Hitler since before he even raised his hand. I’m sure you agree. Live in the glow of your self confirmation biased bubble. Throw self righteous shame at someone who gives a crap. I stopped caring what progressives thought when I left the pussyhat brigade.
Him cut back? Like the left is going to stop if he does?
Naw. If you blame the ‘toxic political environment’ on the right, you justify the left’s bat shot crazy.
Pretend “he made me do it” all you want but the reprehensible posturing and finger pointing from the left started 10:30 election night, and it won’t stop even after he wins a second term. Scream resist from the rooftops. I’ll just sit here and laugh at the buzz word laden crap you justify it with.

@Cheetolini As long as we agree that the left criticizing Trump is not morally equivalent to dehumanizing people.

@WilyRickWiles
I wouldn’t know. I’m a deplorable, unredeemable, Nazi dregs of society kinda heterosexual old white man acording to the left. The pinochle Of shame as the master oppressor of all who “don’t look like me” as I have been told repeatedly by my trusted beloved press.

@Cheetolini Does everything reduce to your internalization of racists being called out?

@Cheetolini Are you this guy? [twitter.com]

@WilyRickWiles
Only when those I debate reduce everything to race.
My comment wasn’t about race. Unless sex, gender identity, and age are races too.
Your comment was that the left doesn’t dehumanize.
I’m not only calling bullshit, but I’m throwing 5 Pinocchio’s up at that.
That is the entire argument from the left. Bigotry.

Intersectionality, the base dogma of the left.
Using immutable characteristics to determine moral status. Identity is everything on the left.
If you don’t see what the left does as dehumanizing, then you agree with their bigotry.

@WilyRickWiles
As for Twitter.
I don’t twit.

@Cheetolini Intersectionality, from the person who invented it: [vox.com]

@WilyRickWiles
Invented ?
Hahahahahhh
No. Coined the term.
Intersectionality is an offshoot from 1960’s liberation theology.
Perhaps you would look at historical perspective rather than rely on than ‘Vox.
The THEORY uses all manners of immutable characteristics to determine a person as immoral (oppressor) and righteous (victim).
It is quite literally the definition of bigotry and racism, and touted as justice.

@Cheetolini It is a term that she coined to describe the theory in her research.

@Cheetolini If you read the article, or at least sought out commentary from her, you'd know the difference between the caricature in your head and what her theory actually meant.

@WilyRickWiles
I have read that very article many times for reference. I mischaracterize nothing.
Intersectionality makes judgments about entire segments of population based on immutable characteristics Iand was started as an addendum to liberation theology to add levels of oppression to one’s identity based on added parameters.
It was started as an addendum to liberation theology when modern feminism complained that black women are more oppressed than black men. It then morphed into a Nazi like categorization of the human condition.
The belief that a person can be judged as morally INFERIOR (oppressor) based solely on their skin color, age, sex, gender identity, religion, or nationality is the textbook definition of bigotry, and racism, depending on the metric you choose to label with.

That the left can’t see this is staggering.

@WilyRickWiles

@Cheetolini I give up. I imagine to you the Constitutional concept of equality before the law is a Nazi/communist/Muslim conspiracy.

@WilyRickWiles
You should give up.
EQUALITY is foremost in my thoughts constantly. Always.

The demand for forced EQUITY sans risk and responsibility is the socialist Nazi collectivist dogma preached by those who prefer a centralized dictator handing out their cheese, rather than making it themselves.

The left doesn’t know the difference.

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I found it striking to read Trump's comments below on his political precursor Pat Buchanan. Though, given Trump's prior history of racism, I think this momentary "wokeness" was motivated by jealousy (Trump had been competing against him for the Reform Party Presidential nomination).

From Media Matters: "In 2000, he [Buchanan] won the Reform Party’s nomination. At the time, Donald Trump said of Buchanan: “He's a Hitler lover. I guess he's an anti-Semite. He doesn't like the blacks. He doesn't like the gays. It's just incredible that anybody could embrace this guy.” In 2016, Buchanan said that “Trump has raised the very issues I raised in the early nineties.” Trump has flip-flopped on Buchanan, praising him for being “way ahead of your time!” and quoting him on immigration."

@ObiRonMoldy I was using it in the way that the right does to describe anyone who criticises someone else's racism.

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The bigger issue is the nosy ass neighbor who spreads rumors that the adult kicked the baby, knowing damn well the adult barely spanked the baby, as a form of discipline...

@ObiRonMoldy see...now the adult is being accused of doing something they didnt do.

@ObiRonMoldy He was being accused of racism from the start..which is the only reason he's able to use it for political gain.

@ObiRonMoldy Just because you say they are racist statements, doesnt make it a fact...although claiming that he has made racist statements is what is causing the most damage.

@ObiRonMoldy The outrage iisnt Trump's fault though, it's being stirred up by the corrupt beings within our government.

@ObiRonMoldy what is the most racially provocative statement has he made?

@ObiRonMoldy

@ObiRonMoldy you wouldnt have taken that as a racial provocative tweet if the media wouldnt have given you that narrative

@ObiRonMoldy lol the spin was in the title of all the articles. So unless you came across the original tweet before any of the reports. the damage had already been done..

What do you mean when "you" tell a minority.... "I" didnt tell a minority anything. Trump all though did tell them to "go back", he also told them to "come back". Doesnt seem too provocative to me..

@ObiRonMoldy It doesn't feel provocative to you likely because you've never been on the receiving end of racial prejudice.

So that would make it more of an opinion, rather than a definitive truth..? believe it or not I have deff experienced what you would consider racial prejudice, but like most other white males, have been conditioned to believe that Im not allowed to be the victim.

@ObiRonMoldy have you by chance ever witnessed someone shake their head and say "fuckin' white people..."?

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