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Beware of the Trolls Alert - Every now and then we all run into one of these, appealing to a group for help, then causing confusion, self doubt and conflicts within the targeted group. Thought it would be a good topic to talk about, for both those who do not know what Trolling is and for those that do, to share how to deal with it, or at least recognize the signs and minimize its effects. Here's a starting link:
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purdyday 8 June 14
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I see the Facebook is going to develop its own crypto coin. Wouldn’t it be stellar if Zuck could link it to some sort of micro transmitter thingy with maybe a # or signal of some sort that would enable his followers or fans to like, recognize each other and engage in commerce?? This could be really grand and convenient. Maybe he should run for a suitable office like I dunno, PrimeZ.

Facebook World, sounds like a winner! Robert Heinlein could be the Great Deity....L Ron Hubbard's already taken 😉

are we aware that he plans to give 99% of fb holdings away to charity... never said a specific charity besides some towards education system...

What is his wifes maiden name? like being at a time where groups as MGTOW are being formed due to the realization of women having the upper hand due to manipulation and a bias family court sytem..we should believe all women, especially during a time of privacy concerns relating to protection of ones data. we don't want to end up under the same social credit system as China. Atleast half of facebook shares belong to Mrs. Zuckerbeg, which may give us a better chance for all our data to stay within the hands of the U.S. seeing as how they refuse to agree in individual ownership over ones data and info.. all she has to say is #Metoo and shes set

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Don't feed the trolls = only works if everyone adheres to the principle. Everyone NEVER adheres to the principle. And, I've seen trolls prop themselves up with multiple member ids. You ignore the 'troll' member id, but then you start engaging one you think is legitimate and you're pulled back into full interaction. I talked to one straight up once. Said it was fun. He entertained himself trolling.

I've had some success turning all of my attention to the trolls and giving them everything they want until they get tired of it. Trolls do NOT like being trolled. But then, you're not doing what you want to be doing either.

JP's purported workaround--making every post 50 word minimum. It will be interesting to see what happens--probably only eliminates a small number of trolls--NOT the type you're talking about who derives satisfaction from dividing a site they actually don't want to be part of.

chuckpo Level 8 June 14, 2019

True.

I'm not sure about it. Word count filters quips and stupid comments, but also a lot of other potentially useful observations and questions.

@govols, that's a good point. Humor and similar mechanisms often oil the machine of social engagement.

Also, short agreement posts like this one.

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Ok here is an example, you are interested in the topic (and do not have a sore scrolling finger/thumb @govols 😀) and because you are not sure of what the poster is trying to say, you offer what it is you hear them saying, as a way of engagement. They respond back with not only more confusing and contradictory information about what they "Really" meant, but also an implied insult....sound familiar to anyone? I agree, in part, that for some its just playing or boredom as someone else mentioned, but for some there is an agenda behind it, such as what occurred with the popular poster recently booted from this site, who along with others fell victim to these types of tactics. As the saying goes, fore warned is fore armed. And for those not interested in subject or already Troll savvy, there's always the scroll option, just saying .

At another place I know a poster who must have recently learned about Socrates. She wound up being assigned the name The Vortex because of her constant leading questions trying to get you to contradict or disprove your on ideas. It fun to watch her get a hold on a new victim because she's pretty good at it if her victim is trying to honestly engage, but just like with Socrates, most people wound up eventually wanting her dead.

@govols I find myself doing the same thing, but not not make the person feel as though they are stupid or that their thoughts don't matter, but to help them make the decision on their own to look at a situation from a different angle. Although I try being as subtle as possible

@govols wait a min, i just recently posted quotes from Socrates, does that put me on the Vortex spectrum, does that mean people want me dead...am I going to DIE?!

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The aggressive trolls use the mechanisms of narcissists and sociopaths: dehumanization, objectification, and invalidation. It makes me wonder how they behave in their real life. The article suggests that Online Disinhibition Effect may fuel trolls. I found an interesting article regarding the effect and it differentiates between the toxic and benign categories. You should take a look at it.

[truecenterpublishing.com]

Would but links requiring a file download, no offense but will pass. Unless you can share the source site?

@purdyday I don't understand why it requires a download because I didn't have to do that....I'll look into it.

@purdyday I edited my original post to include another article by the same researcher about ODE. Let me know if that one works.

@Halligan Thank you, that article provides a lot of material to ponder. The disinhibited/inhibition continuum....could even help me with understanding the basics such as, why text messaging seems to increasingly be the new norm over voice calls... when texting is harder work, imo

So I guess in my limited understanding of it is; are we more disposed to sharing who we truly are, are we less disposed to sharing who we truly are, or a combination of both where we try to work out our issues in comparitive safety of perceived anonymity, lol.....ok I have a headache now! 😀

@purdyday I know, right? There's a lot to think about.

@purdyday pertaining to the text vs voice call comment, I would think the akward silence occuring when ones asked questions or when they want the call to be over, but don't know how to bring it to an end. once text messaging became a thing. it made social skills almost non exsistent. with the convenience of being able to pick and choose when to respond, to short simple conversations... makes people resort to using default responses when interacting in public.
Very benefical for the psychic community, they've almost been able to cut their tarot card decks all the way down to just a few cards

@DesireNoDesires Right! Am thinking of going into psychid readings myself, thats how good at mind reading I have become, lol

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But isn’t that what a culture war is?
Pretending your position is morally superior, while demonizing any opposition as you plead for answers to contrived existentialism?

That is an undeniable incentive for some, but not everyone who joins a social media site is a part of the 'woke' culture. And there is no harm is pointing out potentially malicious behavior exhibited by some of those users either, to those engaging in good faith for the sake of honest debate

@purdyday
I’m in a discussion at the moment where the poster asked for advice concerning a paper on a VAT tax. I listed my reasoning for thinking it was a bad idea, and apparently it was insulting for me to disagree as the last statement claimed I “just want to argue”.
I have no problem with this type it f trolling, because anyone with a basic sense of third grade debate tactics can see that the person is pouting because I didn’t embrace their unicorn with open arms.
I believe these exchanges are very beneficial for the “audience” in exposing lofty poorly thought out ideas promulgated as “fix all’s” for perceived “injustice”.

I live for the troll. Until they become abusive, then I walk.
Those who stay on for the browbeating don’t garner much sympathy from me.
If you feel someone is being abusive, walk on.
Just my two cents.

@Cheetolini exactly and as you say walking is the best option, two cents well taken.

@Cheetolini I alot of times will argue against my personal views in an attempt to both challenge the solidness, while also showing that tey cannot assume for example, that a person isnt able to be bothe pro-gun and pro-choice. Also if possible make an example showing that there usually more than just the 2 options we are present to us when discussion takes place on certain issues

@DesireNoDesires
Indeed. I’m pro choice (politically, not personally) for the same reason I’m anti forced vaccination. Either the human body is sovereign or it’s not.
I reserve the right to call abortion barbaric disregard for human life, but I’m not going to force anyone else at the point of a gun (law) not to get one.
It is not necessary to compromise principles for a team pennant.
I don’t consider my principles in any form hypocritical. For it is someone else’s preconceived notions of what I should believe that are in question, not my principle.
What I find disturbing is the hypocrisy of principle. Watching those in the left give up basic pillars of “liberalism” for this new religion called “Progressivism”.
The belief that my skin color makes me an oppressor (immoral connotation), that the bedroom isn’t private but rather a portion of my identity that must be worn on my sleeve to garner sympathy and status points, that self preservation of one’s own life is the duty and sole right of the authority of government entities, that responsibility for correcting one’s bad choices is the commons and should be paid for by the rich, that responsibility for one’s own health should be paid for by the collective .......
Collective.
The party of the once unbending rugged individual has become the party of the collective hive with a cast system based on bigotry and victimhood.
I’m still a liberal. Liberalism is no longer liberal. They changed the definition, but then, that’s what the leftist “revolutionary” does. Change the meaning of words to sell what they otherwise couldn’t.
Put the word “Democratic” in front of socialism, so people don’t understand it is forced government control of the means of production and distribution. Add a unicorn, a rainbow, and a crapload of fluffy three word buzz phrases, and they will think it’s something new.

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My biggest problem with people online is the ones with whom I share no apparent interest. They sometimes make my scrolling finger sore.

govols Level 8 June 14, 2019

Awww that's so sad, you poor thing!

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Thank you Purdy Day, there's some that should read this post.

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