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I Don't Care Much about the Antifa kids getting snatched by DHS. But How much should I?

I apologize, ahead of time for my lack of berevity.

There is a lot of heat online about how libertarians are hypocrites for not causing a ruckus about DHS agents pulling up in unmarked cars and snatching Antifa ding dongs. I understand the reasoning. But I disagree.

Why I don’t care: My two main reasons why I don’t care is that (presumably) the little turds getting yanked off the streets are these bratty ancoms who’s entire political tactic is destroy, steal or squat on private property and to police the thoughts and opinions of innocent people.

The entire political perspective is bullshit and is completely based on dismantling the social structures that libertarians and anarchists depend on to uphold society without laws.

I think they’re full of shit. They’re destroying privacy and private property. They’re little fucking fascists who are trying to tear down society. And I have no sympathy for them.

Honestly, I would be lying if I told you I didn’t chuckle a little seeing acne-faced fascist suburban white kids in ninja cosplay getting yoinked off the streets with no ability to even struggle, let alone fight. God they’re pretty pitiful when they aren’t in a crowd.

They have a right to be a little shit as much as they want. But not when they destroy other people’s property or infringe on others rights.

Also, the government isn’t hiding who they are. If they were, they wouldn’t have identifying uniforms to conduct these seizures.

I never liked Trump. I think his nationalism is bullshit. I honestly don’t think he knows what nationalism is. I think the left wing media called him that and he was like,”why’s that sound so bad?” But I definitely don’t think he’s a nazi. That’s laughable. And many will disagree but I honestly trust the guy.

This is how he’s conducted business elsewhere, that has helped us reduce troops overseas and negotiate horrible trade deals. He doesn’t go to war with big casualties. He uses blunt, often abrasive diplomacy combined with the market and any resource they tell him he can utilize. I believe that this is his low key work-around to all out civil war and physically fighting the other side. I think it’s part of how he’s been openly operating up to this point.

I believe they’re trying to get a case on anTifa, hopefully they already do, but they are rounding up worst offenders, so they can get a better picture and act on it.

Why I do care:

It reeks of nationalism and state police. It seems like something that could easily go stray quick. It empowers the DHS. (But with defunding of local police, isn’t that the end result)

On principle, I fucking hate DHS. I think it should be abolished and has done nothing for our country except make us more unsafe by creating an environment of fear and paranoia.

The unmarked vehicle thing is sketchy. But it obviously allows them surprise on a decentralized that has successfully evaded being identified.

I don’t like the apprehensions. Where are the warrants? Where are they taken? Are they being interrogated? Are they being tortured? Are they shipping them to Guantanamo? Seriously.

Shouldn’t they be publishing their names and letting the public know where they are?

What is everyone’s thoughts on this?

RyanLSumner 5 July 19
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I'm with you on a LOT of this. Pimply faced brownshirts wearing black as a disguise getting picked up, I have trouble caring. However, this would not be a good precedent at all. Even the swoop in and release 90 minutes later we've seen is over the top, just not good.

On the other hand, Tim Pool discussed how it looks like when cops picked up informants from occupy, got intel then released. The short hold times corroborate that but still ... how would we know until it's too late?

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Because of the violence of the rioters towards law enforcement defending the federal courthouse [foxnews.com] the feds needed a strategy to protect law enforcement and the people they wanted to question. [npr.org]. The rioters were attacking and damaging marked vehicles so I think it was smart to use unmarked vehicles, not that it is the reason they did it. The people they picked up were brought back to the courthouse to be questioned and either processed or released using standard policing procedures. Trying to arrest people in a violent mob is going to result in injuries on all sides. Waiting for the mob to dissipate and pick them up quietly is more likely to result in no injuries on either side.

debb1eb Level 4 July 21, 2020

Do You have any source for what was done to the people that were picked up?

@RyanLSumner here is the link I included in my post. [npr.org]

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Where did you get the information re: "a roundup of Antifa"???
I would think the MSM would be all over this type of activity by the FEDs!!!!!

Serg97 Level 8 July 19, 2020

I guess you’re not paying attention to the news…

@RyanLSumner I don't watch MSM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But since my comment, I have heard of it, I am sure more of the story will come out!!! For now I will wait for a reliable sources!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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"I never liked Trump. I think his nationalism is bullshit. I honestly don’t think he knows what nationalism is"

so this sentence begs the question: What @ryanlsumner do YOU think Nationalism is.
give us YOUR own definition - opinion on "nationalism" and then we can talk about Trump on that topic.

iThink Level 9 July 19, 2020

Honestly this must be some sort of pet semantic topic for you. I don’t really care to get bogged down in some thing that has nothing to do with what my essential question is.

Should we not be concerned or alarmed at federal agents in unmarked vehicles snatching and citizens off the streets?

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I do not like Antifa and I do not like the police state that we live in. But for the damn media to pile on any kind of cops because they hurt Antifa and any other damn communist trouble makers and destroyers is plain and simple propaganda in favor Antifa. The same media do pile on when they arrest non-masker wearers, do they? So my post was not in favor of the police state but against coddling spoiled brats for any reason.

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Practically every moron who depends on someone else to tell them what to think, and listens to the socialists only too happy to tell them, believes the propaganda that Trump is evil. It is up to us to gently, lovingly ridicule these gullible Utopian idealists. Now is the time. The American and European Left are openly showing who they are, which is tending to leave their devoted followers shaken. Time to bear down on them.

No gentle leader could have withstood the withering and illegal inquisition by the American Left. The very strength and toughness of character is what they attack as "character flaw," which is actually the only effective defense against their uncivility.

Ok... How does this relate to the subject of my post: the semi-covert apprehension of private citizens by DHS?

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