I appreciate the comparison between feminism and MGTOW, and the validity of the comparison makes sense to me. Both tend to be isolating, dividing and defensive. So I will align myself with neither.

I remember when the MGTOW idea was first being formed in the early 2000's. It's around the same time the toxic ideology of intersectionality was published. MGTOW seemed kind of strange to me but that odd stuff got whittled off. You did not have todays YouTube yet with gobs of MGTOW content. You had forums that would routinely self-destruct. So, a lot of those early conversation are lost.

Common topics were how women operated, the non-PC version that will get you banned. And toxic feminism, why is it toxic and why you would be better off staying away from feminist. Sometimes mitigation strategies. And travel and other stuff.

Toxic masculinity is one of many pejorative terms used by feminist to generate guilt and shame. Toxic masculinity implies ALL men are toxic and poisonous destroying everyone's reputation, don't accept it. Feminist or SJW's do a lot of projection, the main issue here is toxic feminism, an ideology.

Feminist methodology to develop and refine ideas is fatally flawed. They are highly consensus oriented and they cannot accept negative criticism. They go to extreme lengths to eliminate any criticism.

1995 Peter Thiel the diversity myth on college campuses,

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In the mid 2000's I realized PC feminist were somehow fundamentally religious, they seemed to be exploiting the same mechanisms as religion.

2008 Mencius Moldbug's Letter To Open Minded Progressives - The Cathedral

If you have never heard of Moldbug watch the YouTube below.

So now you know where the battle lines are at in our current political battle.

Butch Leghorn, The Three Estates of the Realm - Explains what progressives, conservatives and libertarians want, and why, all without ideology or psychology, purely with biology and evolution. What Butch is describing is how a familiar fundamental religious structure is operating. The structure is called the Trinity and like an iPhone few know how it works.

Feminism/SJW ideology is effectively religion and at times more like a religious cult. I define a cult as all hard-core emotional manipulation and little conscientiously though out philosophy. Young women are indoctrinated into this religion by default in public education. A mentally unstable unbalanced women will project their madness onto the world, today it comes out as misogamy, rape, patriarchy, etc. In the distant past under Christian indoctrination it would be the devil, demonic possession, angels, etc.

As an SJW my primal unconscious urges justify my actions and it’s unlawful to question any assumed privilege or feeling I have. The goal of this is the abdication of responsibility, the tool is guilt and shame manipulation, the method is destroying the reputation of conscientious men or women who take responsibility and tell the truth

Elisabeth Warren claimed she is American Indian to get privilege points and preferential treatment, this was common for feminist to do in the 80’s, it’s cultural appropriation of the worst kind. It was strongly disliked by real American Indians but there was little they could do about it. Elisabeth Warren was using the racial spoils system to get advantage. There was a sort of Indian craze in the 70’s, being an Indian was hip, see Cher album photo.

Ally or Allies seems to be the current term SJWs may identify themselves with. As people figure out who they are and what they are about they will change their label. People don’t like SJW’s and SJW don’t want any negative emotions. SJW’s do want more victim status with privileges that are illegal to question. SJW ideology is functions on passion and empathy so there is no need to be logically consistent.

Single women are the SJW or Ally core, therefore abortion is a far bigger issue with SJW’s, they need women to stay single. The key psychological hack is to hijack the maternal mother child relationship, redirecting it to political causes. As long as there is passion and empathy it really does not matter how lunatic the cause is.