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I’ve supported Donald Trump. Period. Notwithstanding all the surface flaws so passionately broadcast daily by the media and the Never-Trumpers, I voted for him for one main reason. While I hoped he might accomplish some of what he promised, the one thing I knew long before he came down the escalator is that he was NOT what we were accustomed to. I looked at the avowed certainty of another Bush/Clinton match-up and rolled the dice: “Please, Lord, anything but that.” I was happy beyond words on election night. For once, the script had not been followed. The whole country had just gone off-book and improvisation was the name of the game.

We’ve seen the efforts to “correct” this historical “mistake,” to reimpose the script we were meant to follow and it has come as no surprise. Spying? Yeah, why not? Phony prosecutions? No surprise there. Frame-ups? Looks like it. Criminals running the whole damn show? Didn’t we always know?

And yet, in the midst of all this self-congratulatory joy at seeing the plot unravel, we’ve stood passively by while the entire country was hijacked in plain view. Once again we let it happen; this time the process took two months instead of 50 years, but the results have been spectacular.

It never needed to happen. The one sound argument for lockdown—avoid overwhelming the medical system to the point of collapse—was shown quite early to be baseless. Social distancing, masks, the whole lockdown, never saved a single life, nor was it meant to. Aside from avoiding a nonexistent threat to hospitals’ ability to function, it simply postponed the inevitable. If you haven’t gotten it yet, you probably will, and the chances are you won’t even notice. The data (hello—science?) was telling us this long ago, certainly before 100,000 business were forced to close for good.

Trump was played. The nation was played. The real story of this disaster will be identifying the process that turned a legitimate medical concern into a political hit-job on the country... and why we let it happen. If Birx and Fauci don’t have the integrity to stand up and admit that they mislead us, then it will fall to those still attached, however tenuously, to the idea of objective truth. That’s been in short supply.

We’ll never get it from the media, or the factions secretly cheering not only the reversal of Donald Trump’s accomplishments, but the impending destruction of the country. It’s going to take Trump telling the truth, publicly throwing out the script once more, and calling out those responsible. You know... all those things that got him elected in the first place.

[redstate.com]

Edgework 8 May 24
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I voted for Trump only because of China and of course Hillary, ironic how that turned out 🙂

I started preparing for the pandemic back in January because one thing the fascist government of China is not known for is respect for human rights and by extension human life. You could argue that the CCP's response was out of proportion to the threat but I don't buy that. They were desperate to keep their factories open even if that meant sacrificing half of Wuhan.

The only problem I see with the lockdown is it lasted too long. If we had a competent government two to three weeks would have been plenty of time to protect the vulnerable.

The evidence suggests that the severity of Covid 19 is tied to viral dose. That changes the whole logic behind social distancing. The goal is not to prevent infection but reduce viral dose.

We will not know for a couple years how deadly this virus is. Even then it can only be estimated roughly from excess mortality. With that in mind I see the lockdown as a test of our emergency management system that was long overdue. People should be taking stock of how poorly we preformed.

The military is not the only federal defense responsibility. I'm the West we have a seven month good reserve. A vulnerable distribution system and widespread complacency. As agriculture, storage and transportation are the foundation of civilization I would think we would be concerned.

wolfhnd Level 8 May 24, 2020

How many TIMES do we vote A rather than B? Let us NOT have B, or H. So, yes, T. Someone who was American.
Definitely. Brash, outspoken, unpredictable, oh, do accurate, at times.

Trump's not a science or medical person so likely doesn't understand it. As many doctors too.
Their training is mostly for big pharma or money for hospitals.

Could you stand the pressure he's under?
Sure beats Communist Canada's Justin Trudeau. We're in very big trouble.

@2FollowHim

I'm more of a Trump supporter now. I really don't care about the aesthetic sensibilities of the effeminate or their cucks.

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After reviewing the data and details on the Hong Kong flu that hit the globe in 1968, I concur with all of your comments. That flu virus was so similar to the current one it's like deja vu`. Back then, I was 17-years old and getting ready to graduate high school in '69. That virus killed over 2 million people and there were mentions and updates but the world didn't jump off a cliff. During this "pandemic" the public carried on as usual. Does anyone here remember the summer of Woodstock? Well, that was during this time too. We all knew to stay home if you're sick and try to not spread germs. We learned that in school and at home. It's not rocket science. And we have been played.
I am too old to start living in fear or to let fear be the motivation for my choices.

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AMEN!

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Spot on. I too had suspucions from day one for the call to shutdown the economy without batting an eyelid. It went too smooth, almost as if on cue. The call had all the markings of desperate Dems trying a hail mary before 2020 to bring Trump under dis-repute since Trump was not going to do that for them. The Dems face planted on every desperate attempt to bring Trump down before this "plan"demic and so it is beyond me why so many peeps cannot see Demoncratic goings on with this latest attempt to arrest Trump's bid for 2020.

@NonAgrssvMight

Can you explain to me how the Republicans have control of the Executive, Congress, and the Senate and the Dems created a plandemic? What markings did the Dems leave that make you think the world wide pandemic was plotted by Democrats?

Yeah, the Dems are lost, but this conspiracy plandemic shite is just too much. there was a pandemic, we over reacted, and now we move on. Better to over react than under react.

@FOTD13 except the Dems and their MSM lapdogs did nothing but callout Trump for being "racist" and a "xenophobe" when he identified the threat early on. Then 2 months later they all jump on the bandwagon, as if on cue, to callout Trump for not acting fast enough to stem the tide. It is 100% partisan games for these evil elect that have anything but the welfare of the country at heart.

I did not mean to insinuate the Dems conjured up COVID, as yes it is definitely an engineered flu strain that China needs to be hekd accountable for releasing upon the world at large, either with ontent or due to reckless practices. But the Dems sure wasted no time hopping on the "shutdown the economy" train, even when it wasn't warranted and continue to stifle plans to get things opened back up because it suits the agenda they have been lead by, since 2016, to plant Trump into the ground.

And there are many Republicans who should be ashamed to call themselves ones. You are correct, when Trump won 2016 and the Repubs had the house and the senate they should have made greater strides to turn too many successive years of BS PC leadership around. Instead Trump has been left to fight this continual evil slide to the left with very little support.

@FOTD13 If by Congress you mean the House of Representatives the Republicans do not have control of Congress. It might not be any less partisan if they did but they don't.

@FOTD13 The shutdowns happened at the state and local levels not the federal government. I don't think they "planned it" but definitely took advantage of it. However there was a plandemic at the global level by the elites that support a global government. They influenced the bureaucratic medical experts with exaggerated at best, falsified at worst, data into convincing governments that the only way to survive this virus was to shut everything down. The hapless and cowardly politicians just went along. Here is the official plan that they are pushing for.
[sustainabledevelopment.un.org]
This is the translation of what it really means.
[technocracy.news]

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@Edgework
"Social distancing, masks, the whole lockdown, never saved a single life," How do you know that the precautions we took didn't save any lives? Empirical evidence please. The thing is, people had to make tough calls for something that we had never seen, and the people in charge opted for safety, and I am glad they did. We are a great country and we will come back strong. This is an opportunity to get out of China and bring manufacturing back to America. Fill the factories with the unemployed and get out of China.

FOTD13 Level 7 May 24, 2020

It’s called common sense.

Lockdowns keep you away from exposure. They do nothing to provide immunity. At some point, you will emerge into the light of day. At which point, you will risk exposure.

No one pushed lockdowns as a way to save lives. They were supposed to slow the SPREAD. Now the narrative has changed to “we have to wait for a vaccine!”

The bottom line is the disease, and it’s risks, have been wildly over estimated. Any rationale for resorting to such extreme measures was exploded as soon as testing showed that the infection had spread farther, and faster, than had been expected. And most didn’t know.

[dcwhispers.com]

@Edgework

I am sure you are highly intellegent, but you offer no emperical evidence to support your hyperbolic claim that no lives were saved. Again, this was new to everyone, so scientists and public officials erred on the side of caution and we the people flattened the curve. Go America!

Now let me ask, if the predictions that the doctors made about the virus were too low and we were overwhelmed because the hospitals couldn't handle the influx of cases because the information they recieved was off, would you be angry at the doctors? If so it sounds like you wouldn't be happy with any outcome. I think we overreacted, which is a good thing in a global pandemic. We also got lucky.

And just to clear things up, what rights have you lost for the past seven weeks that are more important than public safety? Follow up, which of these rights will you not be getting back?

Thanks

@FOTD13 gas lighting? Causation/correlation fallacy. No evidence that lockdown worked. No evidence on how virulent the strain is. No evidence on infection rates. You are willing to accept blindly in the goodness of government.

@FOTD13
Please tell me you’re not asking me to prove a negative.

@Thomas1970 @Edgework

I accept the advice of medical experts because I am not one. I would never trust the government on faith, ever. No evidence the lockdown didn't work.

And Edgework I see you didn't resopnd to the end of my post:

And just to clear things up, what rights have you lost for the past seven weeks that are more important than public safety? Follow up, which of these rights will you not be getting back?

@FOTD13 your logic is flawed and contradictory. I suggest you examine your statement more closely...until then, there really is no conversation here.

There is no empirical evidence on either side. Our medical "experts" are bureaucrats and do not have on the ground evidence that their advice has been beneficial as evidenced by their constantly changing advice. The models they based their initial advice to lockdown to prevent an overrun of our health system were faulty. When the overrun did not happen they moved the goal posts to continue the lockdown even though there was no empirical evidence that it was necessary. Why should I trust their conclusions when they have been wrong in every instance? There are many other experts that have working knowledge of what is happening and that totally disagree with the bureaucratic "experts". Why are they not to be believed instead of government employees that have been proven wrong? There is no proof that lock downs, social distancing and masks are necessary for public safety. It is just a guess. In fact as more information is coming out about infectivity, overall death rate, what causes the severe illness in some individuals, etc. it appears that the actions taken have had/will have no significant effect on public safety.

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Exactly correct. Thank you.

Phil777 Level 6 May 24, 2020
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Excellent post. Trump is a living breathing example of someone who fully and completely achieved the American Dream. We now know that the American Dream was never supposed to be anything more than a carrot and the stick situation. He got the carrot and the political elite are so pissed off that they will do anything to make sure that this never happens again.

They have always controlled us through taxation, regulation, etc. But we now know, because it is right out in the open, that the Left controls everything and they despise anything that resembles traditional American values. The REAL premise of the USA controlled by the Left WAS to project the illusion of a democracy (what we call a constitutional republic) and they are not even hiding the fact now that we are headed for full on socialism.

Leftism is a cancer that is eating away at our way of life at an accelerated rate. Governments only last 200-250 years historically and we are right there. We are going to see this country go socialist in our lifetime.

RAZE Level 7 May 24, 2020

@RAZE

You say the left controls everything but the right currently controls the Executive and the House and almost the Supreme Court. So, no the left doesn't control everything. Professional politicians who are owned by corporate America control everything. Partisan bickering is a slight of hand to keep your eyes off of the real dealings going on in the swamp. If they keep us divided we will fall and we will have complete control from the Federal government both left and right. Which at the end of the day there is no left and right, just money grubbing power hungry career politicians. Please stop with the us vs. them. It is killing this country.

"Trump is a living breathing example of someone who fully and completely achieved the American Dream."

Really? Born with a silver spoon, draft dodger, who lost the popular vote to become president is the American dream? I like some of what he is done, but he is hardly an example of the American dream. I think Jimmy Carter is a much better example. Naval Academy graduate, Navy officer, farmer, forced to live in public housing with his family until he turned the farm around, taught Sunday school, and was a Deacon at his church.

@FOTD13 You know you are dealing with a Leftist when they precisely describe the opposite of reality. 'Educating liberals' and debating them is a lost cause. Thank you for providing another example of what I describe.

@RAZE
Please explain which part of my post is the opposite of reality. These are only facts Donald Trump was born into money, he did dodge the draft, and he did lose the popular vote. These are all facts.

Jimmy Carter went to the Naval Academy, was in the Navy, did live in assisted housing, was a farmer, and he taught Sunday school and was a Deacon in his church.

Your response to my post is obtuse and lacking any examples to back up your claim that I described "the opposite of reality". I am assuming you consider yourself right wing. And the right has been screaming "Fake News!" since Donald taught y'all how to say it. But here you are expounding fake news. Snowflake.

And I am not a liberal.

@FOTD13 Again, the right does not control the House, but more importantly they have a stranglehold on the 'narrative' in academia and the media. Facts may be only something to manipulate with such things as statistical analyses and computer modeling and selective censorship but truth cannot be modeled. It can only be lived and known.

@FOTD13 Correction ; my error. I should have said the LEFT has a stranglehold on the narrative. The hurrieder I go the behinder I get. Sorry.

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