Like your logic…
Western media is bad so Russian media must be good!
Lol.

Thats not what he said in his Post

@iThink

That is actually exactly what he said.

He reads Sputnik and RT and they are good….however at least he questions if he knows enough to believe them.
Western media is known to be bad.

If you read his other posts he mostly reports on what Russian media and supporters tell him.

So true, I made some deductions from that.

All true. The media is not to be trusted. So let us work on freeing Julian Assange. The information He produced was factually correct and that is why He is in jail. I trust Seymour Hersh. John Pilger There are other journalists worth following but the Western Media is corrupt beyond saving. There are also the Edward Snowdon's , whistle blowers!

TY

The Duran, and col McGregor also great sources. And AZ Geopolitics on telegram as well.

@Krunoslav Eva Bartlett has come out with some good stuff too, and judging by the smear piece's coming from mainstream sources (eg check her wiki), she must be fairly over the mark

@Krunoslav Thx.

@Arty, @Tom81,

They are all Russian shills…. Lol.
Just like WaPo and NYT are Democrat / WEF shills.

Don’t even mention Krunoslav here that is paid to post propaganda.

They are ALL paid to create content.

All you have to do is to ask some challenging questions and see how they all fall apart. Done that with Krunoslav and it is clear he has no idea what he is talking about.

We don’t know much by design.

The only people you can start to consider as “neutral” would be people for example Dr Campbell on COVID or Russell Brand on whatever he is discussing.

Good luck finding out what’s actually happening in Ukraine.
I have been searching for a year and only know that I don’t know.

@Tom81 @Arty Yes. True. Eva does good work, for sure. On the ground.

Another great source is Telegram channel by Maria Dubovikova.
Independent political analyst and expert in information warfare.

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@Hanno You are still alive? lol . I thought Mr. fact ate you for lunch. How did you survive the barrage of truths since the last time? Man, you really are a lucky stiff.

By the way. What's your home address? I should send you a T-shirt that says; I found a Russian Spy and all I got was this lousy T-shirt. lol

"Good luck finding out what’s actually happening in Ukraine.
I have been searching for a year and only know that I don’t know."

That's because you only have two brain cells. The minimum requirement is at least three. Now, go get yourself some brain cells and try again.

@Hanno I don't think Krunoslav or anyone that's lived through the Soviet block era is 'shilling' for Russia. The sources we quoted aren't Russia, paid for by Russia etc. By your logic, anyone that listens to pro-Ukrainian sources is a Globalist/UN/NATO/WEF/US-Dem admin 'shill'.
No, I think anyone that's been following closely what's taken place in Ukraine (particularly since the 2014 Euromaidan) and has an understanding of how US backed regime changes and 'colour revolutions' have been orchestrated in countries surrounding Russia, has a different take on the situation. Are we 'pro-Russia/Putin'? Maybe, by default given the options. No one wants a Soros/WEF installed government in their country, and at least Russia is fighting back. If Russia succumbs, there'll be nothing stopping smaller countries from being swallowed up by the same.
Do we think Russia is great and worthy of emulation? No, but they're a smaller threat and an enemy of our enemies.

@Krunoslav
Lol yes!
Still alive…

And no, never called you a spy. That would imply you have some kind of skill.
No, you are just a lonely boy sitting in his little apartment posting and repeating what you are told to by others.
You are a useful idiot. Never been outside Croatia or had any real experience of the real world, yet speaks with confidence about things you don’t understand.

I am still waiting to hear any facts from you that is not already known by anyone or which is not easily proven false.
Still have not seen any logical discussion from you with anyone.

It is because i have more than two brain cells that I am able to understand when I am lied to , and laugh at people who tell you MSM is wrong, but then go and believe other media like sheep.

@Tom81

Hi Tom, there is a difference between reading, listening or believing something vs actively promoting or producing information.

So no, my logic is not believing something makes you a shill for that. It is the producing and promoting information that make you a shill for that agenda.

Then you need to consider that the vast majority of non-Russians (including Ukrainians) who lived through Soviet era in the Soviet block, would much rather be part of WEF influenced EU than any Russian block.
There is a reason why Finland, Lithuania, Estonia etc and now Ukraine would rather fight terrible wars than be part of Russia again or be in their influence sphere.

We need respect those decisions. Even if you disagree with it.
Sacrificing Ukraine to Russia will not stop the WEF.

@Hanno ah, but the Ukrainians were sold on false dreams of wealth and prosperity if they joined the EU and rejected Russia. Their lives got no better though.
The other countries you mentioned were already a part of that, so they didn't have anything to gain or lose. If anything, since EU imposed sanctions on Russia, their quality of life has gone down.
As for the WEF - it's just an updated, modern day (Chinese model) of the Soviet system. The difference is surface level. And I doubt most countries want it as it works against their own interests.
You can disagree with the stance Krunoslav takes, but he is closer to those non-Russian Europeans than we are, and has a better idea of their sentiment (including access to various national and local news sources that we in the Pacific regions don't). So let's not make the mistake of assuming what or how people on the other side of the world think or feel. Personally, I saw a ton of open anti EU/UN/Globalist sentiment in Europe last time I traveled through there around 10 years ago.

@Tom81

Hi Tom. No, the other countries were not part of that. Finland was part of Russia and grabbed independence when available and had to fight a brutal civil war and then several wars against Russia to stay that way.

Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania was part of USSR and grabbed independence when offered. They will all fight to retain that.
All of the above countries citizens lives greatly improved when they gained independence and the following two decades after that.
For them this was no false dream.

Poland, Hungary all greatly improved once removed from the east block.

Ukrainians were in fact getting better between 1994 and 2008.
It was due to Russian and US interference that things got worse.
Pre 2014 Ukraine was on the way up.
The Russian invasion and sponsored civil war ended that. Not closer ties to EU.

Things are worse everywhere due to the war and sanctions. Not just in those countries. This is caused by the Russian invasion, not by being part of NATO or EU.
Peoples lives were not getting worse before 2014, other than the expected effects of 2008 global slowdown etc.

Have you ever had an in depth discussion with Krunoslav? Asked him what he actually know and who actually met and spoke to?
No, I know more people from the old east bloc than him, and likely you also know more than him.
Krunoslav does not post any news from “local news sources we don’t have access to”.
When you question him on that he responds with insults. That tells you what you need to know.

I am married to a Fin and regularly go there. I have Ukrainian and Lithuanian friends and know Lithuanians. Of course there are pro-Russian minorities everywhere, however the vast majority do not want to be part of Russia sphere again.

I have worked with a lot of Russians and east Europeans in my life. Of course I do not claim to understand them, however. I can clearly see why Ukraine may like Russians individuals, but do not want to be part or that world again.

I also saw a lot of anti-EU/UN sentiment in Europe , however no pro-Russian sentiment either. These are minorities.

Sacrificing Ukraine won’t miraculously stop the WEF.
We need to stop the WEF in our own countries by ourselves..

@Hanno ok, you've posted lot's of valid points. Lot's of shit to address and I don't want to write a 20 page opus so I'll break down things into dot points so it's shorter (even if it's more disjointed). In no particular order:

• When I was referring to surrounding countries in my earlier post (I e. Finland, Estonia, Latvia etc), I meant for the post Soviet union era. So anything I mentioned about other other countries was post-Soviet block.
• I know each country has had it's own different experience/history and outcome, which also shapes its view of the current situation (and I take into account the war between Finland and Russia) - but it's also important to take changes into account and differentiate the regime/politics of a country from it's culture and historic context. The Germans are no longer fascist despite the small amount of history that they were; likewise the Russians aren't communist like they once were (for a small amount of their history). And likewise, the West isn't that 'demicratic' or 'liberal' as they once were.
• Free countries and autonomy - do you really think people in Ukraine wanted Zelensky? He's a US installed puppet. How free is that? Zelensky has cracked down on anyone and everyone that criticizes his regime and banned opposition political parties - do you think the Ukrainians voted for that? Doesn't sound like a free/independent country to me. Doesn't sound like freedom at all.
• Don't know about your beef with Kruno. I don't agree with everything he says, but I think he has a good knowledge of history and a good grasp of what is going on now. But we all have our 'enemies' on this site. Most of mine have blocked me (weak), except for the main leftist agitation propaganda poster on this site that I frequently argue with.
  We all call each other names when we get frustrated (and that includes 'russian prop shill/troll' ). Whatever though, sometimes things just get heated.
• There's a big difference between expats, people who visit and travel through countries - and people who live there permanently. For example, my parents were born and lived in Poland till their mid 20's. They still watch the Polish news and speak to relos there - but they are well out of touch with the younger generations there and what's really going on. If I try to point out the modern day socialist/communist types they're surrounded by, they just don't see it because their idea of what communists are is what they saw 40+ years ago. Unless they see a Soviet uniform, it ain't communist. Unless they see a Nazi uniform, it ain't Nazi. They just don't see parallels in behavior and ideology.
• You see this as a war between Russia and Ukraine - and the rest of Europe. I'm going to guess you think that Russia wants ALL of Ukraine and then probs more of Europe? Not saying you think that, just guessing that's your line of thought. Personally, I think Russia just wants a trade route, a warm water port and economic domination through it's natural resources of gas and oil. I also get why Russia doesn't want to be surrounded by hostile NATO/UN nations - (which western nation would tolerate the same?).
• Sacrificing Ukraine won't stop the WEF, but destroying Russia will do what other than directly help the WEF? Ukraine and Russia already had an agreement (the Minsk agreement) - which Ukraine broke at the behest of West. Ukraine and Russia were set to enter peace agreements - which were cancelled at the behest of the West. And now the majority of Ukraine is being sold to Western corporations (like blackrock) - make no mistake, this isn't Russia vs Ukraine. It's a US proxy war against Russia, all for resources and trade route access.
• I'm not pro-Putin, but I'm not going to be manipulated and gaslit to side with the Ukrainian regime because of what the Russian's were under the Soviet regime. I can't ignore the corruption and Nazi sentiment/influence on the Ukrainian regime. And most of all, I'm not going to blame the actions of any government on their citizens. The governments of most countries seem to be working against the will of their citizens.
  I'm also not going to hold the current citizens of a country accountable for the past actions of that countrie's government. Past government's did some pretty nasty shit - doesn't mean it reflects on the citizens now.
• You might see this as a national/cultural conflict, akin to colonisation. I see this as another corporate/financial conflict using nationality and culture as window dressing to recruit people via historic bias and emotion.
• Believing no side? Don't blame you really. I take both sides with a grain of salt, but sway more one way than the other other due to the sources I've seen and the history I've seen. I'm sure you do the same. Take into account though, that this may be the exact outcome that is intended - as Yuri Bezmenov touched on; during the demoralization stage, the aim is for the individual to not know which source to trust so that you can never come to the truth.

@Tom81
Thanks for the concise response.
It is the nature of discussions like this that things become long and convoluted.

Respond to your points in order:

Understood.

Agreed, hence you need to look at the much longer cultural history of each country or population. Once you understand the difference between serfdom and feudalism you will understand why west and east Europe is so different. And why communism took so easily in the east and not the west. And why we still have the large difference between west and east Europe.

Do you really think that the US wanted Biden or Canada Trudeau?
They are installed WEF puppets. Through manipulated elections.
Now how is what Zelensky is doing different to what Putin etc had already done? So you cannot claim Russian influence over Ukraine is an improvement in this specific regard.
Not even NZ is free and independent. We do whatever China (National government) or WEF (Labour government) tells us to do.
I believe the same applies to Australia.

Kruno is not my enemy. 90% of what he posts is true and correct. However he post 10% that is not. Then he only posts. He only replies to posts if it contradicts his agenda. He is not the only one.
He said a lot of nonsense about Finland and NZ which I helpfully corrected with evidence. He got very insulting which suggest he is here to press a specific agenda hidden among many good and correct posts.
To my knowledge no one has ever blocked me. How do you see that? I have only blocked one person.

Agree about expats. I also only know a very small fraction of the total population so my experiences are greatly scaled up with high probability of error. I concede that.

Russia is only being destroyed because it chose the wrong route. Compare with Japan, who tried the imperialist route and failed, then went the economic route and become a world power. Russia should be a world economic power. And no, with their resource leverage the west has no chance to economically “destroy them” and had no such intentions. Look how Germany twinned itself with Russia. An economically strong Russia is in Europe’s best interest.
Russia had all the trade route access it needed and was developing more with help from Europe and China/India prior to 2014. The U.S. was powerless to stop that. Germany was too dependent on Russian energy and was making too much money.
Russian aggression caused the door to open for the US/EU to do what it is doing now. Russia had a warm water port through the 1998 agreement which Ukraine kept. Their warm water port was never threatened before 2014.

Agreed I don’t blame US for Biden, please don’t blame NZers for Ardern.

100% agree. I have made the claim several times now that the is an economic war. Russia is losing that war and is trying to win it through military means. Will not work.

Russia does not want Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia etc or even Poland and Hungary etc to be part of Russia.
They want to economically dominate them.
And that is what this war is all about.

Not Nazi’s, or bio labs, or Ukrainians being Russians, or corruption or any risk to Russian sovereignty. That is just BS made up to justify a war they already lost when they chose themselves not to follow the Japan example.

Fully agree with you.

@Hanno we probably agree more than we disagree, but just lean to slightly sides. I put more blame on the US/WEF side and you put more blame on the Russian side, yet there's more middle ground than not.
Your government in NZ seems to be the same as ours. It's pretty much CCP or WEF here too. Voter ignorance plays a big role, but there's also plenty of nefarious shit happening behind the scenes to manufacture outcomes. As with most of the world I guess.
The only way to figure out if you've been blocked by someone is that you can't click on the pages they've posted or respond to them posts (although sometimes this site glitches and the respond button isn't even there). For example, I can't post on any of wileyrick's leftist agitprop posts - I can see them but if I click on them it sends you to a sort of error page.
Would be nice to have a block counter on our profile page though. Inquiring minds like to know.

@Tom81
The reason I am continuing my discussions with many here on Ukraine—Russo war is that I am very self-critical of my understanding of the exact causes and effects.
Sometimes i unfortunately lose my temper and take a strong stance when I should be more restrained.

I am also really trying to understand what peace would look like: I am becoming convinced that this is an economic war and the solution is to help Russia become an economic powerhouse it should be.
However I failed in South Africa, so I do not know how.

What we really need imho is Trump to president again and go and broker a proper peace deal. One that will address Russia’s real concerns and allow the Ukrainian people to decide their own future.

@Hanno I think one of the main problems in the Ukrainian - Russian conflict is that many of the Western nations have a vested interest in keeping the war going and isolating Russia from the rest of Europe. Especially the US; and in particular keeping Germany from having trade with Russia and vice versa. They way things are going though, Europe looks like it's collapsing financially and culturally anyway.