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“Jews who hate Israel” should be a contradiction in terms but unfortunately such people do exist. I know some of them. I have referred to them before as like turkeys voting for Thanksgiving. The same should be said for “Jewish Socialist, Jewish Communist or even Jewish Democrat. Let's not forget that National Socialists in Germany murdered six million Jews and also let's not forget that Karl Marx was a Jew.

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There are two sects of modern day Jews:

  1. Those that believe that the state of Israel is NOT to come to be UNTIL the coming of the Messiah - Torah Jews

  2. Zionists who believe and follow in the protocols of the learned elders of zion - Talmudic Jews

you forgot secular Jews

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whenever people are threatened with privation, torture, death for being "Jew" AND they are powerless and unable to defend themselves the natural psychological response is to not only disguise but to deny their own Jewishness.
The same is true of White school age teens who have cast off their own White identities and adopted (not I did not say adapted) all of the mannerisms and behaviors of the group who they fear most - namely Black American subculture.
I submit that the dynamics are the same - Self loathing Jewishness and Self loathing Whiteness in USA in particular and Greater Western Civilization in general.
We have ethnic Jews who literally hate Israel and the very idea of a "Jewish State". We also have Western White kids (many of them now adults) dressing, speaking, generally behaving in the vernacular of Black Culture. It is bad enough the kids do this in the first place but even worse they are quite vocal about their "hatred" for all things built by the labor of "old White White men"
Is it any wonder that Western White people are at or below a zero population growth rate?

Put it in simple terms - tell a red haired person that all red haired people are stupid and deserve to die, that red haired person will do anything and everything he can to hide or to change/disguise his ginger locks...and he will be more vocal than non red haired folks about the evils of red haired people.

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Jewish is either a religion or an ethnicity. It does not automatically mean you give a shit about Israel. Being Jewish does not equal being Israeli. To claim as much is just an antisemitic trope to "other" Jews and claim they are not American (or whatever country they are living) and must have allegiances elsewhere. Are all Catholics not American because they must be allegiant to the Vatican?

That is like saying you can't be a Christian gun owner or an Italian Conservative.

Also you are trying to be clever saying "National Socialist" but Nazis were authoritarian right-wingers. Nothing to do with Communism or Socialism.

You have so many false analogies there it's hard to think now where to start. whether a Jew is an ethbic Jew or a religious Jew doesn't matter to anti Semitics. They will hate them all anyway.. that is where that "turkeys voting for Thanksgiving" analogy came from , And whether you like it or not it is accurate.
What i said had nothing to do with Christian gun owners or Italian Conservatives'. I have no idea where you got that from. You had to really reach for that one.
Lastly National Socialists are Socialists. The Nazis proudly proclaimed that. Words mean things..
It's a popular myth (put out by Socialists) that Nazis and Communists are on opposite sides of the political spectrum. They are not. They are both way over on the same side, practically first cousins to each other.

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What is an antisemite??

@magapundit yeah, you are 100% right. Antisemites hate Jews no matter what, even if they have nothing to do with the religion of Judaism. A Jew who is an Atheist, or even a Jew who has converted to Christianity, will still be hated and have conspiracies and rhetoric used against them. I should know, as an Atheist Jew.

That doesn't explain the rest of your comment. You are saying you cannot be a Jew and be a Democrat, or be a Jew and not support Israel 100%. That is false. Jew, as an ethnicity, has nothing to do with politics or a random ethnostate committing human rights violations. If you are equating the Democratic party treating Jews as Thanksgiving treats turkeys, I have no idea what you are talking about. Which political party has a prominent member of Congress spreading "Jewish space laser" conspiracies and claiming you cannot be a legitimate official if you don't swear an oath on a Bible (hint, it is the Republicans). Prominent Conservatism in the US is heavily tied to white supremacy and antisemitism, so it is more contradictory to be a Jewish Conservative. In fact, many evangelical right-wing Republicans only care about Israel due to Biblical prophecies about Jews being in control of Israel for Jesus to return - they still hate Jews, and expect Jesus to come back and exterminate them.

And no, Nazis were right-wing fascists. They were not socialists. It is a common lie used by the right-wing to try and distance themselves from Nazis and blame the left.

[washingtonpost.com]

Most supporters of Nazism embraced the party precisely because they saw it as an enemy of and an alternative to the political left. A closer look at the connection between Nazism and socialism can help us better understand both ideologies in their historical contexts and their significance for contemporary politics.

The Nazi regime had little to do with socialism, despite it being prominently included in the name of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. The NSDAP, from Hitler on down, struggled with the political implications of having socialism in the party name. Some early Nazi leaders, such as Gregor and Otto Strasser, appealed to working-class resentments, hoping to wean German workers away from their attachment to existing socialist and communist parties. The NSDAP’s 1920 party program, the 25 points, included passages denouncing banks, department stores and “interest slavery,” which suggested a quasi-Marxist rejection of free markets. But these were also typical criticisms in the anti-Semitic playbook, which provided a clue that the party’s overriding ideological goal wasn’t a fundamental challenge to private property.

Instead of controlling the means of production or redistributing wealth to build a utopian society, the Nazis focused on safeguarding a social and racial hierarchy. They promised solidarity for members of the Volksgemeinschaft ("racial community" ) even as they denied rights to those outside the charmed circle.

Additionally, while the Nazis tried to appeal to voters across the spectrum, the party’s founders and initial base were small-business men and artisans, not the industrial proletariat of Marxist lore. Their first notable electoral successes were in small towns and Protestant rural areas in present-day Thuringia and Saxony, among voters suspicious of cosmopolitan, secular cities who associated both “socialism” and “capitalism” with Jews and foreigners.

National Socialism preserved private property, while also putting the entire resources of society at the service of an expansionist and racist national vision, which included the conquest and murderous subjugation of other peoples. It makes no sense to think that the sole, or even the primary, negative aspect of this regime was the fact that it used state power to allocate financial resources. It makes as little sense to suggest that using state power to allocate some financial resources today will automatically result in the same dire consequences.

Nazism was steeped in Christianity, racial superiority, and authoritarianism - something opposite of the "godless Communists" narrative that was thrown around post WWII to attack Russia and other Socialist ideologies.

@JacksonNought I wasn't the one who said it. It was the apostle Paul in Romans 2 28-29. "for he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, neither is that circumcision which is ou5tward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit and not of the letter, whose praise is not of men but God.
You say you're an atheist Jew? Then it would seem to me you have the worst of both worlds. You are regarded as a Jew by the world and hated for it, and regarded as not a Jew by God and thus not under His protection. It occurs to me that that might explain a lot of the persecution that Jews have suffered over the centuries. Makes me wonder why anyone would deliberately choose that for themselves. That's what my comment about "turkeys voting for thanksgiving" was all about in case you were wondering.
I can't speak for "right wing Republicans" as you call them but evangelical Christians support Israel because we feel we share a common spiritual heritage. As an atheist you probably wouldn't understand that.
And, yes Nazis were Socialists. that's why they called themselves National Socialists and they weren't kidding about that. Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia were like two sides of the same coin. And both were anti Semitic precisely because both were Godless.

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