Sounds about right

I was just thinking along those lines this morning as it relates to political ideology. Socialists are individuals but see things in terms of assigning responsibility to the collective. Fauci for instance takes zero responsibility for his lies and tries to assign responsibility to "science". So he says "People that attack me are attacking science". As if it is insane to attack science. Well, it is because science is not something that causes things. Individuals do. Of course, they will also assume responsibility only to take credit for positive outcomes but never accept blame for negative outcomes.They assign cause to the collective but are more than willing to accept praise even though they never see themselves as causing anything. As though other people made them who they are. A nice way to avoid responsibility, I suppose.

Also, Take @JacksonNought, the police are responsible for killing Blacks. Blacks are not responsible for getting killed by police. Responsibility lies with individuals though. There have been undoubtedly individual police officers that have killed a Black individual out of racial prejudice. That would be a rare thing today but it could happen. Jackson likes to think that all police killings of Blacks are due to racism. The police are responsible. And of course Whites are responsible for oppressing Blacks. You can point to many successful Blacks but then they ain't Black because they are pretending they are white. There's a general dislike of whites because they are the reason, the responsible party, for the Blacks condition. In assigning that responsibility they will remain responsible for the lives of Blacks.
He could take the view that whites are not responsible for the lives of Blacks and they can be responsible for their own lives but he prefers they not be responsible.

I haven't got the whole thing thought out but for certain the individual and not the collective is responsible.

@FrankZeleniuk wow, if you were going to completely lie about my positions, you shouldn't have tagged me so I wouldn't see it.

First let's look at the OP. What is the context of this? Of course freedom is better than tyranny. Is this a general statement, or is it about something specific?

Based on the OP's pattern, the implication is that getting vaccinated or having to wear a mask is tyranny. Okay. And you bring up Fauci taking "zero responsibility". Okay. So are you also going to bring up Trump saying "I don't take responsibility at all" and "it is what it is" in regard to over half a million people dying from a virus he claimed would magically disappear and also claimed was a hoax? Remember, Trump called on Obama to apologize and resign over one person having Ebola, but then completely changed his tune over COVID.

There is a heavy amount of tribalism in what people consider freedom vs tyranny. The GOP is constantly trying to outlaw abortion, and the Conservative movement has a history of being against same-sex marriage as well as what acts two consenting adults could do in their own bedroom (sodomy laws)... sounds like tyranny to me. Many Christian lawmakers, especially in the GOP, think that the Bible should be the law of the land. Sure sounds like tyranny. Christians have argued that they should be exempt from laws due to their beliefs, such as when it comes to insurance coverage or discriminating against whoever they feel like at the time, but then turn around and argue that the same accommodations should not be allowed for other religions, such as Satanists wanting to bypass waiting periods and mandatory propaganda for abortions, or Navajo being allowed to smoke peyote. Many Conservatives think gun rights should be completely unrestricted, but drugs should be illegal. The GOP has no problem reducing voting hours and polling locations and imposing more hurdles to make it harder to vote. The GOP seems to be against wearing masks for medical reasons, something East-Asian countries have done for decades, and have a pattern of being belligerent in private corporations which imposed mask policies... but then they support laws saying women cannot be topless where men can because of religious objections. The GOP basically passed laws telling private businesses they cannot require vaccinations, but they have no problem allowing people to be fired just for being gay or trans. That all sure sounds like tyranny to me.

Since you brought up police brutality, I would also like to bring up the tribalism around that. Stop and Frisk was tyranny. Arresting Eric Garner and choking him out, all for selling loose cigarettes, was tyranny. Right-Wingers like to tell people that if they didn't resist and didn't break the law, they would be fine, as if a misdemeanor or walking away gives police the right to execute you. Giving an armed state-sanctioned soldier the authority to order you around under threat of death is not freedom, and all too often we see this power abused and excused. Of course, Conservatives only actually believe this when they are unaffected, otherwise watch them change their tune quickly and abandon their "back the blue" mantra.

Yes, George Floyd resisted arrest, but that does not give the police the authority to kneel on his neck for 9 minutes, while onlookers pleaded for them to stop, and let him die. And then to justify it, the Right Wing Media Machine did everything they could do to bring up his history and paint him as a violent thug who deserved it, as well as fake toxicology reports trying to claim he died from drugs. You constantly heard "he once did this, so he deserved it this time" and "well he was resisting". But when Ashli Babbitt stormed the Capitol and tried to climb through a broken window with a mob, despite repeated warnings at gunpoint, and was executed, of course the RWMM claimed she was a true American patriot and unjustly killed for no reason and why don't they string up the officer who did it. And despite Babbitt having her own extensive criminal history, you never heard this brought up.

When BLM protesters were peacefully (yes, peacefully) sitting for a violin vigil to remember someone murdered by police, riot officers stormed in and started gassing them and beating them. When people were, again quite peacefully, standing around Lafayette Square, the police rolled in and gassed and beat them so that Trump could take a photo op with a Bible. When an old man walked up to police in Buffalo, he was shoved to the ground and cracked his head open; when two officers were suspended for this, the entire department quit in solidarity. And the Right-Wingers applauded all of this. But then when police were enforcing mask mandates and social distancing, the Right-Wingers became violent and resisted arrest / removal, and threatened cops. When the Right-Wingers decided to interfere with our democracy and storm the Capitol, they had no problems breaking the law and crushing an officer and trying to poke their eyes out. When a bar owner was being arrested for violating ordinances with his bar, he got into his car and ran over the officers to escape - he was on Hannity the next day hailed as a hero.

Responsibility does lie with individuals. The police are included in that, which is why they should be held to the same standards and not given protection and pensions if they abuse their power. Perhaps we shouldn't be cutting the budget of under-funded schools with 50-year-old textbooks so that the police department can buy a tank.

"Jackson likes to think that all police killings of Blacks are due to racism." Please point out where I ever said this. Or ever said black people are never to blame for being killed? Or questioned someone's race due to their success or attitude? Or "he prefers they not be responsible" - where have I ever said this? Are you just making shit up now? I thought we had civil debates before, but now you are just lying.

@JacksonNought Wow! I thought I would involve you in the conversation on this important topic.

I did sort of get the response I expected. It was going to be that or no response. I'm glad you decided to respond. We do have civil debates that I appreciate.

First off, I don't know how @Alysandir arrived at his response to the OP. It was just about freedom and tyranny. He just said essentially freedom meant taking full responsibility and tyranny meant no responsibility for outcomes. I was essentially replying to his comment and I had made a comment about responsibility in my last post to you on our earlier discussion, that I haven't received a reply to so I thought I would tag you on this thread. In the name of inclusivity, perhaps. I wouldn't, as long as we have a dialogue, say negative things about you behind your back.

I think most of what you said in the above post was about bad government and mostly you disagree with right-wing or conservative positions. I disagree mostly with big government and the left today seems to want to regulate every aspect of our lives. I would prefer to be a little more responsible for myself so that I could have more freedom to make choices in my life. If I make bad choices..eh.. then my responsibility. I can't blame Obama for anything but trying to usurp more responsibility for the lives of Americans than the government already has. Essentially, that gives them less freedoms and makes the individual more dependent upon government. Conservatives doing the same thing is just as bad.

If I were going to create a government I give the American founders great credit as I would probably want the nation to be as they designed. There wasn't too much individual or social engineering involved. They knew the individual should have inherent rights that secured their person and property. And they knew the tyranny of governments needed restraint.

In your penultimate paragraph, you say, "Responsibility does lie with individuals." That is true.
Then you revert to making the police responsible by saying it is the police that needs to be held to the same standards and not given protections and pensions when they abuse their powers". Well no, the individual police officer should be held to the standards expected of him and not given protection and a pension if he abuses his power. Now it can get nuanced according to who sets the standards. The police captain, the State legislature, the federal government? You can't blame the individual police officer for following the set standards. Some of those can be flawed. If that is where the flaw sits then the legislation should be changed or the standards improved. If the police were just shooting people instead of taking them into custody for due process and adjudication. Then I would say that the process needed to be changed because we do provide in law, due process. The policeman is not the judge. You could then blame the individual who made the law, as much as legislators dislike being held responsible for bad laws and they are usually gone before they can be held accountable anyway.

I'm running out of time here so just a quick comment on Fauci. He had people doing things that adversely affected their lives. They agreed with him at first until he started changing the rules, don't wear a mask, wear a mask, wear two masks, two weeks to flatten the curve, wear a mask outside and social distance. Then he deflects responsibility to science. I was just saying follow the science. The science is where all his decisions came from, doncha know. Really? Even all the inconsistencies?

So you can make Trump, Conservatives, Christians, or whomever responsible. It means they have power. I dislike Obama's policies and glad he is gone, although Biden is actually a proxy for his third term. What do I dislike about Obama he was trying to take away more responsibility and thus the power of the individual to run his own life. He wanted to concentrate more power for government.
Trump was not perfect but he was pretty good. He tried to make government less intrusive in people's lives. The lives of legal, rational citizens. If you have a concern about "rational" perhaps we, as individuals, need to take more responsibility for being so. If we ever find out what rational means.