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US election: American dream consumed by hostilities of left and right

October 13, 2020

The Senate hearings to confirm Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court began with pompous policy speeches from all the senators involved — bizarre in a judicial confirmation — and will end in partisan rancour.

They confirm Canberra’s chief concern about America — not that its defence forces could be eclipsed in the Taiwan Strait, or its economy be slow to recover from COVID-19, nor even that it could lurch into excessive climate evangelism — but that its internal polarisation is so great that it will worsen, no matter who wins the presidential election.

It’s not true this is the US’s worst polarisation. In the 1860s Civil War more than 600,000 soldiers died defining the US as a non-slave state. But today’s divisions are surely the worst since the Vietnam War and Watergate eras of the late 1960s and early 1970s.

There was then a great many groups espousing or practising violence — the Black Panthers, Students for a Democratic Society, the Weather Underground, the Symbionese Liberation Army. There were a lot of bombings and a culture of riots.

Intractable as they looked at the time, the disputes which gave rise to these extremities were often amenable to resolution or compromise. The Vietnam War ended. Richard Nixon resigned. Voters got sick of riots and backed stronger law-and-order policies. Ronald Reagan became president in 1980 and the economy took off. Economic growth helps ease most social problems.

The polarisations of today look more long-lasting, though, more structural. Not only will the economy be damaged for a long time, and burdened with horrendous debt, but today’s divisions have a broader, longer lasting, social base than the divisions of 50 years ago. They are rooted in social, spatial and basic belief contradictions which won’t go away quickly.

If Joe Biden is elected, left liberal culture power will be backed by left liberal political power. Given the hostilities on all sides of US politics, the danger of liberal over reach, and furious backlash, must be rated very high.

The US left hates the history and institutions of America itself. This attitude plays out now in the new cultural product of Hollywood and Netflix and the like. No longer are leaders criticised in drama for not living up to America’s ideals. Rather the ideals of America themselves are condemned as racist, sexist, hetero-normative, economically exploitative and the rest.

But that half of America not indoctrinated in these beliefs still feels patriotic and loves the country. As sociologist Charles Murray’s brilliant 2012 study, Coming Apart, documented, Americans live increasingly in cultural and ideological ghettos, among people who share their cultural and political outlook.

The Democratic Party’s new left demonises traditional religion; half of America is still deeply religious. Americans now consume entirely contradictory, partisan media, which no longer share common facts and debate the best policies, but live in worlds of contradictory facts.

If Biden wins it is just possible that he will tack to the centre and seek national unity, and the passionate hatreds of the left may subside. But the strength and energy of his party and the culture behind it are fully in service to the destructive dogmas of identity politics and endless woke gestures.

And if Donald Trump loses he is unlikely to go quiet into the night, but will rage, rage against what he will portray as a conspiracy of the Deep State and the liberal media.

At the same time, there is no real danger of Trump enacting a coup to thwart the election’s outcome.

When Trump talks about not accepting the results of a crooked election he is trying to prepare the ground for multiple legal challenges to postal votes if results in key states are desperately close.

This is especially likely if he leads on the night but fears he could lose when postal votes are tallied.

But there is absolutely no evidence at all to think that Republican-nominated judges, in all the state courts or indeed in the Supreme Court, would rule dishonestly to pervert an election.

Nor would any other US institution co-operate in such skulduggery.

That’s not the danger. Long-term, simmering hostility in antagonistic tribes — that’s the danger.

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t’s not true this is the US’s worst polarisation. In the 1860s Civil War more than 600,000 soldiers died defining the US as a non-slave state. But today’s divisions are surely the worst since the Vietnam War and Watergate eras of the late 1960s and early 1970s

There was then a great many groups espousing or practising violence — the Black Panthers, Students for a Democratic Society, the Weather Underground, the Symbionese Liberation Army. There were a lot of bombings and a culture of riots

Intractable as they looked at the time, the disputes which gave rise to these extremities were often amenable to resolution or compromise. The Vietnam War ended. Richard Nixon resigned. Voters got sick of riots and backed stronger law-and-order policies. Ronald Reagan became president in 1980 and the economy took off. Economic growth helps ease most social problems

It is necessary to point out that the violent activity - the polarization is being fomented and carried out almost exclusively from the left just as it was in the 60s and 70s.
Conservative people just do not burn, bomb, riot...those are the tactics of the communist/anarchist left. Conservatives tend to fight with words
It is also necessary to point out that it was the Democrats who grossly escalated the Vietnam war - yet somehow almost everyone seems to have lain the blame on the Nixon administration in particular and upon the Republican Party as well.
You don't see Conservative/Republican people creating enclaves or zones where they claim sovereignty and where police are "banned". You don't see Conservatives setting fires, raping and pillaging the cities and towns. You don't Conservative people impeding traffic - burning police cars...

Nooo, I don't think its fair to say or to even imply that "both sides" share equal blame for these things. If the Communists and the Anarchists were not burning, pillaging, looting, raping...there wouldn't be any! None! Because Conservative people just do not behave that way.
Threaten us - act as though you're about to invade my home, my car...I'll shoot your ass. Unapologetically. I might be arrested and charged with a crime for doing that but as I see it - you were on your knees asking for it when you chose me, my family, my home...to invade, burn, threaten...
I don't see that as sharing equal blame. Don't start shit with a Conservative/Trump Voter and there won't be any.

iThink Level 9 Oct 13, 2020
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"The polarisations of today look more long-lasting, though, more structural... social base than the divisions of 50 years ago. They are rooted in social, spatial and basic belief contradictions which won’t go away quickly."

Agree. 2020 has brought out some extremely concerning rifts in our current political climate tenfold as well. Time and time again, I watch each and every event become a more heated division between the two main parties. BLM, health care, COVID, protests, lock down, riots, and other civil unrest leading up to the election. The election has a high probability of making things a lot worse.

"Americans now consume entirely contradictory, partisan media, which no longer share common facts and debate the best policies, but live in worlds of contradictory facts."

The thing I find scary about this, is the amount of people who only follow one source and or social media. If CNN/Twitter, FOX/Parler are the only way people are getting the news, they're most likely missing news/ only getting one sided opinions.

"But there is absolutely no evidence at all to think that Republican-nominated judges, in all the state courts or indeed in the Supreme Court, would rule dishonestly to pervert an election."

Although Amy Coney Barrett can't (nor should) commit to recusing herself for the election, I wonder if she would, if confirmed. Would the presidents tweets/ speculation of a conflict of interest be viewed as sufficient enough cause?


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