That sounds interesting. Could you expand the idea?

I understand though that won't prevent the lunatics from taking over as you can clearly see in society. Shouldn't that be a good reason to go crazy? How come people are so willing to give up everything all those people in the past have worked so hard to build for you, the ones you all allegedly respect so much.

@A1fredo 2 wrongs don't make a right

@Lightman Haven't you learned life isn't fair, by now? Plus, your math is faulty. No human being has the capabilities to judge all the rights and wrongs involved in these global messes. So that's just an excuse not to get involved, sorry. I'm open to hear any other reasons not to if you have one.

That was the Jewish response to Kristallnacht.

Many people choose to remain fools. Many I see do it out of sheer physical and intellectual laziness.

@A1fredo nah.... older than you and been through lots of bad things in my life... going through one right now in fact... 2 wrongs don't make a right... acting like the lunatics will not help the situation, escalation simply leads to more escalation, leads to war and M. A. D.

@Lightman There are bad things and there are bad things. You are a first-world person. With all due respect, you have no idea what bad things are. And I don't want you to find out. I would rather have MAD than to live the way we do. At least you would die painlessly without having to serve a lifetime of slavery. You can just ignore me and call me crazy, it's still a free country. I wouldn't feel good if I did not warn you though.

@Lightman We do not need to escalate, but outwit. These people they are using are easily played and manipulated. we need to sick the dogs on there masters. I rabid dog sent to attack you by a abusive master if greeted with a hearty chunk of meat, and if treated properly will become loyal to you and when you sick it on its old master the same trick will not work for him as it did you, since now the dog knows which master is honorable.

@A1fredo With all due respect, you have no idea what bad things are.
With all due respect I think I do... doesn't mean I don't do my best to avoid them though.
There are many countries I'd hate to live in of course, but puhlease don't try and paint me as ignorant ok.
As for having Mutually Assured Destruction... only the truly mad see that as an answer.

@Lightman Man. How about you meet me at a humble place? I am very ignorant, and I know there are levels of "bad" I don't know either. It should be self-evident to us. Or would you say you have it just as bad as anybody else at all, ever? Come on. Please realize our perceptions are subjective, so what we think is 100% is not a 100%, it's only as far up as we have gotten to experience. And you won't realize you were wrong until you go farther up. Nobody is perfect and intellectual pride is nothing but a wall that prevents your from emotional strength. I have no interest in offending you or hurting you emotionally. That's because I have no ego. I'm a piss poor Mexican piece of shit, and I can accept it because I am strong. So I use my emotional strength and my intellect to do whatever it is that I can do with it to help. I wish you could join me instead of pretending to be all-mighty and defend your ego instead. your choice... I don't really think you could fix all of this alone, can you?

@A1fredo You don't have to put your hand in a fire to understand what will happen
So far from what I read from you I see you as a radical that seeks action without thought of the consequences.
As for your thoughts about me... you are clueless.

@Lightman As you wish. That's fine. And I am clueless in lots of things. What are the consequences you think that I do not consider?

@A1fredo I already explained them

@Lightman haha Sure you did.

@A1fredo yep I sure did...
2 wrongs don't make a right... acting like the lunatics will not help the situation, escalation simply leads to more escalation, leads to war and M. A. D.

@Lightman You are assuming that by "engage and organize" I mean in a physical and confrontative way. There are other several ways to go about it. Just think of how all of this happened. It's an information war so far. So we could information our way out of it. The power in a culture war is influence. Sigh, I won't expand further as I don't really know if you want to know, but yeah. I don't mean to escalate. There are other ways. I don't know why you assumed that. We are not in the stone age.

@A1fredo You said...
The left: Siege and Shutdown plans. They engage and organize. You? Nada. That's why you lose.

We all know how they engage and organize...
You also said re my more pacifist inference...
I understand though that won't prevent the lunatics from taking over as you can clearly see in society. Shouldn't that be a good reason to go crazy?

Hence my interpretation of your position.

@Lightman The bulk of the people is well-intentioned mindlessly following the herd. Their power is in the numbers, strictly in numbers. You persuade or distract that bulk, you strip them of their power. Problem solved with no war.

@A1fredo Antifa, BLM etc are a minority...

@Lightman They would be, except that people who don't engage don't count. They are not a factor in any of it. So no....

@A1fredo So yes... Americans need to stop voting the Democrat socialists in and reverse the indoctrination in their education systems... just because you'd like a civil war Americans won't do that. They already had one.

@Lightman Back to the civil war? I already clarified that to you. Right. If you think a Culture War is about politics, you're wrong. You'll see. I'm done trying.