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With all the insane policies and contradictions of the Biden administration, I was wondering why Sam Harris hasn’t spoken up against any of it’s errors. This especially as Harris advocates so much for logic and science. Harris hasn’t even had discussions with Rubin, Peterson, or Shapiro on the topics, at least to my knowledge. Wouldn’t that be prudent for a variety of reasons? I guess I am just disappointed as I used to look up to Sam Harris 😟.

Dr-Striper 6 Sep 11
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People like Harris will never admit that they were pawns of neo liberal corporatists and influence peddlers like Biden. They bought into the idea that the anti communist were all ignorant "Bible beaters" and "red neck gun nuts" or dangerous militarist and industrialists. It's also a revenge of the nerds thing. Only like most fairytales the real life version doesn't end happily.

wolfhnd Level 8 Sep 11, 2021

Yeah, it's a hard pill to swallow. My time as a rebellious libertarian atheist in the early 90s was almost text book neoliberal economic globalization and population homogenization.

I was so terribly wrong.

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You were not wrong in principle. Global trade s a good thing. Atheism is the default for thinking people, Thomas Jefferson was an agnostic. There are a lot agnostics in the clergy. The libertarian ideology is needed because all hierarchies tend towards tyranny. Homogenization happens with trade, it was accelerated by electronic communication, it was in the cards before neo liberalism.

The problem with global trade is it is lawless. There are many times more derivitives in circulation than all the hard wealth of all the nations. The banksters are parasites and loons, exhibit A George Soros. That is why I have problems with hard libertarianism. You need a strict moral culture for it to work. A moral culture based on productivity and self restraint.

Atheism is hard for me to not find appealing. That said I agree with Jordan Peterson that religions evolved because they increased group fitness. Like all evolved systems they are not "rational". People that are evolutionist accept the irrationality of physical evolution because of complexity but can't accept that culture is equally complex. So many things that are not technically "real" such as money and freewill are essential components of complex cultures. The reason scientific socialism will not work is comp!ex chaotic systems are technically unpredictable and sensitive. Our intellectuals can't come to grips with their own limitations. They act as if they have freewill but deny it exists in the wider social context. Then they wonder why people without agency can't find meaning and dignity.

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