slug.com slug.com
3 3

It should not be about race.
In Sam’s most recent podcast, [samharris.org], he talks about the current situation in our country with all the protests and riots and, IMHO, he outlines the situation very well. It would seem to me that we are faced with a number of challenges and unless we are willing to have open, civil and honest conversations about what is happening we will be in this maelstrom of conflicting video clips and comments expressing the most extreme views, on both the left and the right, to prove some point pulled way out of perspective. The real crisis is about being human, treating others with respect and decency. Too often expressed ideas are met with profanity and no substance. Seems like making a noise is more important than open conversation with a willingness to at least understand a different point of view. Agreement would be nice but is not essential. If we can understand each other's concerns it makes it easier to reach a place of simple decency and consideration.

xerxes 6 June 14
Share
You must be a member of this group before commenting. Join Group

Be part of the movement!

Welcome to the community for those who value free speech, evidence and civil discourse.

Create your free account

3 comments

Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.

0

Is there a transcript some where?

wolfhnd Level 8 June 14, 2020
0

It is about race.

That is a brute fact. Whether it should or shouldn't be is irrelevant. The races exist and they are how they are.

Colin Flaherty has spent the last ten years documenting what he calls "the biggest lie of our generation" that is "black people are relentless victims of relentless white violence".

Virtually all interracial crime (85%) is Black on White.

It is Whites that are in danger from Blacks. It is not Black male joggers that are in danger from Whites, it is White women that are in danger of being raped and murdered by Black men.

Blacks are being used by the Marxists to destroy White civilization. The "maelstrom" of video clips you note are carefully orchestrated to perpetuate the lie. And if White allegiance to the Marxist orthodoxy is not achieved through the media and our corrupt school system, then they are set upon by Antifa and BLM terrorists.

Open and honest conversations are not possible, because Whites are too frightened, and Blacks don't care about anything but destroying Whites. Blacks don't want your understanding. Blacks don't want to exchange ideas. They want your stuff. And they want to hurt you.

Open and honest conversations are not needed either. What is needed is for Whites to stand up for themselves.

White pusillanimity is the real crisis, not lack of civility.

You make some interesting assertions. You are right, races exist, but I disagree that they are what they are. That seems to point to some predetermined opinion that cannot be changed. There really is only one race, the human race. All these other identities based on skin color or country of origin, or religious differences, are man-made and that does not mean that the worth of millions of people can be discounted with any validity simply because they are different from you. It is that kind of broad generalization that lead to you saying no open and honest conversations are needed, because you have already decided what people are like based on your pre-conceived ideas about race without a willingness to even look deeper.
Using percentages to make a point can be very deceiving, BTW I would like some references for that 85% assertion. Since you seem to have aligned yourself with Flaherty’s conservatism, it may be somewhat eye opening to check Flaherty’s assertions with real and factual information from a reputable source, like the FBI’s crime statistics, or are they also part of the Marxist agenda to destroy the white population? Even that in itself seems contradictory since Karl was a white guy, last time I checked.
When you look at the 2017 FBI Crime Statistics for the US, [ucr.fbi.gov], it seems that less than 29% of rapes are by blacks, and there is no information on how many of these were black men on black women, while more than 67% of rapes were by whites. Seems to me like white women should be more afraid of white men. Of the total arrests for all crimes tracked, 68.9% of crimes were committed by whites and 27.2% of crimes were by blacks and again no information on the race/ethnicity of the victims. The 2016 homicide information has a breakdown by race and black on white homicides is 8% of all homicides and white on black homicides is 3.6%. While you may wave your hand about this making your point the real scary truth is that black on black homicides account for 38% while white on white homicides account for 43% of all homicides. This seems to highlight the fact that whites should be more afraid of other whites rather than blacks, granted, neither number should be nearly as high as it is. To put this another way, in 2017, 2.2 million black/African Americans were arrested for crimes committed, which means that 39.2 million lived as law abiding citizens.
So bottom line is that you are just making my point for me. As long we are hiding behind slurs and misrepresentation and an unwillingness to see each other as humans with intrinsic worth the problem will remain unresolved.
Perhaps the real problem is your cowardice to look at others with an open mind.

There is racism in the world. Every person has a genetic program to be cautious about anyone different than them. It is one of the things that helped our ancestors to survive. We have since developed the ability to think, analyze and reason but the old program is not going away anytime soon.

The black community along with other minority communities and individuals in cases are subject to prejudicial treatment. In every part of the world the minority population are always targets for unfair treatment. There is no excuse for condoning this but remedies are difficult to implement. If in a person's life he finds that there is high probability that he will be tossed into the water it would be a good idea to learn to swim. Minority groups have extra difficulties in their lives because of prejudice. The only way to make things better is to first learn how to deal with it and then learn how to overcome it. But it is also the duty of majority communities to use the intelligence and reason they are capable of to be more understanding and respectful.

Racist crap.

1

As a rule of thumb the use of derogatory adjectives in a post indicates the poster is not trying to solve anything but merely pushing an agenda. My personal opinion is that the exploding divisiveness brought about by those who are effectively using fear to achieve political gain is working quite well. The more fearful we are the tighter we hang on to the imaginary flotation device of absolute certainty. That certainty makes us feel safe and righteous and makes us want to hang on tighter. We have been moving in this direction since the cultural revolution of the 60s in this country. It was exacerbated in the 90s by the forced separation of Democrat and Republican legislators in Washington, when Newt Gingrich told his party members to go home on weekends and not waste time talking to the opposition. I am sorry but I am going to sound like a conspiracy theorist but Russia for certain and maybe other hostile countries have been very successful using social media to push a stick into the hornet's nest and they seem close to achieving their goal of destroying America.

Pand0ro Level 7 July 6, 2020

@rustyshackleford From outside our country Russia and Iran are working at destabilizing us by encouraging the divisiveness that has been brewing in our country for the past 20 years. It is our foreign enemies that are the powerful entities. As far as I can see there is no cabal in our country that is trying to bring us down. We are being brought down unwrittingly by our two opposing stances that used to communicate but no longer do so. Our politicians have been selling fear to us because that seems to be what gets the votes even though it is destroying the country. Campaigns have been using negative advertising because that is what seems to get the votes even though it is turning the electorate against government and rendering the candidates disgusting. The fear has driven us into two camps, either of which would make things even worse if they got their way. We have lost the ability to formulate respectful conversation and resort to name-calling. We have forgone the courage of respect and willingness to listen to each other and instead are hiding in our own movie-like fantasy world where everything works out in the end. We are in a perilous time and need to grow up, suck it up and try to start working together for the sake of our country even when there is disagreement.

@rustyshackleford The quick fix would be finding a leader that inspires respect rather than demanding it, and gets across the message that working together is a good idea so that a large block of the electorate would feel confident in that leadership. That is an almost impossible long-shot. Another fix would be having a foreign country pose such a threat that it would focus our attention there. Again a long-shot that would be a lot more expensive than the former.

Ever since the Contract with America, which needed this divisiveness to work, we have become more and more selfish and self-centered, deliberately encouraged by those pandering politicians you mentioned. It has resulted in having a large block of our citizens trusting no one but themselves and feeling threatened from imagined enemies. In a quote from the old comic strip "Pogo" by Walt Kelly, "We have met the enemy and he is us." To be able to rely on individuals the individual must have a sense of personal responsibility. Unfortunately, evidenced by the contents of posts, it seems the normal thing to do is to blame somebody or something else.

Recent Visitors 24

Photos

Posted by RitBorgShould any IDW types celebrate the removal of people from the public discourse? I think Sam has made an error with this one.

Posted by GodlessHarris is refreshingly upfront about his argument: the subtitle of his book is How Science Can Determine Human Values.

Posted by ThomasSheedySam Posted this on his Instagram recently. What are your thoughts?

Posted by GeeMacSam Harris has unlocked all content on his meditation app, “Waking Up” from today to the end of the year.

Posted by postmaster“It turns out the IDW is mostly a collection of disillusioned liberals looking for a place to have honest conversation.

Posted by SpikeTalonGood questions...

Posted by ChadwickShould Sam Harris have Stefan Molyneux or Jared Taylor on his Making Sense pod cast to talk about Race?

Posted by SpikeTalonOne of my favorite quotes from Harris.

  • Top tags#video #SamHarris #world #media #god #politics #Podcast #moral #book #government #reason #youtube #IDW #truth #culture #death #politicians #religious #hope #faith #rights #evolution #money #biden #insane #religion #college #racist #laws #morality #children #Socialmedia #humans #liberals #ideology #community #FreeSpeech #nation #JordanPeterson #BenShapiro #population #evil #society #censorship #Constitution #atheism #liberal #plays #fear #debunking ...

    Members 5,910Top

    Moderator