How would you respond to someone of high intersectionality who claims to be systematically oppressed by straight white cis-gendered (not transmen) Christian men? For example, "Are there some benefits of being LGBTQX, not-white, transpersoned, non-Christian, or female?". As you may know, intersectionality is the ranking system of identity politics where groups of people see the world as a battle between the "privileged" and the "oppressors" based mostly on immutable factors. It is also a movement to combine varied non-straight-cis-white-Christian-male groups against a common "enemy". Here's a calculator where you can get a "score" of your intersectionality: [intersectionalityscore.com]
I absolutely refuse to use the term “c**” to denote “the opposite of trans.” The term was appropriated from chemistry, and is a redundant, unnecessary, construct often used in a derogatory manner against non-trans people. Everytime we use terms constructed by the authoritarian left, we are in effect advancing their position.
Having a victim mentality in any form is pure poison. Trying to make abnormality seem normal isn't any better. We all have to play the cards we are dealt. In this country you can make it work no matter which hand you get. Nothing will ever make everything perfect for everyone whether it's through reparations or legislation. So put your head down, work hard and make the best of it.
I am not highly educated, but as I understand it, most civilizations that go down this multi gender/homosexual path usually end up in the garbage heap of history.
Then there is the Islamic religion and we know how they deal with this issue.
Maybe these confused groups need to start paying attention the number of countries the muslims are getting control over, usually by doing things like having 4 wifes and having 3 or 4 kids per wife.
Didn't one of our congress women marry their brother?
The gender issue is a distraction from real problems. If you don't like who you are, keep it to yourself!
PAY ATTENTION, or ALL IS LOST!!!!!!
There’s a tale both in the Bible and in Sumerian Sources where the God(s) were tired of the endless and ridiculous arguments being put forth by those that they had created (humans / Homo sapiens) So in order to stop the nonsense, humankind’s language was deliberately “garbled” ... reduced to where, even between themselves, all they heard was babble ...
I think the entire question above is “garbled” ... there are six words in there that it seems the entire question is based on that simply make no sense to me ... and I have an extensive vocabulary.
Intersexsomething, Cissomething else, Transsomethingorother, Transsomethingelse, ... some LGBTLMNOPQtheForkCares?
You even include a “Calculator” ... how does one “calculate” nonsense?
If 5 cucumbers x 1 mango + 3 peaches = 1 rhinosaphant what is the answer for 3 bananas + 18 walnuts?
Everybody in our society is privileged. We are all, by historical standards, extravagantly wealthy.
If you were the emperor of Rome, your medical treatment would be given to you by the functional equivalent of witch doctors. There were perhaps a million books in the entire empire, and only one library with more than 100,000 volumes. If you wanted entertainment, unless you were truely wealthy, there was the Hippodrome a few times a year. The rest of the time was pure drudgery, which you shared with a population that was 50% slave. And that was the glory of Rome, one of the better epochs of history.
@admin, you clever little devil you. Gotta love this. Thanks! Some observations:
Nihilism sucks ass, but it's seemingly an impervious reality. I'm sorry this is an unhelpful contribution to the conversation, but it all seems exhausting at every turn when searching for answers concerning human and societal affairs at large. For every argument or viewpoint addressed(or apparently overcome), another opposing obstacle and new argument arises...In short closing, there is obviously a current & deliberate social massive ideological war being waged against white conservative heterosexual males in the U.S......Is it happening globally- idk?
There a few ways to approach this argument. One is to attack the vicitimization mentality itself as unproductive and destructive to those that claim that to be oppressed in the first place. One is to demonstrate that everyone has elements of privilege, but also everyone works a great deal for what they have and what they provide. Another way is to show how systems and policy approaches (such as mass public schooling or the War on Drugs to name few examples) much more so than immutable groups have systematically created barriers to opportunity for the poor in certain areas, and how poverty is exploited and used to further politically connected's goals much more so than one's group identity.
And yet another way to damage this argument/approach is to show that in other countries and places around the world, this very same group tends to be dissadvantaged on the same statistics other groups are here, and that majority populations in general tend to enjoy a slightly easier climb up the opportunity ladder due to incentives and legal apparatuses built into the respective systems. See South Africa or places in the Middle East for Christian or "White" oppression. Political power is the most dangerous weapon, and reverence of that, rather than one's identity, matters far more. But even so, in a country where everyone's rights are respected the same and laws are enforced largely the same across the board, everyone is privileged and everyone is better off better oneself. If that means moving out of the poverty traps set by the welfare state and the prison-school pipeline and starting a new life, than so be it.
Being the question asks how I would respond I'll answer it as such. Mind you, this is not answering what is the "proper and fitting" way to respond. But hey, if I'm asked then I'm giving my answer. Here it is...
(After laughing my ass off...in an incredulous tone): GTFO of here with your whiny ass complaints about being oppressed from leveling up on your freakish and deviant style. You wanna know what real oppression is? Wear my WHITE MIDDLE AGED CHRISTIAN DIVORCED MAN SHOES for a year and see what real government oppression via an anesthesia-free colonoscopy in search of your wallet twice a month feels like!!! It's called "divorce rape." That along with gynocentric government rules handing my beloved children to a hypergamist and biological liar (aka woman/women) I have basically danced on the edge of the cliff of suicide like a million or so men have been, are, or will shortly be doing. You'll call me a "deadbeat dad" (a slur in my mind) and I'll knock your teeth out...with enthusiasm. Then I'll make you attempt to say "BEAT DEAD DAD, I'm sorry" as the blood and saliva drool down your chin. .... Because here's how I see you, ya punk. You're the corrupt and oppressive county level government trafficking children and subjugating honorable men. My fist is my dignity and your face is every individual aggrandizing themselves in the family court system. And because your little "intersectional" group sucked up all the legal oxygen in our society, families have been left to rot. So...no sympathy for you!! And here's your teeth back."
That's what "I" would say...for myself, a million men (many who have taken their lives), and for all the people in society at least trying to be normal and live meaningfully. Spare me the freak parades.
Arrrrggghhhh!!! That felt good to rant!
I don't think everyone who's "highly intersectional" is solely out to get white men. A lot of thinkers on the left actually acknowledge that patriarchy is bad for not only men, but society as a whole, and this is why they want to see patriarchal structures dismantled (https://juniaproject.com/three-ways-patriarchy-bad-men/). In a similar way, Marx didn't really make moral statements about capitalists. He more thought of them as members of a an economic class, and such they were obligated to act in their own class interests or lose their position in that class. More about Marx's thoughts on morality here: [isreview.org]
In conclusion, I think a lot of people on the left aren't interested in attacking individuals with different politics so much as the institutions that perpetuate trends they see as harmful (for example, the policy of single family zoning is really hot in the news right now bc of the housing crisis). The line can get a bit blurry in the case of a person that represents an institution or a brand, like in the case of Jeff Bezos, Ben Shapiro, or Steven Crowder. Basiclaly in my opinion, the majority of the left isn't out to kill every single white Christian man in the world simply for their identity.
I think I might get down to basics and ask them where they think rights come from first. If they say from God, we have a basis to talk; if they say anything similar to government, state, or mention an evolutionary process we have no basis to talk. If they aren't gifted inalienable rights from Creator God they have no rights, just permission until permission is taken away by government, state, or someone stronger. Those people they assume they are being oppressed by, the ones who uphold certain inalienable rights for all, may be all that is standing between them and becoming a serf. Under genuine oppression as it has happened in the past, they wouldn't be complaining out loud; not for long.
I would tell them that if they choose to place themselves into this tiny box inside a false construct that they have surrendered their individuality and are disconnected from the diverse opportunities provided by the most fluid, abundant and accepting culture in all human history. Then walk away quickly. This entire overlapping BS can be done with any type of of set that has a majority element. It is voodoo graphing. The farther you are from the majority element the more unusual you are.....nothing else!
there is absolutely no advantage to suffering with mental illness and in this case we are talking about a mental illness known as "gender diaspora". Homosexual people are grossly misunderstood when they are referred to as being "gay". There is hardly a more miserable group of people than those who suffer with homosexuality. This fact is clearly revealed in statistics on suicide relative to "gender and other self identity" issues.
I would only respond to someone of high interesectionality if they were causing an issue with their belief. For example insisting that I give them preference because of their belief of oppression, or demanding sympathy. If I were discussing the issue with them I would insist that they had to prove to me that they have actually been oppressed by straight white men. Not just out competed by straight white men. I try to avoid irrational people, but, sometimes...it just isn't possible.
I remember telling a joke when someone mentioned they watched The Handmaids Tale which went something like this: Of course when Trump won we at the patriarchy meetings where going to implement the sexual slavery of women however when we saw you marching down the streets in pussy we though better of it. I mean at any moment these women could have reported us for sexual harassment while we were raping them.
The point was to show the paradox in the idea they can appeal to the powers of society while claiming that same society is oppressing them. If that were true not only would the institutions not care about their complaints they would further victimise them.