Scheduled on January 6th to protest alleged fraud in the 2020 election, the "Stop the Steal" rally is anticipated to draw thousands of the most avid Trump supporters. Calling for the election results to not be certified, the demands feel unprecedented even when considering the aftermath of the 2000 Bush/Gore and Trump/Clinton ("Not my president" ) election. What do you think is going on and what will come of it?
I think it will prove beneficial to those supporting the, apparently legitimate, president Trump. It is better to stand up than roll over. What is wrong with standing up and protesting? If it was ok for the left wing rioters then why or how can it be wrong for others to exercise their rights. Whether they are successful or not, they have a right to protest and they feel it overwhelmingly in their very bones. I think it is so they know they at least tried, and I find that admirable. Also how can it be bad for the Democrats to know and the bought/compromised Republicans to know that, one day, they will have to account for what they have done/allowed. I urge everyone to delete their FB/Twitter account and stop using Google.
My first president was FDR. There are fewer people being able to claim that any more. They have all been my president whether I liked them or not. George W. Bush was the first "not my president" and it has carried on through Obama and Trump. This is a disastrous precedent that predicts the breaking apart of America. Blaming anyone or anything will not do any good or turn us around. We have chosen political orthodoxy over negotiation and figuring out what will actually work between disagreeing parties because, no matter what, there will always be disagreeing parties. The ideal seems to be "If only we can get rid of all the conservatives/liberals everything will be great". The result will be worse than what we are going through now when all those people who thought they agreed with each other find all the things they don't agree on. A great portion of our citizens have reverted to childhood in their thinking where everything comes out perfectly in the end. This has been pushed upon us by politicians who have no consideration for anything but getting votes and staying in power. We have established a functional anarchy where we no longer believe anyone but ourselves. We individuals are saying "This is how things are and f... any one who disagrees with me." All things, good or bad, come to a disfunctional end.
I expect nothing will come of this rally - the politicians do not fear the Pro Trump, Pro America, Pro Law and Order demonstrators. The politicians know that there will be no vandalism, no rioting, no theft or destruction of property...just a bunch of good decent hard working tax paying citizens voicing their feelings about political corruption.
No fear - nothing to fear - Will never - Can NEVER be a catalyst for change. The left knows this will soon be over and everyone in that rally will return to their homes, their jobs, their routine lives and ultimately learn to live with the circumstances, the corruption in gov't...no, this rally will have no real effect on things.
Honest answer? From everything I am hearing, the authorities are doing everything in their power to ensure that the rally can not, will not, take place. From hotel closures to tearing down the stands intended for the Biden celebration parade, they are actively moving to make it increasingly difficult for people to take to the streets.
I believe all we'll be hearing about on the 6th is how people are being prevented from coming to downtown DC and those who do not turn back will be arrested and detained. The narrative from the MSM will be that "no one showed up, except violent radicals who were subsequently arrested."
And you can hate me for that prediction, but I truly believe that the political establishment is all in on stopping any dissent for the election results and aren't afraid to use force to accomplish that goal. Which would make it an interesting contrast compared to the largely unchecked BLM / Antifa riots that plagued cities for the better part of 2020.
I expect to see Americans excercising their Constitutional rights to freely assemble and freely voice their opinions. The only people that express negative opinions about conservatives protesting are leftists but they themselves protest and the far left protest
and riot. Change will only occur if those on the right actively get into government positions on the local, state and federal levels of government so they can impact the process and outomes. So why does this protest appear to upset and chap the backsides of leftists when they have applauded blm and antifa with their riots and destruction?
In the legal sense, it won't change much.
I can see a massive protest that will get bad press. Blm/antifa will come out and punch on with supporters, than blame supporters for the violence. After sun down, I think there will be shootings and stabbings targeting Trump supporters, which will be spun by the media to call Trump supporters violent thugs. Also, with blm/antifa around, you can be guaranteed that buildings and cars will be vandalized and torched.
We already have the answer, DIMS will do something to outlaw anything on the 6th...wait, they already did that. Notice when BLM 'protested' the political were fine with it, but, how DARE YOU think about doing the same 'right', we're ready for you. The left has a taste of victory and NOTHING will keep that from them.
Oh, and they also have 'moved' the inauguration...guess they thought it a bad look for NO Biden supporters to show up, and get booed from the stage by the 'right'.
I detest subterfuge! And I hate collaborators worse of all. THOSE who 'know' this whole thing is B.S. and blatantly LIE saying it was legit. I consider this group of individuals yellow bellied snake dwellers, they have NO spine, NO argument, an NO self esteem and they slither in the darkness waiting to put some fangs into someone.
IF, this had been a legitimate election, I would've hated the result, but, I would carry on. Knowing that if the the results had been reversed, NOTHING would shut the left up, they are the sleaziest of sleaze. So, F*&K 'em
All hell will break loose as it needs to. DC is full of corruption and is now at the breaking point. Time to drag the criminals out of their dens and demand justice. The conservatives really don't want to cause a commotion, but they have been given no option. God help you all.
I really have no idea. Unlike the "not my president" protests of 2016, the majority of big tech, social media, and MSM are heavily biased to the left. Anything positive about the Trump presidency as well as any legitimate concerns over voter fraud have been omitted from a bulk of left media narrative. So, what's left is conspiracy theories, clips of COVID deniers, and endless Trump tweets, that the media plays over and over. It's very frustrating.
This is a bit off topic, but something I've been trying to wrap my head around for the last month. So, I've been hearing a lot of talk and bluster from the Democrats over the last 4 years that Trump is killing our democracy. I shrugged a good chunk of that off considering the sources it was coming from were extremely progressive. Now, I'm hearing if Trump does not get a second term, our Republic is in danger. Again, I'm mostly hearing this from right leaning sources, but even those like Bret Weinstein and James Lindsay have spoken their concerns about how far left the Democratic party has gone.
Is there any truth to either claim? Additionally, if it is true, I don't think the answer is manipulating our election process to either elect Biden by fraud (or propagandistic means), or overthrow an election based on suspicion. (I'm not saying there is no evidence, I'm saying I haven't seen enough to overturn the results)
If people truly feel this election is the one to push our country that drastically in either direction, then that is a cause worth protesting. However, I'd be more inclined to side with the center as far as keeping both parties intact, rather than destroy the balance I feel we need more, than a singular vision one president can provide. Unfortunately, each side is currently being represented by those who have no desire for bipartisanship. I wonder how much of a center even exists anymore.
arresting proud boys already lol
"After admitting to burning Black Lives Matter sign outside historic Black church, Enrique Tarrio arrested in possession ‘high capacity firearm magazines’ as nation’s capital braces for violence"
oh planning terrorism is it then, what a shock!
seems like the last big waily tear from the MAGA faithful. No doubt some violence that will be ignored by the people on here who like far right terrorism etc.
Chances are high nothing much comes out of it, guess we'll find out for sure soon enough.
Between this post on here and the same post on Agnostic, I've observed paranoia from those who align more with the left (predictably enough), and either a go-for-it take on the rally or nothing much being achieved from those who align more with the right. Small wonder why there is so much division in our country.
The political elites are having a right good time keeping us divided as a nation, and these pride and identity-based groups from both political sides are just playing into the hands of those causing the division, and the disturbing part is there seems to be no conceivable end to it. I've reached a point in my life where I refuse to live my life in fear of the unknown... will ANTIFA go on another criminal rampage, or will the Proud Boys instigate a fight that gets so out of control that martial law will have to be declared, for example? Doesn't matter much to me anymore, guess I'll deal with that if and when the time comes. In the past I played into the division, but I'm tired of being a good boy and play along with it, while I sit back and watch the two extremes slowly destroy this country. Given enough time gone by, something has to give eventually, and when it finally does our lives will be forever changed and certainly not for the better. Hope I am wrong about that, but as I mentioned before only time will tell for sure.
Nothing will be accomplished other than the propaganda media will get some photo ops to misrepresent to the public. This is a hostile takeover of our country by both domestic and foreign enemies and they are now entrenched into every echelon of what used to be our government. The only thing that will effect real change will have to be physical force and I don’t see that happening.
The protests are largely misguided. The process on Jan. 6 is largely procedural. The States have already certified their electors. There have been Congressional challenges in the past, but most were in the 1800's or when the vote count was close, Florida comes to mind. If the protesters were concerned about fraud, they should be protesting in the States where the alleged fraud was committed.
It is possible that, much like the Tulsa rally, interest in the rally is heavily inflated online, and only a fraction will actually show up. But those who do show up I am sure will be the unwavering Trump sycophants. You will have many armed "y'all queda" cosplayers, Q conspiracy nuts, and plenty of COVID-deniers who will be cramming together and causing a fun super-spreader event. I am sure they will walk around acting tough. You'll probably see some white-power Nazi salutes. If there are counter-protesters, I am sure there will be plenty of armed threats against them, and I am sure violence will be started - of course the Trumpers will be the instigators. Also pretty sure we'll see those former "back the blue" people do a nice heel-turn and start complaining when the police start to deploy the same tactics against them that they did with BLM protesters.
I’m not sure what effect the protest will actually have outside of an expression of solidarity for the Conservative Right and the Pro-Trump Party (whatever that is it isn’t “Republican” ) so I think that overall its a good thing.
If the Left wants to make trouble at the Rally/Protest I hope the Rallyers are ready and ... I hope the Leftists get a drubbing. Not that I believe they will ...
I believe the Press will spin it in the worst possible light for the Pro-Trump People and the DemLeft will simply reinforce the message.
I’m more concerned about the outcome of the Election ... or “Confirmation” ... itself.
Honestly, if President Trump remains, I think the BS we’ve experienced for the past 4+ will wind up looking for a rehearsal for the “Main Event” and the next 4 years will be much worse with little getting done except ... maybe ... some Real Voting/Election Laws being created to prevent the Cheating and Fraudulent Voting that has come out in this election. (Maybe Voter ID Requirements and elimination of Unsolicited Mail In Ballots?)
If Biden is confirmed?
Honestly, I believe that will herald the End of the World (Republic) as We Know It. I expect there to be a seriously Hard Shift towards Leftism/Socialism/Communism and rules enacted to ensure the DemLeft can NEVER Again be “threatened”. Worse, I expect Biden to get the USA firmly into Bed with China ... as the Junior Partner ... not to mention get the USA into every New World Order Agreement and every Horrific Trade Deal out there.
While We may not see “Actual Flames” ... the DNC, the DemLeft, the Liberals seem to be intent on Destroying the USA from within and carrying on the Destruction set into motion by Obama.
In other words ...
If Trump ... Rugby and Confusion
If Biden ... Totalitarianism and Anarchy
Ah there we are: MAGA and proud boys rioting and fighting with the police.
I'm sure we have some excuses?
the police are antifa!
the proud boys are antifa!
they are patriots stopping the steal!
it's ok to assault the police when WE do it.
Antifa are worse!
etc etc etc
It is, just like the”Not my President”, childish behavior, and will accomplish nothing. I am not happy with the election. Yes, I believe there was fraud, but any more wide spread than any other election in the history of the USA? You can’t overturn the election results on a “potential” issue. There has been no evidence put forward that indicate a magnitude of fraud sufficient to turn the election around, and so there is no basis to continue the protest.