Private property also makes people care about the long term future.

Been here since 2004 but Stateless since 2006. I am effectively out of the system but my situation remains tenuous because of not being a part of any system. Still, talking about extending the lockdowns for another year, more cries about social justice, for such an independent government, they sure do seem to be following a surprisingly large number of globalist objectives here of late.

@AnomalousAnon1 we have our share of loony Lefties. You only get to suppress this if government uses an iron fist. Example is Singapore. Lefties are like fish in water in Libertarian societies.

@eschatologyguy I do not mind loonie lefties. What I object to is government using that iron fist to support and defend loonie leftie laws.

@AnomalousAnon1 there are times when a leader is clueless as to where the threats to the state really come from.

@eschatologyguy Or subject to outside influence, as most politicians are ... or at least seem to be.

Courageous words. Knowing that some people realize death may be part of real change shows that maybe people are starting to say enough. Something needs to change soon tho.

@george I started on social in 2006 on myspace. I left myspace in 2010. Sometime in those 4 years I posted a blog asking the question what would it take for you to finally decide to take up arms against the government. Sadly nobody ever thought they would have to actually answer that question in their lives.

But I have thought about it a lot, especially over the last four years. The way so many people went total ape shit when Trump just announced he was running in the primaries, was insane enough, but once he was running a campaign for the presidency and all the lunacy being allowed to run rampant in the streets, and all that has just been snowball like crazy I have little doubt a fight in the streets is what we need, and I won't be surprised to see it happen in my life.

But like I said I am too crippled up to be a lot of good in a fight like that. I can't run any more, walking can be a real struggle on many days, but I can still aim and pull a trigger. Of course I don't particularly want to get shot or blown up. If I thought about I expect I have a few skills that can come in handy in a true civil war, as well as just providing some kind of support. But if it comes down to that I also realize it is most likely I will have to make a stand as well. So at least I pray God will have me placed so I can help others on the way out the door.

@KCSantiago Thanks for your perspective... the shift has been going on for decades.

LOL. No need to worry!

That comment is absurd in the extreme. Granted, Islamic Republics exist; but a Christian theocracy?

I’d be interested in hearing your definition of Christianity.

I believe that "Wokeism" is a theocracy [slug.com]

@GeeMac

He held his finger up in the air and tested what way the wind was blowing moved in that direction and calls himself virtuous. Born in another age he would have been burning witches.

@GeeMac Islam by definition is a theocratic movement, believing that no law is above the church ... or mosque as the case may be.

I will note and concede that many Monarchs throughout history believe that they are endowed with special rights by God, mostly deluded and using that as a means to oppress their own people and others, often in conjunction with a certain religious institution created by men, but I do not know that there has ever been a Christian theocracy.

This may be in part because the Christ warns us that all things of this world are temporary, and while we should pray for all our leaders, and follow the laws of man unless and until they contradict the Law of God, we are merely temporary guests in a temporary world.

@AnomalousAnon1 true, and Islam is not just a religion but also a judicial, administrative, regulatory and cultural system which doesn't recognize the modern western tradition of separation of church and state.

Well, first, let me say the question is asking what your line in the sand was. I stated my personal opinion on it. Nowhere did I say it was possible, or close to happening, or anything of the sort, yet people are jumping down my throat now and calling it absurd and pivoting to Islam to distract from any criticism of Christianity. Which, to be clear, I said any theocracy - which includes Islam - but Christianity would be the more likely one in the US. This seems pretty telling that some are so easily triggered here.

@GeeMac, my definition of a Christianity theocracy is using the Bible as the law of the land, over the Constitution. On the extreme side, it is forcing people to be Christians, and imprisoning or executing those who are not. On the moderate side, though still a line in the sand and something which should never happen, it is throwing out the Constitution and forcing Biblical law on people, treating other religions as second class citizens, even if they are still technically allowed to keep their private beliefs; this would be going back to making homosexuality illegal, using taxpayer money to fund churches, inserting captive-audience Christian prayer in school, removing sexual education in schools, teaching creationism, forcing women to be subservient to their husbands, outlawing abortion, etc. We can just look at the early days of Puritans in the US for an example. Of course, Christianity can be a broad term, and no single sect can seem to agree on what is the right interpretation - Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, Mormon, Christian Scientist, Jehovah Witness, etc.

@lawrenceblair you say no need to worry, but I disagree. There are prominent Republicans, including Ted Cruz, who believe in the "Christian Dominionism" philosophy - seeking to institute a nation governed by Christians based on their understandings of biblical law. 7 of 9 of our Supreme Court justices, the highest court in the land, are Catholics. The US is in no way a "Christian Nation" yet many Christians still claim it to be so. We added "under god" to money and the Pledge in the 40s/50s. In a Pew study in early 2020, half of Americans said the Bible should have influence on US law, with then half of that group saying the Bible should take precedence over the Constitution. Jason Rapert is a prominent Senator who thinks the Bible should override the will of the people, and is part of a group called the National Association of Christian Lawmakers which is trying to force the US to adopt Biblical law. We already see other religions treated as second class citizens, where saying "Happy Holidays" to account for other religious observations in the Winter is somehow seen as an attack on Christians, and it is the height of insult if the Starbucks cups aren't Christmas-y enough. We saw slavery defended for decades because "the Bible endorses it" and then anti-miscegenation laws defended because "the Bible forbids it" and then anti-sodomy, anti-marriage-equality, anti-abortion, anti-civil-rights, anti-suffrage... you name it, all defended because of the Bible. The majority of the Republican party runs on "god" and basically spins a narrative that you aren't a "true American" if you aren't a Christian. In this past election there were campaign signs in my area for a woman running for Congress, which had "god" as her first priority, above country - I see this quite often with Christian politicians, who put god above country, and think their god should supersede the Constitution and the Ten Commandments are more important than the Bill of Rights. Just look at what is happening today with the new Q Anon Satanic Panic, just as it did in the 70s/80s/90s.

@AnomalousAnon1, don't try and pretend that Islam and Christianity are different in their requirements for converting people and being theocratic movements. Sure, Christianity as a whole is less violent these days, but let's not forget the Crusades or Salem Witch Trials, or even the more recent "Kill The Gays" law in Uganda (which was encouraged by US missionaries). The Ten Commandments specifically contradict the First Amendment. Christianity has tried to force Biblical law in the US (and other areas), so don't tell me it isn't inherently theocratic - it most definitely believes the church / god is above the law of the land. And don't try and pretend that Christianity believes in separation of church and state - all too often do I see Christians argue that it doesn't really exist, or that wasn't the intention, or it means the state can't control the church but says nothing about the church controlling the state, etc.

@JacksonNought You may also note that nowhere in my response was I in any way disparaging towards your point of view. I just observed that Islam is constantly seeking to implement its Islamic Caliphate, whereas I had not observed any evidence of a Christian theocracy anywhere in history. The last portion was merely an additional observation that any "Christian" Theocracy would in fact go against the teachings of the Christ.

@AnomalousAnon1 yes, you were more accepting. I tried to address everyone. However, it seems like the first few of the Ten Commandments, specifically that there is only one god, no others shall be allowed, he must be worshipped, etc, specifically call for obedience and putting god's law above man's.

You site all the politicians who wear a Christian patch on their coat sleeve as a danger to your much-loved secular state, a secular state which is actually secular in name only; actually, it is an anti-Christ state that is your dream. Well, an anti-Christ state is what we have and those politicians you say you fear are not going to change it, they have no real desire to change it; the platitudes they spout to their base are just that platitudes. Your wonderful do as you please dream for America is in full force and will not change because of any act of congress. Your claiming to fear phony politicians, bought and paid for by Aipac and other Israeli money is a joke. You merely have a hatred of Christ and Christians and that's fine, it's a free country, LOL, but for crying out loud, be honest about your hatred.

@lawrenceblair thank you for proving my point. You are a glowing example of what I am talking about.

These aren't politicians who wear a "Christian patch" - they are explicitly calling for the Constitution to be torn up and replaced with the Bible. They are the ones who claim all of societies ills come from not being "Christian enough" and we need to undo decades upon decades of civil rights progress. Biden is a practicing Catholic, and people like you call him phony because he respects other people's freedoms and doesn't try to force others to follow his religion. Obama was a practicing Christian, and people like you called him a "secret Muslim". Trump hasn't read a Bible in his life, and is the direct antithesis of Christian principles, and yet the Evangelicals have unwavering support of him because he will pander to them and try to force their dogma on the US.

The fact that you consider an even remotely secular society as "anti-Christ" says it all. Apparently giving people personal freedom, and creating laws based on common sense and common good rather than bronze-age fables, is someone anti-Christian to you. And you casually throw in some anti-Semitism as well. You check all the boxes!

Let's be honest about your hatred. You hate anything non-Christian. You actually do want a theocracy, and are upset that we do not have one. You are upset that these "phony politicians" who just pander are not actually trying to enforce dogma, as that is your end-goal. Apparently it bothers you that America is a free country.

@JacksonNought You are a sick deluded hater of all that is good. You take a picture of yourself and paste it over the face of those you hate to justify your hate. You deliberately twist and mutilate what another says to fit your diatribe. As I said you are a sick hater of all that is good.

@lawrenceblair "a sick deluded hater of all that is good" because I don't want a Christian theocracy. Got it.

Thank you for proving my point once again. Move to Uganda or Russia if you want it so bad.

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