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A few days ago, a member posted the following graphic which contains anti-Semitic and other inflammatory messaging. It was flagged for incivility and was removed but I would like to get your thoughts as to what should have happened. One consideration is that it is impossible for us to know if this was posted by someone who has these views (which we support someone's right to have them provided that their actions do not violate law) or by someone who is posting these around to make it look like there are many people who have obviously hateful intentions. What do you think? Do you see many of these types of graphics on other sites?

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Seems pretty standard for this community. On a related note, you have a new user named VDARE.

Should we be surprised in regards to the username? Afterall, there's a feller on here who uses Rick Wiles name, and Wiles is a known crackpot.

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Those of us who may disagree with such posts, it's always in our power to do our own posts that encourage critical thinking instead of emotionally charged rants.

100% agree.

I thought is that...this is not stating a specific point of view though. It's just making poorly-described emotional appeal. People can easily mass-spam that sort of thing, making any environment dumber.

My perspective is close to yours, but a little different. I want people to be able to discuss anything they want to discuss...so long as they actually discuss it rather than spam vague propaganda.

It can take quite awhile to make intelligent arguments. I can mass-spam a bunch of these sorts of posts in about 30 seconds.

@MrShittles Then I'd say we agree on that.

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I don’t see the anti-semitism, other than a couple of references to an unidentified “them” and “they,” but that could just as easily refer to the deep state. I have to agree with what seems to be the consensus here: offensive speech is still free speech. I’d welcome a post by a rabid anti-Semite, if they were willing to present their position logically, and be open to opposing views. (Yeah, I know: next stop, lollipops and unicorns,)

My concern is with the sudden influx of new members, and what seems to be a corresponding increase in meme posts. Hey, I’m a fan of a well ordered meme myself, and have been known to traffic in the genre if I thought it made its point. A visual poem vs. wordy prose. But lately, I open up the home page and I wonder if I logged on to Facebook by mistake. Truth is, I like wordy prose when it takes the form of a reasoned argument. What set this site apart for me was the willingness of members to actually engage in discussions about the ideas behind a particular post. Even disagreements seemed at least to be civil.

I don’t think it’s infringing on anyone’s free speech to encourage that type of interaction, as opposed to the kind of drive-by argument memes represent. Nothing wrong with a higher standard.

Agreed. I don't know what is going on, whether some YouTubers are promoting the site now, but there have been a lot of new members lately, and the homepage feed is flooded with non-stop memes now. It is hard to find the actual posts of substance anymore.

@JacksonNought I've heard some Youtubers advertise it. That's where the newbies are coming from. I'm one of them.

"A higher standard" is the excuse used by Facebook, YouTube, and the general media, in censoring conservative views and allowing unrestrained contempt by Democrats.

Those of us who choose to defend the Constitution, insist on every view being heard, which is otherwise not defined as unconstitutional, or limited by precedent.

I posted twice to the question and both posts seem to have instantly evaporated.

@Leroy_Dumonde what exactly is the JQ?

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Banning content is a slippery slope. The only exception is if it's personal against individual members. Otherwise, I'm inclined to let the members deal with it. There are 100x as many reasonable voices here as there are lunatics.

Well said, I concur.

Or an alternative might be to move all such posts to a specific group. That way only people can either avoid such material or know whee to find it if they wish to see it.

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I consider the concept of CENSORSHIP to be More Dangerous than a perceived BIAS in a Post.
I don’t particularly care for this type of post as it looks more like junk spam than anything else and it takes up real estate on my “Landing Page” but ... I can “Block” this poster if I want.
Somebody somewhere deciding what I should or should not see is NOT In MY Best Interest.

A lot of junk seems to have cropped up lately and seems to be coming in from “SLUG” and it seems to be displaying a decided downward trend in Intellectual Ability of the posters.

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I don't know. I saw it but just paged past. I should have looked up the posting member, but I generally ignore offensive posts.

Same here, I just scroll on by.

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This has been one in a series of posts by Scotman57, who claims to be a representative of god, and just posts these odd cobbled together images with no context or rationality or discussion. I am not entirely sure if this is anti-Semitic, as I can't see any references to Jewish people in it, unless I am missing something?

I do not think it is really appropriate for the site. Not because of the content or the position held by the poster (although he has advocated for the death of certain public figures) but just because the posts add nothing to the conversation or value of the site. Maybe add some context or start a discussion and don't just ramble incoherently in a tiny image.

Basically you are taking my position that the main purpose of moderation is to remove spam. I once made fun of a moderators incompetence at removing spam and was immediately banned 🙂

Determining what is and what is not spam is complicated. Not the least of which relates to sites such as this getting deplatformed by hosting companies, and payment processors. If users lack the finesse to talk about controversial topics without overtly violating social etiquette does that make them spammers?

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What's so special about anti-Semitism? Since this site was created, I've seen hundreds of uncivil, inflammatory and contemptuous posts and comments that are Islamophobic, misogynistic, anti-LGBT, etc., etc. (One of the latest members, AdrianRainbow is terrible, for example.) Have you removed them all? Of course not. And why not? All I see is your inconsistency if not your double standard, sorry to say.

Naomi Level 8 May 26, 2020

True one group seems to have immunity from criticism and people always get flagged for noticing things. All other groups it seems cart blanche. I am sure an Anti White Christian post would never get flagged by this admin for being offensive.

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What little I can see of the writing I see nothhing I would call anti-semitic. As for incivility, so what. One man's reality check, and thoughts of what is happening in the world can readily be seen as uncivil by anyone who disagrees with that view. Very poor reasoning for removing a post. A bit too much like facebook, or youtube.

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I thought this site was different.
hatred, love, smart, dumb, such is life. if you decide what people can see you are part of the problem

solopro Level 6 May 26, 2020
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I could not care less as to what the post or poster may be intimating .... I thought this site accommodated all and sundry complete with all their views.
If I recognise a poster that I have previously designated as having shit for brains, then I do not bother with further perusal... I should imagine most folk are the same.

Since you ask; as custodians and maintainers of freedom you are either going to lead by example and let the reader/contributor choose, or you are ultimately going to set your self up for a fall.

Perhaps you should set up a new group, one that specifically entertains the warped and the wayward

Felix Level 7 May 26, 2020
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This incites hatred towards shitty memes.Leave it up, yawn and scroll on.

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If it doesnt violate laws then it should be allowed to remain. Either debate the subject or ignore the post. I joined based on the premise that the site was advocating Free Speech; not just speech I don't find offensive.

Good way of looking at it.

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As this site becomes more highly utilized by serious folk who want to discuss serious issues, it must be sabotaged to appear racist, sexist, hateful, antisemitic because otherwise there’s no way we can be attacked if common sense is expressed well enough to spread elsewhere. Consequently, expect to be bombarded with these hateful memes as has occurred at Parler, Gab, and MeWe as well. Actually, if I were an exec at Facebook or Twitter, I might pay a legion of meme artists to make the competition look bad. Let’s face it, in competition, in business, anything that makes one look better than their competition will be used. I’m sure hackers will attack as well.

At this point, considering recent growth, ignore it. Each can respond with negatives when we see such things, or just pass it by. This thing is so vague I don’t recognize half the things it refers to...

vharlow Level 5 May 27, 2020

Perfectly said. Honestly.

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I don't agree with the call for 'burying' people, but censoring freedom of speech is a slippery slope.

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I’m disturbed by this person posting what I see as junk it takes up real estate on my “landing page”.
I have tried looking to see if there’s anything further and have found nothing of value.
That said, I see no reason to censor their posts on this forum.
I’d prefer to allow these than having someone decide for us what we “see”.

I thought that was what Our Personal “Blocking” Feature was about.

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No Idea - I can't even figure it out

The_Q Level 7 May 27, 2020
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I do not find the poll contains any option that makes sense to me.

Free speech, as defined in the Constitution and refined by the Supreme Court, is everything except inciting violence, pornography, and conspiracy.

This post is not inspiring to me, I find nothing interesting, nor am I learning anything by it. However, as much as I find it annoying, I believe this site is among the few remaining in which such a post may find lawful expression.

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If your motive for censorship is spam, it does not hold up. The post is not trying to sell a used car or swamp land real estate. This post is trying to spread ideas. I hope preventing the spread of ideas, distasteful to some or not, isn’t the new direction @Admin has chosen for IDW? Who is the arbiter of censorship?

Good question. Who decides?

Hello. Sadly, this site is like any other - this is my conclusion. It is delusional to think that it belongs to us. This is Admin's world. At the end of the day, he can do whatever he likes.

@Naomi
Of course, you are right. And, we are all free to bid IDW/Slug a fond farewell and migrate to one of the numerous other free speech platforms that are popping up like flies on the internet’s corpse!

@WorldSigh You could say that again!

@Naomi
Of course, you are right. And, we are all free to... 😂🤪😂

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I don't like to see freedom of speech infringed upon. Let the community's response handle situations.

Phil777 Level 6 May 27, 2020
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Why should one be banned for not liking Jews anyway? Free speech free choice. Long as not violent

Dennis Prager said this (paraphrasing) - If you don't like Jews but you don't DO anything bad to me, so what? Who cares? It is not illegal to hate people, just to DO hateful things. It is distasteful to sling it out there with no context but sometimes intelligent criticism of anybody if just called 'racist.' it is a shortcut to thinking.

If Admin were clever, and I think they are for framing this in this way... THIS is the discussion.

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Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Satire and critical argument are the most effective means of dealing with wild distortion of reality. Laugh them out of existence.

Bill801 Level 2 May 27, 2020
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IMO I feel that individuals that are using this site, or any other site, should have the ability to make one's own judgment as to viewing the subject matter they find/see. The whole idea of me wanting to come to this particular site was that this site would not make viewing decisions for me or others. While i understand illegal activities are a different matter, I don't feel that one's opinion should be banned. I also feel that if an opinion is not agreed with by the viewer, then it will be opportunity for meaningful discussion and debate.

Genisis Level 4 May 26, 2020
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Looks like an anti-deep state posting to me, what in it was anti-semitic, I agree with the part I could make out.

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Under the community guidelines the website says they have the right to remove posts for any reason.

I do not care about offensiveness, personally, so long as people argue their points. If you want to argue that we should legally be allowed to cannibalize our grandparents against their will...go for it, just as long as you make some kind of argument.

What has always bothered me is spamming poorly-thought-out catchy slogans, and emotion-tugging propaganda with little to no depth behind it. That's this. I'd like it deleted for that reason.

However, if you want to argue that Fauci is a mass murderer, or that there is some plan to euthanize all poor people, or other specific points of the poster, I want you to be able to do it somewhere...preferably here, where I can explain to you why you're wrong.

I voted "not appropriate for this site for how it discussed the views."

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I see graphics/memes like that on pretty much every social media site I had ever used, and usually either ignore or block such individuals over what amounts to ranting posts.

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