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Is free speech dead?

After being dropped from their app stores by Google and Apple without notice just days after the Capital protests, hosting provider Amazon announced yesterday that they will be removing free-speech site Parler from the Internet today citing posts that are alleged to contain violent content. As no examples where given, it is unclear if that content was any different than incendiary posts found on Twitter and Facebook during the BLM protests this summer.

Parler, a home for thousands of refugees who have been de-personed from Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter, had grown 10x since the US election to the 216th largest US website as of yesterday. While Parler hopes to be able to move to another hosting provider in the next week or so, it remains to be seen if that will be enough to keep the site available. It is possible that activists will also target domain name registrars, banks, and other services required to maintain a high-traffic website.

A Trump supporter might ask: Was this action warranted? Is there a double standard being played out for Trump and BLM/ANTIFA/Biden supporters? Do Big Tech platforms like Google, Amazon, and Apple, with a near-monopoly on online communication, have any obligation to be politically agnostic? Where does this lead?

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Do Trump supporters and those who value the 1st Amendment have viable alternatives to Big Tech?

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you've banned people from this forum.

bastion Level 7 Jan 10, 2021

Yes, about 1:3000 members get banned when they violate our guidelines... and it's mostly due to rudeness. We have to maintain a higher standard of decorum as we focus on debating controversial topics.

Try telling that to the people who have been removed from your twit brigade!
You are the biggest HYPOCRITE on the site.
My advice to you is to go back to your comrades at FB et al and bullshit them.
We won't put up with your garage here, that for sure.
Speech is all we have left now and you will get it here in bucket loads.

@Admin well there you go - you need to ban some people in order to maintain standards.

that's it everywhere.

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Those who value the 1st Amendment have viable alternatives to Big Tech, they just need to use them. You can't complain about being censored when you continue using the platform censoring you instead of alternatives.

Yes, let's compile a list of sanctuary platforms.

Paypal delisted BitChute and Voat. Voat was crippled by denial of service attacks and is now
dead. Voat was formed from refugees of reddit censorship.

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Do you guys remember when trump was going to ban tik tok?

fun times

bastion Level 7 Jan 11, 2021

Hello. Trump signed an executive order to ban TikTok because it's owned by a Chinese company, and he felt threatened by China in terms of security - it was something like that, wasn't it? I guess there is a difference between a private company terminating its own social media platform and a government authorising the termination of a private social media platform, and the latter is an act of deprivation of freedom of speech, which is not good.

@Naomi Only a communist would see this as a game, and not tyranny. But that is how communists think I guess. Actually, let me rephrase that.... a communist would understand the implications of this... only a "useful idiot" would celebrate it who does not understand the implications. But that is what I see with lefties, they think its just Trump and hahaha. They have no clue what it means and that tomorrow it will be them. They have no protection, just an illusion of thinking this is left vs right, not realizing its got nothing to do with that. Its about power, and the moment useful idiots stop being useful they will be the other thing and they too will be oppressed and censured the same way.

In totalitarian communist parties or those that model themselves on it, the system tries to perpetuate itself at the cost of everyone in it. So no one is safe. The concept of loyalty does not exist in communism. Only power and atmosphere of fear and oppression. CCP in China is an example where no has immunity.

That is why people who promote the idea of one side being banned or censured are called useful idiots. Because they are temperarally useful for political reasons, but they are idiots because they think the system they are supporting will reword them because they have been loyal? What folly.

The establishment during 9/11 try to use the "threat" of terrorism to pas the laws for "patriot act" where they can gain more power.

The Patriot Act was written following the September 11 attacks in an effort to dramatically tighten U.S. national security, particularly as it related to foreign terrorism. In general, the act included three main provisions:

  • expanded abilities of law enforcement to surveil, including by tapping domestic and international phones;
  • eased interagency communication to allow federal agencies to more effectively use all available resources in counterterrorism efforts; and
  • increased penalties for terrorism crimes and an expanded list of activities which would qualify someone to be charged with terrorism.

Now we are seeing the propaganda machine calling "American Patriots" terrorists. So they will probably pass a new law leveraging this incident of Capital Hill , "terrorist act" or something, where they can call anyone they don't like a terrorist and without trial and warrant... they would be able to do what CCP does. Oppress anyone in the world they feel like it. Part of this we have seen already during Obama years. Drone assassination of people they have in kill list. No accountability. Labeling people terrorists and putting them in Guantanamo where they can torture and abuse people with no trial indefinably. Look what they did to Julian Assange. Not a terrorist but a threat. In their mind that is how it works.

F. Fürstenberg wrote in 2007 in the New York Times [“Bush’s Dangerous Liaisons”, in connection with the French Revolution – upon the etymology of the word “terrorist”as well:

“… The word was an invention of the French Revolution, and it referred not to those who hate freedom, nor to non-state actors, nor, of course, to ‘Islamofascism’. A ‘terroriste’ was, in its original meaning, a Jacobin leader who ruled France during La Terreur. (Reign of Terror)”

La Terreur. (Reign of Terror) - refers to a period during the French Revolution after the First French Republic was established in which multiple massacres and public executions occurred in response to revolutionary fervor, anti-clerical sentiment, and frivolous accusations of treason by Maximilien Robespierre and his Committee of Public Safety.

Several historians consider the "reign of terror" to have begun in 1793, placing the starting date at either 5 September, June or March (birth of the Revolutionary Tribunal), while some consider it to have begun in September 1792 (September Massacres), or even July 1789 (when the first killing took place), but there is a consensus that it ended with the fall of Maximilien Robespierre in July 1794 as this led to the Thermidorian Reaction.

Between June 1793 and the end of July 1794, there were 16,594 official death sentences in France, of which 2,639 were in Paris.

What we saw with Parler and Trump is the digital equivalent of "Reign of Terror". But how long before it goes offline too.
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“The Marxians love of democratic institutions was a stratagem only, a pious fraud for the deception of the masses. Within a socialist community there is no room left for freedom.” ― Ludwig Von Mises

“[T]he useful idiots, the leftists who are idealistically believing in the beauty of the Soviet socialist or Communist or whatever system, when they get disillusioned, they become the worst enemies. That’s why my KGB instructors specifically made the point: never bother with leftists. Forget about these political prostitutes. Aim higher. [...] They serve a purpose only at the stage of destabilization of a nation. For example, your leftists in the United States: all these professors and all these beautiful civil rights defenders. They are instrumental in the process of the subversion only to destabilize a nation. When their job is completed, they are not needed any more. They know too much. Some of them, when they get disillusioned, when they see that Marxist-Leninists come to power—obviously they get offended—they think that they will come to power. That will never happen, of course. They will be lined up against the wall and shot.” ― Yuri Bezmenov

@Krunoslav Do you remember when Trump was going to ban tik tok - very orwellian!

@bastion You don't get the point do you? TickTock was designed to be orwelian, genius? What do you think CCP was doing on TikTok, watching cat videos? Or spaying its own people and other countries? You are not very good at this are you?

@Krunoslav, @bastion
When I said 'there is a difference between a private company terminating its own social media platform and a government authorising the termination of a private social media platform, and the latter is an act of deprivation of freedom of speech, which is not good', I was actually thinking of Hitler. It is generally believed that the Nazis hated socialists. So, both communists and Nazis would play the same game according to your comment, i.e., both a communist government and a fascist government would authorise the termination of a social media platform to shut down free speech if they see it fit.

@Naomi Well Nazis or National Socialism was domestic German brand of communism. Socialism is just an empty term, acting as placeholder for various totalitarian regimes. Socialism cannot exist in practice since its economically impossible and politically very anti social.

And they did hate communists, not because of methods but because of lack of nationality which Hitler was promoting. And on both Stalin and Hitler side of things there was both paranoia that one will attack the other or team up with their enemies.

And off course they would take control over all means of communication. Just like we are seeing now being attempted online and short of seaszing Internet Providers like they do in China, they are really limiting all the political dissidents just like in Nazi Germany, Communist China, Russia, Cuba etc, North Korea and off course Fascist Italy was no exception. Ultimately they are all totalitarian regimes with various flavors. Off course UK with their hate crimes and hate speech laws being proposed and some in practice , the censorship in government buildings and universities and schools.... very much communist approach.

Development of Communist states

Lenin became the dictator of the world’s first communist state. Civil War broke out in Russia in late 1917 after the Bolshevik Revolution. The warring factions included the Red and White Armies. The Russian Civil War ended in 1923 with Lenin’s Red Army claiming victory and establishing the Soviet Union.

During the 20th century, the world's first constitutionally socialist state was in Russia in 1917. In 1922, it joined other former territories of the empire to become the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR). After World War II, the Soviet Army occupied much of Eastern Europe and thus helped establish Communist states in these countries. Most Communist states in Eastern Europe were allied with the Soviet Union, except for Yugoslavia which declared itself non-aligned. In 1949, after a war against Japanese occupation and a civil war resulting in a Communist victory, the People's Republic of China (PRC) was established. Communist states were also established in Cambodia, Cuba, Laos and Vietnam. A Communist state was established in North Korea, although it later adopted its own ideology called Juche. In 1989, the Communist states in Eastern Europe collapsed under public pressure during a wave of non-violent movements which led to the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991. Today, the existing Communist states in the world are in China, Cuba, Laos and Vietnam.

These Communist states often do not claim to have achieved socialism or communism in their countries—rather, they claim to be building and working toward the establishment of socialism in their countries. For example, the preamble to the Socialist Republic of Vietnam's Constitution states that Vietnam only entered a transition stage between capitalism and socialism after the country was re-unified under the Communist Party in 1976 and the 1992 Constitution of the Republic of Cuba states that the role of the Communist Party is to "guide the common effort toward the goals and construction of socialism"

Georgian-born revolutionary Joseph Stalin rose to power upon Lenin’s death in 1924. The dictator ruled by terror with a series of brutal policies, which left millions of his own citizens dead. During his reign—which lasted until his death in 1953—Stalin transformed the Soviet Union from an agrarian society to an industrial and military superpower.

The Great Purge

Amid confusion and resistance to collectivization in the countryside, agricultural productivity dropped. This led to devastating food shortages. Millions died during the Great Famine of 1932-1933. For many years the USSR denied the Great Famine, keeping secret the results of a 1937 census that would have revealed the extent of loss. Stalin eliminated all likely opposition to his leadership by terrorizing Communist Party officials and the public through his secret police.

During the height of Stalin’s terror campaign, a period between 1936 and 1938 known as the Great Purge, an estimated 600,000 Soviet citizens were executed. Millions more were deported, or imprisoned in forced labor camps known as Gulags.

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I like in here at Slug and Minds.com

Parler ask for a cellphone number, not a good idea imo, but so did twitter to me for confirmation of the account.

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@Admin On a side note, notice how on here no one is complaining about the topic of the day posts being pinned to the top of the feed as compared to the complaining from some on the sister site? That says alot...

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A couple other choices are Dlive and Bit Tube TV. It all depends what your looking for. To replace FB use gab or parler. To replace YT start with Bitchute,Odysee,Rumble and Brighteon. As for internet browser start using Brave. If you have a Chromebook download Bit browser. It starts by using these sites more. As for email there is Proton mail.

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Yes, many choices. Gab, Parler,Slug,153news.net,Bitchute,Odysee,Rumble,Brand New Tube, Brighteon come to mind.

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