Re-read my first paragraph to see if I have bias . As this is a "question of the day" type post, I can't really come out and say "The US and China are escalating the stealth war" can I? People need to dust off their copy of The Art of War to see how to win a war without being in a war.

@Admin
I did read it ... and the rest of it as well ... I understand that you have your reasons to view this in an opposite view of the Question you posed but ...

The Question was still couched in a manner reflecting a bias and the question is what I was addressing ... answering.

I know several Chinese Nationals many who have become US Citizens or are working towards becoming one.
I had a long term relationship with a Chinese National escapee that I assisted in her preparation for her Citizenship Test ... just the studying for it ... and, through her I became an acquaintance of much of the Chinese Enclaves and People of Manhattan, Brooklyn and Cleveland.

Due to my highly inquisitive nature, I had many long conversations in various forms of broken english with a great many people. I came to understand their views and thoughts about China, their Culture and the Government ... and their concerns about what was happening in the USA in reference to China.

Honestly, they are more concerned about the USA’s Future than most US Citizens seem to be.
It seems, that once you’ve Grown Up and Lived under such a Regime, that you tend to pay more attention to signs of it coming to your New Home ...
Much like Ayn Rand’s concerns when she wrote Atlas Shrugged and Foundations.

What do you think will be the retaliation by China?

@Admin your guess is as good as mine. China is always clever and always plays the long game. We always forget they aren’t hamstrung by term limits, election funding, legislative gridlock, a hostile media, and constant right/left infighting. Their power is staggering.

President Trump at least recognizes this. The administration needs to keep standing up to Beijing. If, or when, the Chinese replace the US as the world’s top economy, the real turmoil begins.

@GeeMac Good book... "Stealth War"

@Admin
Let them “react”.

Currently, THEY Need US Far More than WE Need Them.
If We react with a Total Trade Embargo ... Throw Out ALL Chinese Nationals ... CLOSE ALL Their Embassies ...
I’m pretty sure that the CCP ... China ... will find they have an acute case of appendicitis.

@Admin great video! Now I have to look for the book. Thanks.

I really hear you with the scared for Trump sentiment. It's not only ok to ridicule your President. It's now not ok to support him. I mean, it's everywhere in MSM. They keep pushing like if Trump gets elected that's literally going to destroy America. The idiocy is that the ones that are screaming the loudest about it are the ones literally burning down our country.

@saramarylop3z

The Propaganda is almost a direct mirroring of what Goebel's did for the Nazi's. I should look up the 12 or so types of propaganda and post the list. It's like the DNC and the media are just going down the list.

@Tarpon Normally I'd say that's an exaggeration. But, seriously, there is this huge push to get Biden in and Trump out. I can't tell if Twitter is influencing the MSM, or if the MSM is influencing Twitter anymore. Little to no actual Biden talking (mostly MSM interpreting what he's saying), and non stop negative talk about Trump. I'm unsure at this point if the MSM actually thinks Trump is evil, or if they're just capitalizing on their production of sensationalized news. Either way, from what I watched in the Barr hearing, it's not just the MSM out to grab up some of that "power of Trump hate". It's extremely disturbing

You always smell a rat.

We spent 4 years investigating the Russian interference in our elections and found almost nothing. It's almost as if it was a distraction from China who we know are somewhat effective at and planning to interfere. It's pretty clearly a case of follow the money. A lot of people got rich off of transferring slave labor and pollution to China in Western nations. They don't want the gravy train stopped. It's reminiscent of another fascist government and the reluctance of the rich and powerful to take the threat seriously.

@wolfhnd

I don't know which people you are speaking about, but there is a way to find fact from fiction.

"We spent 4 years investigating..."

Was there a Court date? Are there Trial Transcripts?

I don't always smell a rat, that is a ridiculous (false) statement. Rat smell is emitted along with the lies told, they are intimately connected.

@Josf-Kelley

There was a Senate trial, and you can read the transcription.

@wolfhnd

So..."we" are people in the Senate? A link to the subject matter you refer to would be useful to those who may want to know what you are referring to.

"We spent 4 years investigating the Russian interference in our elections and found almost nothing."

Is there a named suspect who is accused of something specific, such as "treason" or "trading with the enemy," or are you referring to an ambiguous non-accusation made by unnamed non-accusers who prefer ambiguity just in case they are held to account for their non-accusations of nothing specific?

Also, they are not "our" elections. The process is of, by, and for those in power: a faction.

@Josf-Kelley

I don't think a link to the impeachment proceedings or trial is necessary.

The Senate is set up to be isolated from the people because as you can see from the people's house's actions in the impeachment the people are a mob.

@wolfhnd

Ok, so there are these criminals assembled in a "house," and you are now telling me that "the people are a mob," because of what those criminals do?

So...everyone (except you perhaps) is a Mob, or you and those people in the Senate are exceptional, and therefore not a mob?

I'm going to attempt to put myself in the shoes of a criminal who counterfeits the law and from that viewpoint I will explain the dogma required to pull off the confidence scheme.

We, the criminal mob, must convince our victims that only our special abilities will save our victims from themselves. Our victims must be made to fear each other, and our victims must then be offered two possible solutions to their fearful state that we put them in.

1. Evil (the mob, themselves, or another mob, another foreign mob, run by the mob)
2. Lesser Evil (us, our non-mob, we must convince them that we are not a mob, unlike them)

Those are the choices offered to the fearful masses who are made to fear themselves.

If, by chance, some of the people are not fooled, and those people assemble into groups of people who prefer rule of law, those disobedient people will be falsely advertised as The Mob, guilty of mobbing, and guilty of supporting mob like thoughts, and mob like actions.

This is not a discovery, it is a well established fact that matters.

The People's Panel
The Grand Jury in the United States, 1634 - 1941
Richard D. Younger

Page 3

"They proved their effectiveness during the Colonial and Revolutionary periods in helping the colonists resist imperial interference. They provided a similar source of strength against outside pressure in the territories of the western United States, in the subject South following the Civil War, and in Mormon Utah. They frequently proved the only effective weapon against organized crime, malfeasance in office, and corruption in high places.
"But appreciation of the value of grand juries was always greater in times of crisis, and, during periods when threats to individual liberty were less obvious, legal reformers, efficiency experts, and a few who feared government by the people worked diligently to overthrow the institution. Proponents of the system, relying heavily on the democratic nature of the people's panel, on its role as a focal point for the expression of the public needs and the opportunity provided the individual citizen for direct participation in the enforcement of law, fought a losing battle. Opponents of the system leveled charges of inefficiency and tyranny against the panels of citizen investigators and pictured them as outmoded and expensive relics of the past. Charges of "star chamber" and "secret inquisition" helped discredit the institution in the eyes of the American people, and the crusade to abolish the grand jury, under the guise of bringing economy and efficiency to local government, succeeded in many states."

The People (the mob so-called) are as one when The People abide by a simple Rule of Law.

Do unto others as you would have others do to you.

The People can divide into two obvious groups: 1. Law abiding 2. Criminals

Criminals alone tend to be less powerful than criminals who work together sharing the goal of injuring innocent people. Criminals working in an organized manner are known as Organized Criminals: The Mob.

When criminals counterfeit governments, they tend to call those people who abide by the law, the moral people, names that mischaracterize those law abiding people. Criminal Mobs who counterfeit The Law often call The People (who remain lawful) as The Mob, when The People assemble in groups for the purpose of holding to account The Criminal Mobs that counterfeit government.

@Josf-Kelley

What I'm saying is you and perhaps not even you are "moral" enough to live in your utopia.

@wolfhnd

Perhaps you have me mistake with your imagination. I do not delude myself with visions of utopia, as your words may suggest. If your opinion is such that my words describe a utopia, where people are not "moral" enough to live, then the symbols I used failed to convey the intended message to you.

@dd54 We all know what Jacinda is down here... yet like the Canadians and Justin, they keep voting her in.

Yes, sad but true. Trump should say “... or open your market to us telecom”.

@Admin
NO.
Trump should tell them to Pack Up Their ENTIRE Kit and Kaboodle and GO HOME!!!
When They learn to “Play Fair” and “Get Along” with the rest of the “Kids” we can THINK about letting them back in.

In the meantime, EVERY Chance, EVERY Crack, EVERY Seam that They can EXPLOIT, They WILL EXPLOIT.
I think Isolating ... Shunning ... them is probably the BEST we can do to avoid Outright War.

Would love to... but then China will just block access to it as they did before. They want to have access to read all messages and content shared.

@Admin Valid point, but don't think there's an easy way around that, the Chinese Government is ban happy. If there's something they don't approve of, it will just get banned.

@dd54 Ditto.

@dd54

The CCP is here to stay over the short term. That doesn't mean that everyone in China is happy with the CCP. We need a strategy that weakens the CCP but doesn't alienate the Chinese people. Economic sanctions didn't bring down the Soviet Union, competition did. Unlike Russia the CCP is going to engage in massive military spending regardless of what we do. They can afford it not because we trade with them but because like all competent fascists the CCP allowed capitalism to be their economic muscle. The Soviets did everything they could to suppress economic growth. Trump's strategy is that if the Chinese play fair they will lose. That doesn't mean he is naive enough to think they will play fair. The thing is that eventually the Chinese people will realize that cheating is a short term strategy and their government is an obstacle to bring integrated into a world economic system that requires fair play.

So who is trying to stop Trump from playing the long game? The never Trump elitists in both parties. Their mascot could be John Rockefeller who said competition is evil. For decades they have profited not from productivity but market manipulation. The Banksters, Globalists, and Corporatists love exploiting Chinese slave labor and exporting pollution to China. It keeps the masses calm while they grow richer and more powerful. The Biddens of the world lick up the scraps.

Then you have conservative intellectuals like George Will who live in a prestige bubble. They are as ideologically possessed as the far left which they have found common ground with in their hatred of Trump. The intellectual right is as much a cult as the "social justice" movement. They both have purity tests that destroy anyone who doesn't completely conform. It is very much a case of the perfect being the enemy of the good. The same types tried to profit from the Nazis until it was too late. Exhibit A is Prescott Sheldon Bush. They live in a world where the magic of capitalism works without the liberal democracy that gets in the way of profits. Just take a look at our prestigious economists if you want to see how cults work, despite decades of wildly inaccurate forecasts they keep their prestige because it is not a meritocratic but ideological hierarchy.

@dd54 The pieces are indeed in place for the leftists to take control in a possibly bloodless coup. Biden is incapable of leadership, and is not running his campaign. If successful he will not last a year and a faceless operator will hold the highest levels of command in the US. Who he picks as Veep is irrelevant. His election will be either the end of the republic, or the “Fort Sumpter” of CW II.

That is one of many risks and a valid point.

In a perfect world you wouldn't ban anything but there is a difference between individual free speech and government propaganda, subversion, and espionage.

I’ve a dozen Chinese friends who I’ll lose easy access to. China will become isolated.

@Admin That's the biggest problem that I have with this. The isolation. So, in my digging I found some claims about information and data theft, as well as some claims that information on Americans can be weaponized? It's pretty confusing. Plus, most of the articles I've seen come off as more opinion pieces sprinkled with a little bit of facts. Still digging.

@Admin
Oh well ... too bad ...
That won’t be OUR Fault ... now will it?

The CHINESE People must Ultimately be Held Responsible for the CHINESE Government.