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Are camgirls a net benefit or harm to society?

Pay-per-minute or tip-based erotic cam shows have become a multi-billion dollar industry in the last 20 years with over 60,000 independent or studio models (note: about 30% are men/trans) currently employed worldwide. While top models make $25,000 or more per month, most make less than $1,000 depending on hours and their relative sex appeal (meritocracy). The camgirl business is also up 25% with many people forced home due to Covid restrictions and having time, and other things, on their hands.

While there are financial and safety benefits for cam models, the work is emotionally demanding and has downsides for both the models and society at large. What do you think?

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They're a definite benefit to society in that they provide women with few skills a means of making income that assists society. They're a benefit to the rest of society in the same way most of the sex industry is. The drive for intercourse can, of course, leads to lots of positives...but it's a drive we don't get the choice not to have. The sex industry gives men, in particular, and also presumably women, more of an alternative option to getting into relationships they don't wish to have.

Furthermore, the sex drive in general, even for loving couples, sometimes leaves someone with un-fullfilled cravings and the sex industry can fulfull those cravings in the way too. The sex industry is one of those inventions by humanity that, as they often to, were designed to make up for Mother Nature's flaws in our design. As usual, if it feels good and it doesn't seem to be hurting anybody, it's probably a good thing.

Now prostitution, on the other hand...whether that causes more harm or benefits is a lot more debatable. It's a much riskier endeavor, but strip clubs and camgirls are pretty much a harmless way of dealing with things.

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Harmless titillation. But a warning notice might be a good idea.
"This is a money making endeavor. For fun only. They are not in love with you." !

The warning can be posted... it will be ignored though.
Speaking from experience, they fall for you, they want your address so they can send you gifts (pro tip: have an amazon wish list with the address hidden), they want to take you on dates, they get jealous... you have to be a very good salesperson and believable actress to balance these things.

@ktpinto OK .... 🙂 taking your advice I'll give it ago. 🙂 wish me luck

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What is the downside for society at large? It is no different in pros and cons than most other entertainment industries, such as TV / Film, Theater, Comics, Art, Books, Sports, Music, Video Games, Amusement Parks, or other recreation.

@Thaw I don't see it as "no reason". See my other comment to you.

@Thaw yeah but you can say that about a great many things. You can say infertile people shouldn't have sex. You can say that homosexuals should suppress their attraction. You can say that any non-coitus, non-for-procreation sex is troublesome. Humans have urges and addictive personalities, which doesn't just apply to sex - it can apply to alcohol, drugs, sugar, gambling, shopping, coffee, driving fast, social media... you name it. Why single out sex?

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Why such a desire to control other people?
Why can consenting adults not do between what themselves what they wish?
Why do you think we need to force our own personal moral standards onto others... Especially if this is done in the privacy of their own home?

What if I decide you worshipping your selected deity cause “net harm to society “?

Hanno Level 8 July 7, 2020

@Thaw somehow I suspect that if masterbation were really harmful to greater society we (the human population) would have collapsed into oblivion a very long time ago...jus say'n.
One of my favorite lines from the movies: Woody Allen in Annie Hall:

@Thaw
Excellent reply, Sir!

@Thaw
You mean like Finland where no one except a small fraction are all atheists...
Or you mean like the Netherlands where this has all been legalised and they have the lowest incidence of rape and sexual assault in the world, and yes the vast majority are atheists.

Or did you mean the most religious countries I the world where slavery still exist and woman are treated like property?

@Thaw, @WorldSigh

Of course neither of you have EVER slapped the banana a bit...

@Thaw one masturbation is sinful - millions of masturbations are what - a statistic? LOL
I'm pretty sure that masturbation has been going on with much greater frequency throughout humanities time of existence than you care to imagine.

@iThink
Not only that, it is well documented among many animals... female chimpanzees spends considerable time a day doing it... it was one of the first incidences notes of tool use among animals.
The researchers were too prude to publish it at first and the ant catcher was recorded first in writings... although later they confessed twigs were first observed being used for self gratification.

@Thaw

Yes,
That should be your concern... not what some lonely guy who cannot get laid does.

@Thaw just wondering - assuming you are male and that you developed normally as males do ...did you go to confession after your first wet dream?

@Hanno
You do seem to enjoy employing the straw man argument.
One final attempt at communication then.
The question posed by @Admin had nothing to do with your rights. We all agree that we all have the right to choke the chicken in the privacy of our personal screening rooms. The question up for discussion is this: "Are camgirls a net benefit or harm to society?"

@scotirishviet I used the joke - not the "Jew"...racist much? Hate Jews do ya...yes Woody Allen is a sexual deviant but that doesn't make the joke unfunny.

@scotirishviet I wouldn't block you in a million years...and I am not censoring your language. I'm saying the fact of his Jewishness was in no way relevant to the dialog and YOU brought it up - not me. Which I interpret to mean that you have a somewhat visceral problem with Jewishness. Otherwise why bring it up.

I like the dialog - the back and forth. we both say what we really think without fear of being censored. Challenging your speech is NOT the same as censoring you.

If you have negative ideas and feelings about Jews I invite you to share them.
Perhaps in a different post/thread but you have a right to say whatever you like about Jews, Blacks, Whites...just expect to get oppositional feedback pro and con.

I have noticed a LOT of people around here on IDW community who clearly do not like Jews - to put it kindly. I think that's a racist and illogical attitude. If that's what you believe fine but don't expect me or anyone else to ignore it. ok? 🙂

@iThink You realize Woody Allen is accused of having sex with his underage daughter and married a young woman he helped to raise. I hardly think he's a role model when it comes to healthy sexual relationships.

@ThomasinaPaine of course I know that - I am not defending Woody Allen. I used his joke/line from Annie Hall and someone else (won't mention her name) brought up Woody Allens Jewishness. The comments I made had nothing at all to do with child abuse nor Jewishness. Ok? 🙂

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Can't say for sure if that be a harm or benefit to society, but in what should be a free society any consenting adult should be free to pursue the career of their choice. I have a feeling even if there were laws in place to curb such, that type of work would continue on in the underground.

Replace "career" with "job" and I'm still hanging with your comment. Let's not pretend that cam girl is a career path. Do you think they'll still have steady income at it when they're over 40?

I don't believe in laws. Like at all. Good people don't need them and bad people will break them. I do believe, however, in teaching morality. I don't think that turning friendship, companionship, and sex into occupations does any good for society or the individual. It degrades the value of these relationships and reduces them to activities instead of something meaningful and profound.

What's next paying your dog to watch TV with you?

@ThomasinaPaine More like temporary career choice then, or job as you said, either one is fine with me.

Regarding the second part of your reply, for the most part I'm inclined to agree, but there are exceptions. Over the years I've personally known some individuals who did not have any sexual/companionship perversions and even so that didn't prevent their marriages from ending. I mostly agree though, sex work occupations don't exactly have the most positive influence on society.

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To imply cam girls are a net benifit . Is a stretch.
But in a fair captilist , free market. ( Controlled) world . If there's a market. There's a supply., freedom.
I stress Controlled free market , because that helps eliminate the top heavy monopoly . At least put in restrictions.. Nothing's perfect , nothing ever will be. But somehow trying to push controls onto services you don't like or agree with . Youre no better than the tyrants freedom oposses.

@Thaw "build it and they will come" (no pun intended)

The reason the libertarian party has not been successful has nothing to do with a top down structure of economics. It has everything to do with a seemingly concentrated desire to do without law enforcement - or in the minds of the libertarians I have encountered "authoritarianism".

IMHO libertarians willfully try to dismiss the necessity for formal/legal maintaining of law and order. Somehow libertarians seem to believe that the people can regulate themselves. To me this is another way of saying "we're ok with an every man for himself" arrangement.
This is basically the law of the jungle. Might is right - the strongest dominate and weak can just die off...IMHO.

@Thaw Well said. When you have 4 banks that control the 147 companies the run the world, demand is already manipulated to the point where humans have the attention span and philosophy of a woodchuck.

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When you make people into sex objects the culture will suffer in many ways. This is the reason for Morals from many religions thru the centuries. The total freedom ruse is a cop out. Tribalism was like we are getting now, and morality was the reason for civilization and what it was built upon. It's easy to understand why the Marxist are against morality as they are always for anarchy.

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I have always been of the opinion that prostitution itself is, like government a necessary evil. In fact Gov't and prostitution have much more in common with one another than differences between them. Each of them sells their clients on things that are although fundamentally needed, desired they do not come (no pun intended) cheaply and they only offer short lived "fixes" or satisfactions.
I think human sexuality has been established as a fundamental and necessary aspect to human beings as basic; instinctual even.
The fact is that many thousands of people (mostly males) have little or no opportunity to express their natural sexual needs and prostitution and pornography is the easiest most expedient way for them to find release.
I tend to believe that without the accessibility and availability of sexual prostitution and pornography there could well be a much greater and less desirable (to society) occasions of crimes like rape, indecent public exposure, stalking etc.

I am truly a layman on the subject of human psychology and I certainly make no claim to know anything about psycho-sexual psychology pathologies.
Perhaps my thinking on the topic at hand is too linear. "if this - then that". Don't know.
But it seems to me that suppressed sexuality almost always leads to inappropriate and illegal expressions of said sexuality.
I have always believed that Prostitution and recreational use (self medicating?) of drugs and alcohol should be decriminalized but regulated. I believe it would greatly reduce crime and would in the long run provide for greater safety and for opportunities to change for the better prostitutes and drug abusers.
Suppression of human basic needs and instincts only leads to hopeless misery. The real contradiction of these suppressive laws and rules is that they are implemented, encacted and enforced (violently) in the name of Godliness and high morals. Laws that lead to more human suffering are NOT Godly and they are NOT moral. IMHO...jus sayn' LOL

iThink Level 9 July 7, 2020
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I was a webcam girl for a few years to make some extra money. All it basically is is a sales job, with all the annoyances that come with it.

ktpinto Level 7 July 7, 2020

you bio is intriguing...I look forward to your posts and comments / opinions on things

@iThink That's very of you to say. Thank you. 🙂

@scotirishviet her bio says she is a published author and she looks for intellectual conversation...I am very interested in such. Is there something wrong about that? ha! If you have read very many of my posts and comments you will see that I am a bit of a frustrated writer myself (unpublished but with a passion for the well written essay and composition and book - fiction and non-fiction) and that I tend to overthink - intellectualize all the time. I also hope that my sense of humor comes through. BTW I'm an Irishman myself - American born but very Irish. My grandfather immigrated from Ireland in late 19th century.

@iThink I read your message and did not think "thirsty" at all.
@Scotirishviet I appreciate you being protective, but there really was no need for that. With the types of jobs I've had - and have - I have a "thirsty" radar, and that didn't even register as such. Thanks again! 🙂

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BTW I am no expert in the physiology of the human being but the pic you used looks like a man with man made tits - a tranny as they say. LOL

iThink Level 9 July 7, 2020

@scotirishviet there is body mass there that looks masculine to me. Shoulders, clavicle bones, biceps, thickness of the abdomen...but like I said. I am no expert.

BTW you do know that transsexuals get work done on their rumps, waists, face, legs...body sculpting I think they call it - if they have the money to spend they can pretty much have their entire body reshaped to look feminine.
Then add the HRT - voila you got an XY chromosome person (usually with penis and testes intact) who looks superficially top to bottom like an XX chromosome person.

@scotirishviet they often get reconstruction of their facial bone structure. Reshape the jaw, the chin, the nose and brow...seriously there are some you would NEVER guess until they show their penis...its, freaky.
I have seen some women with some manly looking hands and men with long delicate looking fingers - Same with feet.

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Camgirls are definitely harmful to society. Porn addiction is very real. Endorphins released during masturbation have a similar chemical structure to morphine. And, like morphine, they activate the body’s opiate receptors. As with any addiction, it may lead to isolation and detachment from reality when used as a replacement for actual social interaction (sorry MGTOW fans, deep down you know it’s true).

Perhaps, the worst aspect of the online porn industry is the fact that there are basically zero effective filters for children. Anyone, with the basic ability to point and click, can access a plethora of any variety of porn, including free camgirl teasers. Does anybody really imagine that supplying millions of unsupervised and emotionally undeveloped, preteen, children with a limitless library of highly addictive, opiate receptor activating, virtual sex is not harmful to them, and by extension society?

Perhaps parents should be involved in their childrens' lives, and actually parent?

@JacksonNought
As much as I often disagree with you, you are spot on there.

@JacksonNought
In a perfect world, we would not be having this discussion. The reality is that millions of children surf the net inadequately or even completely unsupervised. The neural pathways, created and reinforced through habituation and artificial hormonal stimulation, may engender an adult population of good consumers (endorphin production is also elevated when making product purchases); however, lifelong addiction to an endorphin rush only serves to pad quarterly sales figures.

Hmmmm. Morphine...

@cRaZyTMG
Indeed

@JacksonNought Parents should parent but given that their influence extends to maximum 2-3 waking hours a day between the 40-50 hour work week required to afford a house, car, and a college education and the 4-5 hours a night of homework required for kids to attend a university I'm not sure where they have time to instill the same level of values they did when people were living in one room houses on the prairie and working the field together.

@ThomasinaPaine, @WorldSigh,

Why is this limited to camgirls or porn then? There are way worse things to see on the internet other than people getting naked. Heck, some of the things people post on this site aren't suitable for kids. There is so much hate, bullying, violence, and the worst of humanity freely available for any kid to stumble across online. And quite often the kids are more technologically literate than the parents, so they'll always find a way. It's no different than older times when you had kids sneaking out of the house, underage drinking, and smoking weed (and I assume they still do).

Why are we going after people freely engaging in commerce in a free society. It reeks of stone age prudishness, no different than trying to ban same sex marriage because "how will I explain it to my kids"?

@JacksonNought The question was about cam girls not children googling IED explosions. Should parents keep their kids from watching humans turn into confetti? Yes I would say that's probably a good idea.

That wasn't the question, tho.

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One of the goals for society at large is to rear and raise the following generations. The long term vision, as idyllicly pictured in the show "Parenthood," is to build a family that can weather the tragedies of life and promote a better future. This future, I believe, is also very fulfilling to the parents that create it. Not getting married, divorce, choosing not to have children, gender dysphoria and confusion, etc... are all things that prevent a would be parent from achieving this long term goal.

Obsessive interest in pornography has been linked to divorce in several studies.

@robblair like the thoughts. Just curious... what’s the deal with pic of Craig Nelson and folks?

@danscott Just a picture for illustration. Grandparents surrounded by their children and grandchildren at a great Thanksgiving feast.

@RobBlair wow. That family has a lot of actors. Are you sure it wasn’t a picture of all that auditioned for the relaunch of Coach?

@danscott - You are taking me off post. I watched much of the show and enjoyed it. That's not the exact image I wanted. There is one where they are sitting down to an outside meal, but thought it sufficed. Hate doing the race thing; It makes us all idiots. But if you prefer, I like this one too -

I look at this one and say Wow-those old people in the middle did all this.

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It is funny how we all jump up and down protecting freedom of speech, but god-forbid you do something in private that affects no one else but you and the supplier.

The fundamental question remains... who gives you the right to say what other people do?

Do they then have a right to tell you what you are to do or not?

Yet the same people who here who call out Marxist for telling them how to live their lives are the people telling others what they can and cannot do.

Any one able to spell hypocrite?

Hanno Level 8 July 7, 2020

Civil rights is not the topic under discussion. No one here is telling others how how they must live.
@Admin posed the question: "Are camgirls a net benefit or harm to society?"
Since, the internet brings porn of every variety into virtually every home, young unsupervised children are exposed to it. (See my comment below on how porn adversely effects children) This is much more than something you do "in private that affects no one else but you and the supplier." You have the right to indulge your appetite for virtual sex. This does not change the reality that camgirls are harmful to society.

To quote Paul "I may do all things but not all things are good for me." The question was about the benefits to society not whether social ills should be made illegal. I am not for drug laws but I wouldn't dare make the argument that heroin was good for individuals or society.

I've read through this entire chain but maybe I missed the comment who believes it should be made illegal.

People are allowed to have opinions on an industry and you are allowed to disagree and put money into it. What you aren't going to do, at least not with me, is shame me into supporting you by pretending I'm trying to prevent you from using your own money to jerk off. I'm not. Flog the log all day. Pay or not pay the cam girls. IDGAF.

What I'm saying is that there is no value to society--the question being asked. There isn't. We aren't better for cam girls. In fact, you could say that we are worse for it. Instead of learning how to have healthy relationships with a partner based off of trust, conversation, non-sexual and sexual activities people are wasting their time paying someone to act for them.

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Virtual prostitution? Yeah, I’m sure someone was posting this same pearl-clutching question in the 1950’s when Playboy magazine debuted.

This is an age where prostitution is valourized. Vancouver actually has a monument “honouring” prostitutes, who are now given the stigma-free title of “sex trade workers.” So I’d say regardless of any downside, and there are plenty, digital sex is at least much safer than street soliciting and physical contact.

And for me the poll smacks of sticking your nose in someone’s business. If people wish to engage in virtual prostitution form the privacy of their own homes, that’s their decision.

(The monument, below, by the way is a 15 foot high antique street pole topped with a large red light)

GeeMac Level 8 July 7, 2020

I think that monument is very cool! 🙂

The question was about is it valuable to society. It wasn't: should we make it illegal. It was asking if it had any value to society. The fact that people are reacting like a toddler having their wubbie taken away says quite a lot about the addiction to consequence and value free sex.

@ThomasinaPaine I’m not even sure if value is a worthwhile question. We could make an argument for or against anything: eating meat, welfare, video games. Outlawing drugs has failed to achieved much. In a free society — within reason — people get to decide for themselves, even when they choose to engage in harmful behaviour.

@ThomasinaPaine
“The question was about is it valuable to society. It wasn't:”
Whether or not it is an Addiction or should be viewed as such.

@Bay0Wulf Whether or not it is an addiction, whether or not it leads to sex trafficking--both with adequate research to say "yes", etc There is no net value to society. Individuals get their rocks off so it has value to the individual who masturbated but not enough value that he doesn't continue to need an image versus his own imagination.

[antipornography.org]

@ThomasinaPaine
So your answer is ... after everything ... “a net harm to society”.
Its good to live in a World where one may have an opinion ... no?

Still you associate it with “Addiction” and use several sources that validate your opinion to support your contention. You realize that makes it a pretty fallible argument as I could probably go out and dig up lots of contrary sources.

Or, I could simply point to thousands of “Women’s Books” like Harlequin Romance, Silhouette, Rosemary Rogers and ... even Playgirl and Cosmopolitan and wonder if their popularity wasn’t founded in pornography as well?

@Bay0Wulf I associate it with addiction for some, lack of economic choice for women (high inflation, changing standards of living, stagnant wages, etc), increasing internet usage and lack of outdoor appreciation, selfishness versus selflessness, inability to define value in any other terms than monetary, etc.

Yes. I think it adds no net value to society. I will agree that individuals may find some instant gratification from it.

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Hilarious song about female masturbation: enjoy!

iThink Level 9 July 7, 2020
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The ONLY problem I see with online porn is that it is near impossible to prevent minors/children from accessing it.
Dad hid his nudie magazines in his room - digital porn is a whole new game where children (as viewers/consumers - NOT as victims) are concerned. Child victims of sex industry and sex abuse is a whole different matter.

iThink Level 9 July 7, 2020

Well, good webcam sites are password protected, and the one I was on lets the ladies choose the age range, genders, etc that they want to cater to (mine was 21+).
Actually, aren't porn sites password protected too? My password is saved on the app, so I don't know if you can access porn without it...
But I guess, thinking about it, you can find porn elsewhere on the 'net easily. Sadly, you can find anything easily on the 'net, so that could be the downside of any industry.

Only for parents that don't care

@ktpinto IMHO - since I am merely a layman and not an expert on these matters - Porn (adult content) sites and gambling sites are out there and really there is no way that I can think of that can effectively screen for underage participation. You know kids are quite clever when it comes to using digital technologies. If a reasonably clever kid want to see online porn or do a little online gambling I don't see how sites can effectively keep them out. I'm sure those sites have some "due diligence" protocols set up...kids will be kids...right?

when I was a kid, porn was available on regular magazine racks. We would occasionally look at it and laugh. It meant nothing to us as prepubescent kids. It did no harm, for the few moments we considered it prior to being sexually active(ated)

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Reading everyone's posts makes me wonder... why does "My body, My choice" never seem to apply to jobs like this?

ktpinto Level 7 July 7, 2020

Depends who you ask. In my opinion, it does.

One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

Probably because no one would like for their own daughter or sister...to be in a position (no pun intended) where "sex working" is how she pays her way in life.

Your body, your choice. The question is not whether or not you have a legal right to do with your body what you want but whether or not having fake sexual relationships is healthy for individuals or society. Paying for sex and paying for attention means that these things can be bought and therefore lessens their value. It is only those things which can't be bought: actual love, actual friendship that have any value in this world.

@ThomasinaPaine "Fake sexual relationships"? Why can't one be exclusive of the other? Sexual gratification is healthy and stress-relieving. Relationships don't have to be a part of it at all, besides as a financial relationship. As I've said before... it's a form of sales.
I also don't understand the concept of things can be bought and lessens their value. Doesn't seem to be true of jewels, cars, homes, art... Being bought at a DISCOUNT lessens their value. Being high priced and of high quality doesn't lessen the value at all. You pay more to listen to a better musician, read a better author, see a better play.. why would this be any different?
And again, this has nothing to do with actual love or actual friendship. Your first mistake is confusing and combining the two.

@iThink : Well, that's the fault of society. There is a big difference between being a prostitute and being a courtesan. Sex in the U.S. is considered dirty, vulgar, dark...
I've been interested in adult entertainment since I did a report for school about the history of prostitution. It's a skewed world we live in where something that releases endorphins, lowers stress, and is basically a form of exercise and makes people feel good about themselves and comfortable with their sexuality is considered bad...

@ktpinto Two consenting adults of either sex or same sex...should be free to do anything they care to do and if there is an exchange of money for the services rendered it's nobody elses business. But you know as well as anyone else that you drive through and around certain areas of cities - all over the world and not just in USA - you will see the proverbial "street walkers" and it is NOT a pretty sight to see. I do not agree that that is the fault of greater societies. The problem is multi tiered and very complex but you can't just lay that at the feet of "greater society".
IMHO legalization of prostitution along with well thought out and implemented regulations of prostitution would help those poor souls walking the streets and back alleys selling their bodies.
Having said all that I will point out again - nobody that I know would be happy to say anything like - "my daughter/wife/sister/mom/brother/son...made $150 thousand dollars last year doing "sex work"...
I venture to guess/presume you would not like to find out that your family member was making their living in that manner.

@iThink It's probably not best to assume. I am a professional Intimacy Specialist, with certifications as a relationship coach, love consultant and specialist. I worked three years at an adult store; I review adult toys on line. I go to conventions along the east coast to be an expert on adult themed panels. I write erotica. I was a webcam girl. My family and friends know all this and have supported me every step of the way. The part they aren't happy about is that I'm NOT making $150k a year...
And I can make it a LITTLE bit about society, since Nevada has the Bunny Ranch and that seems to be doing quite well. Making into a legal courtesan business would change things from street walkers to social elite... with variations in between, of course. Every version of business has variations.

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Jill jilling off while reading 50 Shades is no different to Jack jacking while watching fake promiscuity. I'd suggest the government systems encouraging idleness are more of a problem.

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I think it's bad for men and the women. The men get a false sense of what woman are really like. The girls (who I don't feel bad for) have no skills, and age out of this.

@scotirishviet I totally agree. I don't see how this is good for society at all.

I think it's bad all around. To substitute the passion that only exists when two people are together in the dark, naked and full of desire with a computer screen and your hand is just a sad indictment of modern society.

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Although I applaud the girls for being Capitalists, and I can't tell them not to get naked in front of a camera (that is their right, as long as it is legal in their state), I do think it is a net harm to society. Sex addiction is just as real as gambling, drugs, or any other addiction. These are not free sites, offering free porn. They can easily add up to a lot of money, the same as gambling addictions. It may be a way for introverts to fulfill their fantasies, but any sexual acts performed will still be one-sided and empty.

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All commerce, even if we don't like it, is a benefit to society. All commerce creates ancillary jobs and industries. No central authority can predict all the benefits of any particular type of commerce. The equations are too complex--even for experts. So I'm not voting with the "herd" here.

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A net benefit to society... FOR SURE...

Webula Level 2 July 7, 2020
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The over sexualization of society has us on a track to a Sodom & Gamorrah society. No thanks!!

@therealalyz based on your profile pic clearly you don’t need cam girls. Keepin’ it real baby!

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Stupid question. Any activity is acceptable if it does not harm or hamper the freedom of other individuals.

But that's the question... Does this actually cause harm to society? Does psychological harm harm or hamper freedom?

Not saying it should be banned or censored - We've had enough of that. But shouldn't individuals avoid things which prey upon our natural drives and ultimately twist them?

@Tycho Who's to say what qualifies as "twisting" natural drives. Bertrand Russel had a few things to say on that topicl
[nobelprize.org]

@pbuck0145 Meh... Don't really care what Russel had to say. We know there is sex addiction, some cases so awful men can't perform with real women.

I'm sure you've watched porn movies. How many times have you watched the same one? Twice? Three times? There always has to be new thrills. It's in some ways very similar to drugs - you develop a tolerance.

Again, I'm not saying it should be banned or anything like that. But people should be more careful about what they fill their minds with.

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I've been thinking about this one for a bit before commenting... I consider myself conservative and, recognizing that I probably have a degree of ignorance on the subject (I actually don't know everything about everything 🙂 ), my gut says net harm.

The other issue I read about in other people's comments is whether it should be legal. Regarding civil liberties, I believe my views are classical libertarian. There are some measures in place to protect kids, and I do think reasonable measures should be taken, but realistically, that responsibility falls to parents above anyone else.

@RobBlair mentioned a link between obsessive interest in porn and divorce and @WorldSigh mentioned addiction, which is absolutely a relevant issue that does harm society. I think both of these are connected, because the relationship issues that lead to said divorces will often involve addiction. There are people with a predisposition toward addiction (whether by nature or nurture), and these people often seek alternatives if they are having difficulty getting their fix in their primary addiction, so banning things isn't necessarily a simple solution to that. Also, addicts who are not getting help and are not getting their fix either can sometimes do greater harm than addicts who are getting their fix, and they absolutely do suffer more themselves. In saying that, I'm not advocating for any kind of legal reform, I'm advocating for people to get help, which addicts are more likely to accept when faced with consequences, such as trouble with the law and/or relationship issues.

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