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Are camgirls a net benefit or harm to society?

Pay-per-minute or tip-based erotic cam shows have become a multi-billion dollar industry in the last 20 years with over 60,000 independent or studio models (note: about 30% are men/trans) currently employed worldwide. While top models make $25,000 or more per month, most make less than $1,000 depending on hours and their relative sex appeal (meritocracy). The camgirl business is also up 25% with many people forced home due to Covid restrictions and having time, and other things, on their hands.

While there are financial and safety benefits for cam models, the work is emotionally demanding and has downsides for both the models and society at large. What do you think?

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I think people should be free to make their own choices. At least its safer than prostitution. Because no one wants syphilis I'm assuming.

Lilu Level 5 July 26, 2020

legalized and regulated prostitution will all but eliminate the risks of STDs in the business of prostitution.
The prostitutes would be required to have regular pelvic examination and testing and then issued a permit before they can "work" again. Miss your appointment and your permit will void pending compliance.

@iThink I can see the potential benefits of legalized and regulated prostitution but just because there are rules doesn't mean they can't be circumvented. The opportunity to make a lot more money by breaking the rules and exploiting loopholes will still exist as long as the benefit outweighs the risk. Losing a permit won't stop them from working. They'll continue doing what they were doing with a permit, without one.

@Lilu in order to remain compliant each "worker" would have to show up for their scheduled appointments. If they don't show then they are subject to be contacted by a social worker with some level of authority to determine if indeed she/he has been "working" and then to pay a fine and or do jail time.
You "regulate" the business by regulating to prostitutes. Working without a valid permit would carry high enough penalty as to discourage working off the grid as it were.
Anyone found out to have been or to be actively working off grid would also be subject to the same fines and jail time.
It's really for their own protection and "better" being (as opposed to "well" being) to work legally.

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It provides a relief valve. But there is no in the champagne room at the strip club.... So I have been told.

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Like anything else, there can be benefits and evils associated with it.

I think anytime an individual liberty is involved - and cam girls certainly are exercising such - that whatever harm that does exist it does is in the observer rather than the actor. In other words, the cam girl is getting a net benefit as is their customers while it is outsiders to that transaction that are claiming 'harm'. And yes, that applies to porn and prostitution too.

Should we try to mitigate that harm by infringing upon someone's liberty? I can't, and won't, justify doing so even if it appears (or is in fact) beneficial to society to do so. Society (the tyranny of the majority) can and often is an insidious evil.

It is neither a net harm or net benefit to society - it is a benefit to those whose liberty is not infringed.

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This shit is a Cancer to society, obviously. It's a testament to how powerful the spells are that so much moral depravity passes for being morally progressive.

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While I see no benefit, I do not have the right to intervene in free commerce between willing parties. And while I do believe that the virtual peep shows have been over hyped by the worst actors of non free speech social media, they have the same rights in an open public forum that myself and others should have but are often deprived of. Because of this, opposing views that explain the potentially negative effects are under represented. That I do have a problem with.

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While I see no benefit, I do not have the right to intervene in free commerce between willing parties. And while I do believe that the virtual peep shows have been over hyped by the worst actors of non free speech social media, they have the same rights in an open public forum that myself and others should have but are often deprived of. Because of this, opposing views that explain the potentially negative effects are under represented. That I do have a problem with.

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It has both beneficial and detrimental affects to society, all of which I am sure are covered by other comments. I believe in freedom and liberty, so I don't believe in banning or restricting this practice. I think that change should begin through cultural values, in society and the family.

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This is a really tricky issue. While it does promote a relatively easy way for individuals to generate income and for others to relieve stress, it does also encourage this idea of on demand pleasure. I think it has helped some people get through hard times financially, but I also think it's spread this false narrative of general empowerment and glamor. That isn't always the case and it isn't always the right move for someone to make.

An addiction to the system can happen on both sides - the performer addicted to the attention and the consumer being addicted to the consumption. This can be dangerous, so I think that anyone involved needs to be very careful and hyper aware of all the potential consequences - depression, anxiety, addiction to the attention, coercion from consumers, harassment, doxxing, etc. Likewise, consumers of this type of entertainment are at risk of addiction, similar to gambling - financial hardship, difficulty forming relationships, psychological issues, etc.

Ultimately, I believe in free agency and allowing people to make their own choices. So, while it does present issues, I believe it should be treated and regulated similarly to something like gambling. Give people free agency, but they also need to be encouraged to handle everything responsibly. Most people don't take addiction to social media and/or pornography seriously, but we see this on the side of the content providers, as well as the consumers on a regular basis.

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After reading all these comments, I need to go take a cold shower......

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Most of the time I like camgirls, I think the phenomenon is harmless and entertaining. Apart from the fact that at a camgirl is a waste of time because it leads to no real personal benefit, I am not harmed by the activities of a camgirl. I don't know what is to be regarded as an 'interest of society'. Why would an abstraction called 'society' be an agent with interests that can be harmed? Only Gods Will can represent the collective interest of humans. I know God dislikes perversion and of course showing off sexuality outside marriage is perverse. These girls are better off, happier and living a more fulfilling life, if they obey God and find some other way to earn money or amuse people.

Corjova Level 6 July 8, 2020

@MaskedRiderChris The notion that sex is only for procreation is a fallacy. That's one of its purposes, of course, but the other is for enjoyment within the bounds of a monogamous relationship, where it has an amazing ability to draw a couple together, forge a deep attachment, and even heal emotional wounds (make up sex, anyone?).

Sex most definitely has a God-given purpose for those who can't have children, or who choose to remain childless.

@Thaw The human sex drive is biological, but the purpose is for more than procreation. For most animals your statement is true (I've heard dolphins sometimes have sex just for pleasure), but with humans, the purpose of sex is multifaceted. We're more than biological machines pre-programmed for certain functions.

@Thaw Nope...not going to buy that. We'll disagree on that indefinitely.

@coalburned I'm curious, what information are you using to draw the conclusion that the biological drive to have sex isn't purely to encourage procreation?

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Reading through many comments that , while obviously mean well . Are seriously considering taken away someone's agency to freely make a living & fill a seemingly large demand..
If cams girls succed in satisfying just one potential sexual abuser. Because he's slapped himself silly , so can't be botherd to harm anyone now. They deserve a yay..
As far as " what if she's only 12 ". .Where are her parent's. ? Plus if it's off the kids own free will . She was obviously going to be a slut anyway.

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I won't be told what to do with my body ,life and freedoms and I have no right to tell others what to do with their's.

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I can't wrap my head around people that think something could possibly be good as long as its making cash. This has to be the worst indicator yet people use it all the time. Wars make money too, are those good?

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I’m a free market capitalist. If someone wants to sell their body, so be it. Who are we to tell them what they can and can’t do.

ZyThum Level 4 July 8, 2020

@Thaw Hmm. What if there were laws against exploiting children?

@Thaw Are we all to be the keepers of our neighbor's morality? Whatever people do in private, as long as they're not doing anything to harm others, is their own personal business.

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Imagine having sex with a woman that adores you. She respects you and will back you up. That’s not a cam girl.

Imagine finding a woman who will actually do those things these days ... they are a rare commodity.

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Net Harm. I am all for freedom to do what you want, but online porn sets up people for an unrealistic view of human sexuality.

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I drank too much coffee last night and so, as I was thinking about this question, I went ahead and read all the preceding comments. Wow. The sheer diversity and scope of the answers suggests to me that the question was not the one that most wanted to answer. Or that needed answering. So instead of trying to lash my impressions into a neat little argument, I’ll toss out my own set of diverse reactions to the topic I want to deal with.

The elephant in the room that no one wants to address is the male sex drive.

There—I said it. It exists, it’s not just a fact of life, it’s a force of nature. I lived in Florida for most of my youth, and every other year or so a hurricane would blow through and mess things up. More recently, in Dallas, I live a block and a half from the path taken by the tornado last October. Here’s what I know about a force of nature: you don’t have opinions about it; you prepare yourself for the encounter.

In this country, in particular, we have never been able to do that about the reality of men and their balls. Instead, we behave as though our opinions are facts and we work mightily to translate them into real-world results. And so, instead of simply recognizing that men are driven by sex in a way and to a degree that women are not, we pretend we can wish it away.

The time-worn “It’s a SIN!!” approach still holds a lot of power, although in this secular age it is more likely to be repurposed into “It’s a crime.” But at least those two responses acknowledge that it exists. Modern feminism has taken things much further by rejecting that notion outright, declaring the male sex drive, and men for that matter, to merely be a “social construct,” an inevitable by product of the patriarchy and thus in need of social engineering to remove all traces from the culture. But all three approaches agree in one respect: it’s a choice, they say, a bad choice at that, and our job is to remove that choice as an option.

It’s not a choice, it’s not a construct, it’s a product of evolution and owes nothing to gender identity. The truth is simple—BALLS MAKE YOU CRAZY. They don’t make you a rapist, but they do create an overwhelming drive. And from the moment our species began organizing ourselves into communities that required stable social structures, there has been an industry to address that need. It really is the oldest profession.

Ever has it been thus, evermore shall it be, opinions to the contrary notwithstanding. So I say leave the poor cam girls alone. There may be relevant issues to explore, such as the nature of the industry behind them, or the sex industry as a whole. But before you venture onto that bed of quicksand, drop your efforts at authoritarian control. Stop trying to tame the whirlwind. Check your opinions and assumptions. You want social constructs? That’s where you’ll find them,

Thanks @edgework for calling out the elephant. I just read a thread in another group claiming gender differences are “societal constructs”. 😂😂😂 What a load of crap.

Men and women are different right down to the biological level - and sex drive is the biggest difference of all. Woke-progressives refuse to acknowledge it, but there it is, looking right at us. Women can bear about one offspring a year, but how many offspring can a man create in 12 months? Get out the calculator. Men are biologically built to spread their genes.

Men view and approach sex completely differently from women, and that’s been true long before societies were “constructing” anything.

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People should make their own decisions and be accountable for their own actions. Camgirls, booze, cigarettes, sugar, lethargy, overeating, all of these things are bad for you if they are abused. Choose to be in balance or choose to binge. Your choice.

Would I want my daughter or anyone in my family to be a camgirl? NO

Tarpon Level 7 July 8, 2020
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Definitely harmful, it has completely devalued sex and individual worth. It’s harmful for men as instant gratification has lowered willingness to work hard and strive to be better in life as well has lowered their overall view of women in general, but most of all promiscuity and excessive openness with ones body has been devastatingly harmful for women. It has destroyed their ability to maintain long lasting intimate relationships and has made them shallow and vain, constantly concerned with getting attention and approval in the most superficial ways, and willing to do anything and lessen themselves to any level to get it. Western culture has been ruined by this sort of behavior and, to be honest, I am no longer willing to date in this culture. If I ever find a wife it will be from another area of the world but likely never will, as it has become apparent that through technology the pathologies of the West are rapidly spreading and I see no benefit in partaking.

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Is it possible that it benefits and harms society at the same time? Could it be that porn is not inherently bad but lack of moderation is what is bad?

I can only speak for myself but as a young man, I was never into cam girls but more so regular porn films. From my teenage years and now that I'm 35, I've seen a transformation in pornography. The reach to have more and more shocking material has desensitized the masses and made taboo normal. As a teen, anal scenes were very few and now it's basically mandatory.

I think it is very complex to put a measurement of benefit, it just exists. The selling of sex will happen no matter what. I think the problem is that we are not honest with people on both sides. I've watched documentaries about porn and a common statement is that they didn't realize the negative stigma that will be placed on them, the shame that they would feel. I think anyone entering this field should be well aware of the negative stereotypes and views that they could face. I'm all for freedom to do whatever you want but you should be educated on the matter. I'm also for educating people on the potential dangers of too much porn and unrealistic relationships.

I think we live in a society that loves using womens body to entice men but we also have women that know this and use it to their benefit. Forget porn for a second, there are numerous women on twitch that don't take their clothes off but they levy the emotions of men needing attachment and their attractiveness to get money from them. They promote unhealthy male and female behavior. They are also promoting unhealthy male to female interactions.

Whether it is a benefit or not is only important if it effects you or people you know. Cam girls have never been my thing and even friends that I know that watch porn but for some it is. I don't know any current or previous cam girls. It's neither a benefit or negative for me as it doesn't clash with my life.

Some women actually enjoy being in the sex industry, I'm more concerned with the ones that don't enjoy it but feel that they have to be in.

We don't ask if the pharmaceutical industry is a net benefit or negative because it could be both. Drugs save peoples lives and also kills people. It exists because it is a necessity for some people. Porn of various types could be seen as necessary for both the porn creators and porn viewers. My issue is always with people on both sides going to the extreme on their content being created and the amount of content they view.

I think just like drugs, porn is way too addictive especially to a younger brain. I've been abstinent of porn for months but I was able to do it because I have regular sex with my partner. I don't feel a need to go back to it as I've been disgusted with the state of porn these days. It's way too rape-like, not sensual whatsoever and it's way more objectified than it was years ago. People are categories now and they throw them away left and right. While I personally find it to be on the edge of a net negative, I do understand that this is personal to me but it may be a positive for someone else for various reasons.

Makes a lot of sense @BlackoutNJ - there’s good and bad in everything, and in a free society we get to decide for ourselves. Do I object to camming? No. Would I want my sisters to do it? Again, no.

@GeeMac Exactly. It's not that simple to just give it a plain yes or no. I also don't know the benefits of a pornless society...a quick google search shows Iran and Saudi Arabia as examples.

@BlackoutNJ also bang on. Many people are commenting on the “evils” of porn. But, yeah, let’s talk about those closed societies where porn is suppressed. Those are the areas where real misogyny reigns.

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The problem for men is it distracts from seeking the real thing in relationships, it gives them false ideas about women and visa versa, the other problem for women is the lack of awareness the impact will have on their reputation .

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Having a job like this when you are young used to prevent you from getting a real job after you grow up.

Stormy Daniels made it OK. Prostitution is becoming legal as women are not really charged with prostitution anymore. They are 'victims of human trafficking.'

RAZE Level 7 July 8, 2020
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In my opinion it's fine as long as the people partaking are doing so of their own free will and are clean of hard drug use. I do think there should be help with those that want to get out of the industry with counselling and education. I think there needs to be safe places for them as well when working.

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If one's ill mind can't come to terms with the body it resides in, don't butcher the body to match the mind. Help the mind to accept reality.

Lt-JW Level 8 July 8, 2020

What does this have to do with the question at hand?

@JacksonNought
Obviously, nothing. But it’s funny so I give it a pass.

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Since I’ve never understood the concept of “looking” being sexually stimulating I don’t really get the purpose of “camgirls” since I’ve never seen any of it/them.
I never bought magazines either though I’ve looked through plenty of those.
Personally, I find the female form ... youthful, healthy and in shape ... to be quite appealing to look at but almost more as a living, breathing statue. Pleasing to the eye but I’ve never moved past that to thinking about them in relation to sex.
I like high end lingerie or strip clubs because I find the beauty ... the form ... to be pleasing, relaxing and there are pretty strict rules about touching that make for a pretty sharp line of separation ... although in nude clubs, the performers seem intent on believing the patrons are there simply to perform gynecological exams so they’re a bit off-putting.
One of the advantages of these places is there is no tension created by the potential to meet one’s next partner / girlfriend / mate.
Honestly, though I haven’t seen any, I can’t see them as being negative as long as both parties are willing participants.
In this World I have been living in, most males have forgotten what it is to be a man and most females have forgotten what it is to be a woman ... especially “American” females.
Instead of sex, procreation, marriage and family being a complimentary dance of life and harmony, it has become some odd power struggle and discord.
Since neither gender is interested in tending to the needs and desires of the other, is there any reason to think it odd that both will look to outside sources to fantasize about?
How can it be that things like “camgirls” are any threat if the relationships are healthy and well tended?
I think that people who view such things as negatives probably have every right to do so but are more likely recognizing their own shortfalls ... shortcomings.

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